RRR Rant

[kdailey4315]

Beware: Ranting bitchfest ahead.

Where the hell does this sense of entitlement come from for people busting Razor Rookie Retro? The amount of people pissed off because they didn't make their money back is sickening. Aside from 2010 Bowman with the Heyward and Stras show me one product that has the ROI that RRR boast. Why are people expecting to make money on busting this wax. Don't get me wrong I'm very excited about this product but these people bitching about it it out of control. News flash: busting wax is a gamble and RRR is no different.

Ranting bitchfest over.

 

[Casebusters]

Beware: Ranting bitchfest ahead.

Where the hell does this sense of entitlement come from for people busting Razor Rookie Retro? The amount of people pissed off because they didn't make their money back is sickening. Aside from 2010 Bowman with the Heyward and Stras show me one product that has the ROI that RRR boast. Why are people expecting to make money on busting this wax. Don't get me wrong I'm very excited about this product but these people bitching about it it out of control. News flash: busting wax is a gamble and RRR is no different.

Ranting bitchfest over.

+1.5

 

[Pine Tar]

I say thing this everytime anyone breaks any thing. All you here is "hey I bought this and now I'm not going to make my money back. What? Are you supposed to buy a product and make you money back? I thought this was a hobby and not an business. OH wait now it is a business. Seems most people bust only to see if they can get the chase card, and also see how much then can make on what they maybe should not have spent in the first place.

I have enjoyed this hobby for over 20 years, and I have only busted 2 cases in my life, and each time I did I never once thought I would, even come close to getting more from the case I paid for. IF you think this you never should bust a case. I have also busted a few hundred boxes and have been able to get some very nice cards out of those and frankly even then did I not aspect much. I bust because I like to bust the products, don;t get me wrong I have sold a lot of my hits too, but I don't go in to opening anything, without thinking can I afford to do this?!

 

[Messier2]

It's all about your mentality when you are buying this product. When I bought my one measly box...I had in my mind that I am UNLIKELY to make any money back and that if I do, great, but if I don't, at least I got to bust a "high end" product and enjoyed the GAMBLE of maybe pulling something great.

In the end, I didn't pull anything great but still I had fun and no regrets dumping $$$ into a box.

Unfortunately, many do not feel this way! ::facepalm::

Or, maybe it's because BG is so accessible that people tend to rant and rave when they pull crap to "let him see"...rather than other products where the chairman of the company is not on FCB the majority of the day....that could be it too.

 

[Ty Hope]

Couldnt agree more. I dont understand all the Razor hate. I hated on UD all the time due to their late redemptions, etc., but Razor / Leaf has been awesome to me. Products are still coming along, but getting there IMO.

As for people bitching and moaning about value, this will never end. It is pathetic, but at the end of the day this is just gambling anyway. Some people dont get it.

 

[cmixer]

i'll take "lesser value" over "bad customer service" and bad-redemptions any day.

 

[All The Hype]

This product is for people who want to gamble for a big hit. If you don't hit one of the monster cards from this product, you will almost certainly lose money. It's that simple. If I had to guess, you have about a 5% chance of making your money back or better, which means that about 95% of the cases will leave you with a loss.

I don't understand people's bitching either. It's as simple as I have just said...like all wax. The only difference here is that there are fewer cards that will make you your money back (because it's basically 6 cards for $1200), but you will also end up with a few nice rookies even if you take a loss overall.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

This particular product seems open to more griping simply because it has a single card (forgetting about the Razor stuff) in a slab, the value for which can be immediately checked/calculated. Unlike a pack that contains any number of base cards of players from different teams, as well as possible inserts and chase cards, this product was clearly designed for the gamble and the sheer thrill of the rip. That makes people feel the financial pain more. I mean, are people busting this because they collect rookie slabs from all four sports and are hunting for PC? I thinks not.

That being said, this was well known before the product shipped. So many people were openly drooling over the checklist when it was released, probably because they only spotted the better stuff on it and convinced (deluded) themselves that they would hit those cards in their cases.

 

[SportsCardMojo]

I can tell you this, I'd rather gamble buying a case of RRR, and get some cool cards, rather than gamble and get junk. I spend $160 on 2 boxes of 2010 Topps football and Autos of 3rd string players. Likewise, I spend $220 per box on RRR and the worse card I got was 85 Kirby Puckett RC PSA 9.5.

I say that's a better ROI...no?

Or how about before Strasburg got hurt. I bought a box of 2010 Bowman Baseball for a price I wasn't happy about ($325), but at the time, I really wanted to open a box. I pulled Heyward Chrome Auto, Ackley Refractor Auto, Anthony Rizzo Auto and Carlos Santana Futures Jersey. Pretty good pulls, but it didn't cover the price of the box. Am I happy with the box. Hell yeah.

Anyway, I agree, you almost never make up the price of a box unless you get that big hit...which is more rare than common...otherwise everyone would be doing it. Let's not forget the early Allen & Ginter. I read somewhere that brentandbecca opened a crapload of Ginter without pulling one Strasburg.

RRR is nothing new in terms of odds. But as most people say, at least you get recognizable rookies vs unknowns or people that never make it to the bigs. I'll take those odds anyday. Not to mention, you have a chance to pull some of the biggest cards in the hobby right now at a fraction of what it would have cost you to buy it on the open market. Jordan RC?!?!?! That's insane!!!

 

[insdeck09]

while i agree with everyone on here...and the fact that RRR is new type of product, which i give razor all credit for...there is 1 glaring misconception...not everyone is pay $1200 per case (blowout cards pricing)...some people are going to a brick and mortar store and paying a lot more...i have friend that owns a store...he gets from a distributor instead of direct..which is 7% more...then he has to add taxes which in NJ is another 7% and then his profit...in the end?? case pricing is now $1600+

i did one case thru him and while i was told i got good value, about 1000....@1600 per case, that's a tough break...still better then other cases though...and i'm not complaining...i just wish everyone would understand that not everyone is breaking blowout cases...and while breaking is a gamble...no one like to lose...i think that is why you see all the complaining....

 

[ffgameman]

Beware: Ranting bitchfest ahead.

Where the hell does this sense of entitlement come from for people busting Razor Rookie Retro? The amount of people pissed off because they didn't make their money back is sickening. Aside from 2010 Bowman with the Heyward and Stras show me one product that has the ROI that RRR boast. Why are people expecting to make money on busting this wax. Don't get me wrong I'm very excited about this product but these people bitching about it it out of control. News flash: busting wax is a gamble and RRR is no different.

Ranting bitchfest over.

AGREED!

In reality except for Bowman and Bowman Draft products....how often do we expect to even break even?

 

[rico08]

From another thread:

I've never seen another product where more people felt compelled (or comfortable) to say "worst break ever." People, comparative with other products, the ROI I'm seeing on these RRR cases aren't shabby.

I'd rather open RRR than: T-206, Tribute, Triple Threads, Allen & Ginter, Finest, Heritage, Chicle, or anything Tristar.

 

[jeff152380]

I have watched all the post on Rookie Retro and I think people need to realize this product is GREAT for the card market PERIOD! You all should hope for a rookie retro 2! All these cards were bought from people online and at shows..... from all of you and others in the hobby.. this wasn't a product made in a factory..lots of money was pumped into the hobby to make this product. Talk this stuff up and hope for more.... If you go to Casino you don't win every time, but somebody always does!!! Just Like wax... Many will luck out in this product, but its a gamble you have to accept if you lose money .... You cant win the lottery if you dont buy a ticket! Get a box and give it a try!

 

[coltsnsox07]

I've opened alot of Legends of the Diamond and now RRR and have alot of really nice high grade vintage(some of my cards that didn't get back the pack price were a '39 Play Ball Manush PSA 7 and a '55 Bowman Early Wynn auto...... much better than the event worn jersey autos of M. Massaquoi and Pat White and 1 color patch of Matt Forte I got from a $400 box of Exquisite, and of course were talking discretinary income.

 

[piggy1918]

Agreed.

 

[bigeric]

I agree you can't expect to get your money back in every box and have a chance to get a 20K dollar cards

 

[schmidtfan20]

Maybe its because this product was so expensive. You sort of feel like they owe you something more than the usual because you are putting up a big amount of money. I think this product was hyped up a bit too much and that the partial checklist that was put up was a bit misleading. I have only seen maybe one box that was huge, even a great box made you only
300 bucks over with most boxes losing you hundreds. That really isn't that great.

The bottom line still is, you roll the dice be prepared. I persoanlly don't consider a product
that cost 250+ a pack fun, at that point its business.

Kevin

 

[Dice-K Collector]

Agreed 100%

 

[justinmandawg]

while i agree with everyone on here...and the fact that RRR is new type of product, which i give razor all credit for...there is 1 glaring misconception...not everyone is pay $1200 per case (blowout cards pricing)...some people are going to a brick and mortar store and paying a lot more...i have friend that owns a store...he gets from a distributor instead of direct..which is 7% more...then he has to add taxes which in NJ is another 7% and then his profit...in the end?? case pricing is now $1600+

i did one case thru him and while i was told i got good value, about 1000....@1600 per case, that's a tough break...still better then other cases though...and i'm not complaining...i just wish everyone would understand that not everyone is breaking blowout cases...and while breaking is a gamble...no one like to lose...i think that is why you see all the complaining....

Not to argue w/ you but: He could have purchased direct from Razor for the 1200 if he had called them or emailed before it sold out. Also he doesn't have to pay taxes, his customers pay taxes. A business never pays taxes it's their customers that do when the pricing is made w/ the idea that the do pay the sales tax. So he could have easily paid 1200 w/ no tax on the purchase and only charged your state's sales tax.

 

[pac213up]

Where the hell does this sense of entitlement come from for people busting Razor Rookie Retro? The amount of people pissed off because they didn't make their money back is sickening. Aside from 2010 Bowman with the Heyward and Stras show me one product that has the ROI that RRR boast.
Ranting bitchfest over.

Not that I disagree with your point but there are several products that have a positive ROI every year if you break multiple cases.