Say it ain't so...Mark Grace

[roafmcloaf]

I only give a pass to fat guys...because fat people are stupid and slovenly and do not know better.

Women, too. Smaller brains.

sometimes dey penises smaller too.









(sometimes not )

 

[Vagrant]

Part of me wants to hate him, but the other part of me knows he's white. This is such a confusing feeling for me.

 

[David T.]

Wait a minute........Mark Grace is White?
David

 

[Card Magnet]

Wait a minute........Mark Grace is White?
David

Kind of. He has that same thing Sammy Sosa has.

 

[bballjunky24]

[quote="David T.":1y3k77nm]Wait a minute........Mark Grace is White?
David

Kind of. He has that same thing Sammy Sosa has.[/quote:1y3k77nm]

Isn't that what killed Michael Jackson?

 

[beefycheddar]

[quote="David T.":2hfkokmf]Wait a minute........Mark Grace is White?
David

Kind of. He has that same thing Sammy Sosa has.[/quote:2hfkokmf]

Yeah, being a Cub alumni disease.

 

[ChasHawk]

in other news...

...holy ****!! I think I just be-came a Cardinals fan... :shock:

 

[Weimer]

Cardinals! Cardinals! Cardinals!

 

[mancini79]

This board will give him a pass because he's white.

Has a point. Many here like to get cards of black people then sell and trade them.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Bad decision. No one was hurt. Big deal.

 

[bigpapiMA32]

Seems like this has been picking up pace with Choo, Kearns, Lowe, La Russa, Cabrera, and now Grace. Hopefully he can learn something from his mistake.

How people ever make the decision to drink and drive puzzles me. Maybe I just have it nailed into my head as never being an option and assume other people do too. Oh well.

 

[maxpower]

People hate the guy who killed Nick Adenhart who was driving drunk but it's ok here cause no one got hurt. Interesting.

This. Drunk driving isn't just bad when someone gets hurt. It's bad because of the potential for harm. It's like playing Russian Roulette, but pointing the gun at someone else's head. Few people who've actually lost a loved one to drunk driving would call it 'just being human'.

The race comment is idiotic. Black, white, yellow, or green, Mark Grace is a selfish, reckless POS.

 

[sportscardtheory]

If only people would get so up-in-arms about crimes that actually have victims.

 

[FortyFour]

People hate the guy who killed Nick Adenhart who was driving drunk but it's ok here cause no one got hurt. Interesting.

This. Drunk driving isn't just bad when someone gets hurt. It's bad because of the potential for harm. It's like playing Russian Roulette, but pointing the gun at someone else's head. Few people who've actually lost a loved one to drunk driving would call it 'just being human'.

The race comment is idiotic. Black, white, yellow, or green, Mark Grace is a selfish, reckless POS.

Well a lot of the people defending him are people who have had previous DUIs.

 

[Gwynn545]

Bad decision. No one was hurt. Big deal.

If only people would get so up-in-arms about crimes that actually have victims.

You obviously have never lost a loved one because of a drunk driver. Congratulations! Why don't you rub it in on the rest of us some more! ::facepalm:: You are so lucky! Hopefully you will never have to feel the way I do about drunk drivers...

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Maybe Grace was trying to drink his "slump buster" pretty?

Joking aside, it's what Grace does regarding this situation in the coming weeks that will affect my opinion of his reputation. Everyone will have their own opinions; some will change, others won't.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Bad decision. No one was hurt. Big deal.

If only people would get so up-in-arms about crimes that actually have victims.

You obviously have never lost a loved one because of a drunk driver. Congratulations! Why don't you rub it in on the rest of us some more! ::facepalm:: You are so lucky! Hopefully you will never have to feel the way I do about drunk drivers...

This is a straw man. You are insinuating that I have no sympathy for anyone who has lost loved ones or friends to a drunk driver because I believe that people make mistakes and get behind the wheel, and it's f-ing ridiculous. Intent is a big deal to me, and no one sets out to hurt others by hitting them with their car. So forgive me if I don't think it's right to compare manslaughter to driving under the influence. I'm a realist and I try not to form opinions based on my emotions.[spamuser:23cl6xww][/spamuser:23cl6xww]

 

[Card Magnet]

The law looks at a DUI with nobody harmed and somebody harmed differently, so why shouldn't we as people?

 

[sportscardtheory]

The law looks at a DUI with nobody harmed and somebody harmed differently, so why shouldn't we as people?

Exactly. It's two different crimes. Some people act as though driving under the influence is the same as manslaughter.

 

[maxpower]

If only people would get so up-in-arms about crimes that actually have victims.

I think the more reasonable sentiment, is "If only people would get as up-in-arms about drunk driving as they do about Barry Bonds, patch faking, and LeBron James". Seriously, if I wrote a post that said "Bonds is not that bad a guy", I'd get 45 pages of indignantly furious responses. Here, where an actual crime and actual potential harm/death is involved, I get nothing but apologists.

I understand the argument you make with regard to victims, but I simply can't agree with it. A single act of drunk driving may not have a victim, but drunk driving as a practice has many victims. The fact that an instance of drunk driving ends up with harm is NOT what makes it a bad act.

This has nothing to do with logic, but part of my reaction has to do with just trying not to be hypocrite. I know that if a drunk Mark Grace tore around a corner and barely missed running over my son, my reaction would never be "No harm, no foul". Maybe some people, faced with that situation, are perfectly capable of writing it off as a 'victimless crime'. But I'm not one of those people.

Is there room for rehabilitation and forgiveness? Sure. But at this moment in time, Mark Grace is just a a plain assclown in my eyes.