S.I. The Last Iconic Baseball Card: '89 UD Griffey

[sportscardtheory]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

 

[Exposfan]

I apologize as I did not read the whole article or thread but how is 2001 Bowman Chrome Albert Pujols not Iconic?

 

[predatorkj]

I apologize as I did not read the whole article or thread but how is 2001 Bowman Chrome Albert Pujols not Iconic?

Do you own one?Do you know of people who don't collect that could recognize that card?

 

[predatorkj]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

Look...none of us get anything out of arguing with you.But a lot of your opinions go against the grain.Now you have two choices.Either state a well presented reason why you believe what you do or you can expect people to not agree with you and this will happen on and outside of the board as well.I think you may have reasons to believe what you do but tell us.Explain them.

 

[Mozzie22]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I never once directed a post at you until you made it personal about me. My opinion turned me into a "hate spewing crotchety old timer" according to you. You actually personify what is wrong with this hobby.

So here is your chance, all name calling and whining aside lets hear why you think kids have it so much better today.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

Look...none of us get anything out of arguing with you.But a lot of your opinions go against the grain.Now you have two choices.Either state a well presented reason why you believe what you do or you can expect people to not agree with you and this will happen on and outside of the board as well.I think you may have reasons to believe what you do but tell us.Explain them.

I already have, many times. I'm not typing it all again, it's in this thread for all to see. I already told you that I agree kids are not as into the hobby as when I was a kid. But when a grown man tries to tell me the kids that ARE into the hobby don't enjoy it as much as he did when he was young, it's absolutely ludicrous. You can't tell me what other human beings feel, I think that's pretty obvious. Talk to any kid that collects cards and ask them if they enjoy it... of course they do, why would they be doing it if they didn't. I don't need grown men on a message board trying to tell me what goes on inside the heads of children... it's just stupid.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I never once directed a post at you until you made it personal about me. My opinion turned me into a "hate spewing crotchety old timer" according to you. You actually personify what is wrong with this hobby.

So here is your chance, all name calling and whining aside lets hear why you think kids have it so much better today.

You called me delusional, I called you crotchety, not the other way around. Go back and read my posts, I'm not typing it all again.

 

[predatorkj]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

Look...none of us get anything out of arguing with you.But a lot of your opinions go against the grain.Now you have two choices.Either state a well presented reason why you believe what you do or you can expect people to not agree with you and this will happen on and outside of the board as well.I think you may have reasons to believe what you do but tell us.Explain them.

I already have, many times. I'm not typing it all again, it's in this thread for all to see. I already told you that I agree kids are not as into the hobby as when I was a kid. But when a grown man tries to tell me the kids that ARE into the hobby don't enjoy it as much as he did when he was young, it's absolutely ludicrous. You can't tell me what other human beings feel, I think that's pretty obvious. Talk to any kid that collects cards and ask them if they enjoy it... of course they do, why would they be doing it if they didn't. I don't need grown men on a message board trying to tell me what goes on inside the heads of children... it's just stupid.

Okay point noted but don't you think your getting a little too technical there?I mean of course nobody knows how to read minds but we have made some pretty valid points as to why a child would not have as much fun collecting these days as they did back in the 80's and 90's.I made, what I thought , was a good stated point.You skip over it?

 

[sportscardtheory]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I never once directed a post at you until you made it personal about me. My opinion turned me into a "hate spewing crotchety old timer" according to you. You actually personify what is wrong with this hobby.

So here is your chance, all name calling and whining aside lets hear why you think kids have it so much better today.

WOW, you are such a freaking tool. I am sticking up for kids in the hobby and saying I think they have it pretty well compared to when I was young... and I'M what's wrong with the hobby??? Look in the mirror, buddy.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

IBL

 

[Mozzie22]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

Look...none of us get anything out of arguing with you.But a lot of your opinions go against the grain.Now you have two choices.Either state a well presented reason why you believe what you do or you can expect people to not agree with you and this will happen on and outside of the board as well.I think you may have reasons to believe what you do but tell us.Explain them.

I already have, many times. I'm not typing it all again, it's in this thread for all to see. I already told you that I agree kids are not as into the hobby as when I was a kid. But when a grown man tries to tell me the kids that ARE into the hobby don't enjoy it as much as he did when he was young, it's absolutely ludicrous. You can't tell me what other human beings feel, I think that's pretty obvious. Talk to any kid that collects cards and ask them if they enjoy it... of course they do, why would they be doing it if they didn't. I don't need grown men on a message board trying to tell me what goes on inside the heads of children... it's just stupid.

Who said that kids that collect don't enjoy it? What was said is there aren't as many kids doing it. And, as a matter of point kids today can't enjoy it as much because they can't afford to. When someone states that, "Kids can't enjoy the hobby today" they aren't referring to individuals, they are referring to kids collectively.

It is obvious that we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. I'll have to side on the correct way of thinking and you can side on, well, which ever.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

Look...none of us get anything out of arguing with you.But a lot of your opinions go against the grain.Now you have two choices.Either state a well presented reason why you believe what you do or you can expect people to not agree with you and this will happen on and outside of the board as well.I think you may have reasons to believe what you do but tell us.Explain them.

I already have, many times. I'm not typing it all again, it's in this thread for all to see. I already told you that I agree kids are not as into the hobby as when I was a kid. But when a grown man tries to tell me the kids that ARE into the hobby don't enjoy it as much as he did when he was young, it's absolutely ludicrous. You can't tell me what other human beings feel, I think that's pretty obvious. Talk to any kid that collects cards and ask them if they enjoy it... of course they do, why would they be doing it if they didn't. I don't need grown men on a message board trying to tell me what goes on inside the heads of children... it's just stupid.

Okay point noted but don't you think your getting a little too technical there?I mean of course nobody knows how to read minds but we have made some pretty valid points as to why a child would not have as much fun collecting these days as they did back in the 80's and 90's.I made, what I thought , was a good stated point.You skip over it?

I'm a very literal person, if you don't know that by now after numerous discussions, I don't know what to tell you. It's just how I am. I will admit when I am proven wrong, but no one here is giving any hard evidence other than they don't see many kids in card shops. You aren't in the card shop 24/7. I saw NUMEROUS kids at the National. Talk to any kid who collects and they will tell you they love it. Enough said. It's not some epidemic of kids not collecting is all I'm saying.

 

[predatorkj]

IBL

I am trying to keep that from happening. ::facepalm::

 

[Mozzie22]

Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I never once directed a post at you until you made it personal about me. My opinion turned me into a "hate spewing crotchety old timer" according to you. You actually personify what is wrong with this hobby.

So here is your chance, all name calling and whining aside lets hear why you think kids have it so much better today.

WOW, you are such a freaking tool. I am sticking up for kids in the hobby and saying I think they have it pretty well compared to when I was young... and I'M what's wrong with the hobby??? Look in the mirror, buddy.

Yes, you are what is wrong with the hobby. What does that mean you're "sticking up for the kids in the hobby?" Is someone picking on the poor card collecting youth of our nation? You keep saying you think they have it pretty well, in fact, you say that they have it better than we did 25 years ago. The only thing you haven't said is why. Some of us have called you on it and you just say, "Well...I'm not going to repeat myself...but...aaaa..."

Come on, we wait anxiously to hear why the hobby is so much better for today's youngsters than it was for us. Come on. Come on. Come on. We all wait to hear these nuggets of wisdom and insight. Let's hear why a 10 year old with $20 has it better shopping for $8 packs of cards full of steroid users. Actually, strike the steroid comment as I don't want to invite you to go off in another direction.

We wait patiently...

 

[Mozzie22]

IBL

I'm not sure what "IBL" stands for but if it means ending this pointless thread please do.

 

[sportscardtheory]

WOW, you are such a freaking tool. I am sticking up for kids in the hobby and saying I think they have it pretty well compared to when I was young... and I'M what's wrong with the hobby??? Look in the mirror, buddy.

Yes, you are what is wrong with the hobby. What does that mean you're "sticking up for the kids in the hobby?" Is someone picking on the poor card collecting youth of our nation? You keep saying you think they have it pretty well, in fact, you say that they have it better than we did 25 years ago. The only thing you haven't said is why. Some of us have called you on it and you just say, "Well...I'm not going to repeat myself...but...aaaa..."

Come on, we wait anxiously to hear why the hobby is so much better for today's youngsters than it was for us. Come on. Come on. Come on. We all wait to hear these nuggets of wisdom and insight. Let's hear why a 10 year old with $20 has it better shopping for $8 packs of cards full of steroid users. Actually, strike the steroid comment as I don't want to invite you to go off in another direction.

We wait patiently...

Listen, troll. I have stated why in this thread already. If you don't want to take the time to look, then don't. I don't need to say anything to you, I don't owe you a thing. You are simply trolling for a fight, and I am tired of stooping to you level.

 

[Mozzie22]

WOW, you are such a freaking tool. I am sticking up for kids in the hobby and saying I think they have it pretty well compared to when I was young... and I'M what's wrong with the hobby??? Look in the mirror, buddy.

Yes, you are what is wrong with the hobby. What does that mean you're "sticking up for the kids in the hobby?" Is someone picking on the poor card collecting youth of our nation? You keep saying you think they have it pretty well, in fact, you say that they have it better than we did 25 years ago. The only thing you haven't said is why. Some of us have called you on it and you just say, "Well...I'm not going to repeat myself...but...aaaa..."

Come on, we wait anxiously to hear why the hobby is so much better for today's youngsters than it was for us. Come on. Come on. Come on. We all wait to hear these nuggets of wisdom and insight. Let's hear why a 10 year old with $20 has it better shopping for $8 packs of cards full of steroid users. Actually, strike the steroid comment as I don't want to invite you to go off in another direction.

We wait patiently...

Listen, troll. I have stated why in this thread already. If you don't want to take the time to look, then don't. I don't need to say anything to you, I don't owe you a thing. You are simply trolling for a fight, and I am tired of stooping to you level.

I'm the troll, god is that funny. :lol: Lets just let this go.

 

[predatorkj]

[quote="predatorkj":1nfxl6t6]


Come on guys.


I am sure he has his own theories but I am sure, if he would just respond to what has been written, we can all at least agree its harder for a kid to feel like they belong in this hobby.And when that happens they go looking for something else.Not all kids.But most of them.

It's hard to respond to what was written when I have to waste time defending myself from childish insults from certain members who feel the need to raise hell when they disagree with me.

Look...none of us get anything out of arguing with you.But a lot of your opinions go against the grain.Now you have two choices.Either state a well presented reason why you believe what you do or you can expect people to not agree with you and this will happen on and outside of the board as well.I think you may have reasons to believe what you do but tell us.Explain them.

I already have, many times. I'm not typing it all again, it's in this thread for all to see. I already told you that I agree kids are not as into the hobby as when I was a kid. But when a grown man tries to tell me the kids that ARE into the hobby don't enjoy it as much as he did when he was young, it's absolutely ludicrous. You can't tell me what other human beings feel, I think that's pretty obvious. Talk to any kid that collects cards and ask them if they enjoy it... of course they do, why would they be doing it if they didn't. I don't need grown men on a message board trying to tell me what goes on inside the heads of children... it's just stupid.

Okay point noted but don't you think your getting a little too technical there?I mean of course nobody knows how to read minds but we have made some pretty valid points as to why a child would not have as much fun collecting these days as they did back in the 80's and 90's.I made, what I thought , was a good stated point.You skip over it?

I'm a very literal person, if you don't know that by now after numerous discussions, I don't know what to tell you. It's just how I am. I will admit when I am proven wrong, but no one here is giving any hard evidence other than they don't see many kids in card shops. You aren't in the card shop 24/7. I saw NUMEROUS kids at the National. Talk to any kid who collects and they will tell you they love it. Enough said. It's not some epidemic of kids not collecting is all I'm saying.[/quote:1nfxl6t6]


No...I am not.But my shop owner is.I have asked.Not related to anything on this board but out of my own curiosity.He estimates for every 50 people he sees he may see one kid come in(with a parent of course).Just about every person who come sin is 20+ years or older.The owner of the shop I frequent is a Beckett consultant so I would like to believe he is a reputable and important dealer in the Houston area.

Now as to whether kids can enjoy it...I stated my case that with the ever growing population of high end products and the hits being so far and few in between(at least the ones that are considered popular) that a kid has a hard time feeling truly connected to this hobby whereas a kid back in the day had the chance to own the same cards a grown man did and money was not as much of a divider of collectors.Basically back in the day anybody could build a nice collection.Now...no.Its not like that.And like I said...kids like to do whats "in" and whats "cool".Do you consider baseball cards the "in" or "cool" thing to do for kids?Because if you do...you really must not be around many of them.Its just not the thing to do anymore.Its not.Not for kids.Trust me on that.It doesn't mean some kids don't collect and it also doesn't mean they don't enjoy it.But the factor of them pulling popular or important cards is so much harder now than it was.That can make it very unfun for a lot of kids.And kids don't like something that is not fun.

Between me and the wife we have enough friends to total about 50 or so kids amongst them.Not one of them collects cards of sports or athletes.Not one.And that is counting the ones who actually like sports and their fathers who are into sports and also collect.They just aren't into it.None of them are.

 

[predatorkj]

IBL

I'm not sure what "IBL" stands for but if it means ending this pointless thread please do.

It means in before lock and I am trying to keep that from happening but if you two keep calling each other names we will get it locked.I am trying to reason with him and see why he feels this way.He may have a good point.Who knows?I certainly want to hear it but I have to agree he has yet to mention why they have it better.

 

[Mozzie22]

IBL

I'm not sure what "IBL" stands for but if it means ending this pointless thread please do.

It means in before lock and I am trying to keep that from happening but if you two keep calling each other names we will get it locked.I am trying to reason with him and see why he feels this way.He may have a good point.Who knows?I certainly want to hear it but I have to agree he has yet to mention why they have it better.

Why he feels this way? Haven't you been reading, according to him he has already stated it in his previous posts. Evidently you, me, and the rest of the board must have missed it.