Scan of my biggest purchase ever.

[daveyou]

seriously, your scanner is amazing....makes the cards look so nice

great pickup on the mauer.

dave

 

[ThoseBackPages]

CanoScan, its the best

 

[daveyou]

eric, i DO have the canoscan! but mine sucks!

dave

 

[ThoseBackPages]

eric, i DO have the canoscan! but mine sucks!

dave

do you have the 4400f?

 

[crowhop]

Not a bad investment if he ever leaves minny ...very likely at some point you will cash in big time imagine a last ditch move to the yankees//red sox instant lottery scratcher :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Mauer is an interesting case. On his way to being one of the best hitting catchers of all time, but without much power, it will be interesting to see what sort of hobby love he gets.

People love the batting average though, and most casual observers are unaware of its overrated status. Plus he's only 25, so he has many years ahead of him. Plus the eye appeal on this card ^^^through the roof.

• Memo to Twins CEO Jim Pohlad: Get Joe Mauer's contract extension completed, because he will be the next great Yankees-Red Sox war if he hits the free-agent market in November 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=gammons_peter

 

[daveyou]

eric, i DO have the canoscan! but mine sucks!

dave

do you have the 4400f?

no, they didn't have that at staples that day and me being impatient, bought the lide 200 flatbed one....not a good purchase....i mean, when i scan them without onetouch or graded ones, they look amazing but looks crappy if i scan bgs/psa/onetouches

dave

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

eric, i DO have the canoscan! but mine sucks!

dave

do you have the 4400f?

no, they didn't have that at staples that day and me being impatient, bought the lide 200 flatbed one....not a good purchase....i mean, when i scan them without onetouch or graded ones, they look amazing but looks crappy if i scan bgs/psa/onetouches

dave

I think the image sensor in any scanner you buy must be CCD if you want it to scan graded cards well. Otherwise it will only create quality scans of things that are directly on the surface of the scanner.

 

[Craig - 21hawk]

Not a bad investment if he ever leaves minny ...very likely at some point you will cash in big time imagine a last ditch move to the yankees//red sox instant lottery scratcher :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Mauer is an interesting case. On his way to being one of the best hitting catchers of all time, but without much power, it will be interesting to see what sort of hobby love he gets.

People love the batting average though, and most casual observers are unaware of its overrated status. Plus he's only 25, so he has many years ahead of him. Plus the eye appeal on this card ^^^through the roof.

• Memo to Twins CEO Jim Pohlad: Get Joe Mauer's contract extension completed, because he will be the next great Yankees-Red Sox war if he hits the free-agent market in November 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=gammons_peter

He's not going anywhere. He's from St. Paul and is practically worshiped locally. With the new stadium opening next year, the PR crisis that would ensue if he left would devastate the organization. He can name his price and the Twins have no option but to agree to it.

Craig

 

[flightposite]

Not a bad investment if he ever leaves minny ...very likely at some point you will cash in big time imagine a last ditch move to the yankees//red sox instant lottery scratcher :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Mauer is an interesting case. On his way to being one of the best hitting catchers of all time, but without much power, it will be interesting to see what sort of hobby love he gets.

People love the batting average though, and most casual observers are unaware of its overrated status. Plus he's only 25, so he has many years ahead of him. Plus the eye appeal on this card ^^^through the roof.

[quote="Peter Gammons":3jxxj39y]• Memo to Twins CEO Jim Pohlad: Get Joe Mauer's contract extension completed, because he will be the next great Yankees-Red Sox war if he hits the free-agent market in November 2010.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=gammons_peter

He's not going anywhere. He's from St. Paul and is practically worshiped locally. With the new stadium opening next year, the PR crisis that would ensue if he left would devastate the organization. He can name his price and the Twins have no option but to agree to it.

Craig[/quote:3jxxj39y]

I disagree. And this guy sums it up pretty good why...

http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2009/01/signing-joe.html

I also see a statement in this thread that I always disagree with. Minnesota has one of the best followings on cardboards. His rookies will see small increases at first if he were to sign with a NY or Boston, but will quickly come back down. I bring it up every time, but Johan Santana's cards are down considerable since going to NY. I'll fight the NY/Boston price increase stigma till the day I die.

 

[flightposite]

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[blanning71]

awesome card! And BTW, if anyone can PM me with some scanner info it would be greatly appreciated. I hate having to take everything out of one touches to scan them. Sorry to hijack the thread but I too am interested.

 

[Craig - 21hawk]

He's not going anywhere. He's from St. Paul and is practically worshiped locally. With the new stadium opening next year, the PR crisis that would ensue if he left would devastate the organization. He can name his price and the Twins have no option but to agree to it.

Craig

I disagree. And this guy sums it up pretty good why...

http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2009/01/signing-joe.html

He completely ignores the PR nightmare that would result. From a business perspective they have to sign him because the hit they would take if they don't outweighs the money hit they would take for signing him. Whether he is worth the money isn't relevant to 95% of Twins fans.

Craig

 

[Topnotchsy]

I also see a statement in this thread that I always disagree with. Minnesota has one of the best followings on cardboards. His rookies will see small increases at first if he were to sign with a NY or Boston, but will quickly come back down. I bring it up every time, but Johan Santana's cards are down considerable since going to NY. I'll fight the NY/Boston price increase stigma till the day I die.

I disagree, and think you are missing the point to a considerable degree.

When a player is dealt to NY/Boston, the biggest increase usually happens immediately after the trade, when the perception of increased investment potential combined with a small number of fans who "simply have to have the card now" cause prices to spike. When Santana was traded to the Mets, this is exactly what happened, and prices jumped to prices that were as high, if not slightly higher than they had ever been (I sold my Santana Finest Gold /100 for $515, and Ref's /1000 were getting close to $200.) This despite the fact that Santana had had a "poor" year (by his standards) and was no longer considered the undisputed best pitcher in baseball (a "title" he had for 2-3 years before.)

Still, you might argue, Santana's prices are down since he came to NY. To this I'll throw out a number of points:

1. You are comparing the prices of Santana in his 1st year in NY, with his prices at his peak in Minnesota. His last year in Minnesota his prices dropped considerably on his RC's.
2. Santana's W-L record this season (especially the first half) had people down on him, and that hurt prices.
3. You are comparing Santana on the Twins who were his "first" team (I know he was a Rule 5 signee, but he played his whole MLB career in Minnesota) with Santana, the recently signed Free Agent. Any player who leaves a team that he has had a long stay with will lose many fans when he leaves, regardless of market size. Unquestionably this will affect prices. That said, a NY is a far, far better market than Minnesota all other things being equal. This is not one of those cases. Still, a move to NY, if he stays a long time, should provide far more market potential than Minnesota in the form of way more exposure, way more fans, and way more opportunity potential (Sunday Night baseball, Playoff baseball etc.)

I try to keep an open mind when it comes to investing as I know that there is a lot I don't know. That said, I am pretty confident about this, and have not seen any market evidence that supports your claim.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

awesome card! And BTW, if anyone can PM me with some scanner info it would be greatly appreciated. I hate having to take everything out of one touches to scan them. Sorry to hijack the thread but I too am interested.

CanoScan 4400F

case closed

 

[blanning71]

awesome card! And BTW, if anyone can PM me with some scanner info it would be greatly appreciated. I hate having to take everything out of one touches to scan them. Sorry to hijack the thread but I too am interested.

CanoScan 4400F

case closed

What price are we talking about?

 

[flightposite]

[quote="Craig - 21hawk":2eiksygd]He's not going anywhere. He's from St. Paul and is practically worshiped locally. With the new stadium opening next year, the PR crisis that would ensue if he left would devastate the organization. He can name his price and the Twins have no option but to agree to it.

Craig

I disagree. And this guy sums it up pretty good why...

http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2009/01/signing-joe.html

He completely ignores the PR nightmare that would result. From a business perspective they have to sign him because the hit they would take if they don't outweighs the money hit they would take for signing him. Whether he is worth the money isn't relevant to 95% of Twins fans.

Craig[/quote:2eiksygd]

Can you remember a time when the Twins made a personnel decision based on the fans rather than what they thought was a fiscally sound decision?

Not to bring up the fact that they are pretty deep in catcher talent, especially considering Wilson Ramos is BA #3 prospect on their Twins list.

Or to mention Mauer's injuries and knees... Where will they be in 2 years?

I also believe that Mauer isn't even the #1 fan guy for the Twins anymore. Morneau is quickly becoming the toast of the Twins world. (Which is funny because so few remember how 90% of Twins fans ******* incessantly when the Twins decided to let the GREAT Doug Mientkiewicz (Yep, still remember how to spell it) go to bring him up, where are those people?)

I'm not saying it'd be dumb to sign him, i'm just bring up the fact that one can make a case for not doing so.

 

[flightposite]

I also see a statement in this thread that I always disagree with. Minnesota has one of the best followings on cardboards. His rookies will see small increases at first if he were to sign with a NY or Boston, but will quickly come back down. I bring it up every time, but Johan Santana's cards are down considerable since going to NY. I'll fight the NY/Boston price increase stigma till the day I die.

I disagree, and think you are missing the point to a considerable degree.

When a player is dealt to NY/Boston, the biggest increase usually happens immediately after the trade, when the perception of increased investment potential combined with a small number of fans who "simply have to have the card now" cause prices to spike. When Santana was traded to the Mets, this is exactly what happened, and prices jumped to prices that were as high, if not slightly higher than they had ever been (I sold my Santana Finest Gold /100 for $515, and Ref's /1000 were getting close to $200.) This despite the fact that Santana had had a "poor" year (by his standards) and was no longer considered the undisputed best pitcher in baseball (a "title" he had for 2-3 years before.)

Still, you might argue, Santana's prices are down since he came to NY. To this I'll throw out a number of points:

1. You are comparing the prices of Santana in his 1st year in NY, with his prices at his peak in Minnesota. His last year in Minnesota his prices dropped considerably on his RC's.
2. Santana's W-L record this season (especially the first half) had people down on him, and that hurt prices.
3. You are comparing Santana on the Twins who were his "first" team (I know he was a Rule 5 signee, but he played his whole MLB career in Minnesota) with Santana, the recently signed Free Agent. Any player who leaves a team that he has had a long stay with will lose many fans when he leaves, regardless of market size. Unquestionably this will affect prices. That said, a NY is a far, far better market than Minnesota all other things being equal. This is not one of those cases. Still, a move to NY, if he stays a long time, should provide far more market potential than Minnesota in the form of way more exposure, way more fans, and way more opportunity potential (Sunday Night baseball, Playoff baseball etc.)

I try to keep an open mind when it comes to investing as I know that there is a lot I don't know. That said, I am pretty confident about this, and have not seen any market evidence that supports your claim.

As someone who has bought and sold probably double digit Santana gold refractor rcs, I firmly stand by my statements. Also, you talk about Santana having a down year (you did say for him), but was he or was he not still in the Cy Young discussion (wasn't a front runner, but he was in the discussion)?

 

[Topnotchsy]

As someone who has bought and sold probably double digit Santana gold refractor rcs, I firmly stand by my statements. Also, you talk about Santana having a down year (you did say for him), but was he or was he not still in the Cy Young discussion (wasn't a front runner, but he was in the discussion)?

You've sold numerous copies, so you definitely remember how the Finest Gold Ref's had dropped considerably during his final season in Minnesota.

As for his being in the Cy Young discussion, living in NY I can tell you that after his "slow" start, people were not quick to warm up to him.

My statements are not being made on the basis of a single player, but more of years and years of study of the entire market. I can give you examples that support every statement I made in the last post.

 

[Craig - 21hawk]

[quote="Craig - 21hawk":2ic8zlan]He's not going anywhere. He's from St. Paul and is practically worshiped locally. With the new stadium opening next year, the PR crisis that would ensue if he left would devastate the organization. He can name his price and the Twins have no option but to agree to it.

Craig

I disagree. And this guy sums it up pretty good why...

http://twinsgeek.blogspot.com/2009/01/signing-joe.html

He completely ignores the PR nightmare that would result. From a business perspective they have to sign him because the hit they would take if they don't outweighs the money hit they would take for signing him. Whether he is worth the money isn't relevant to 95% of Twins fans.

Craig

Can you remember a time when the Twins made a personnel decision based on the fans rather than what they thought was a fiscally sound decision?

Not to bring up the fact that they are pretty deep in catcher talent, especially considering Wilson Ramos is BA #3 prospect on their Twins list.

Or to mention Mauer's injuries and knees... Where will they be in 2 years?

I also believe that Mauer isn't even the #1 fan guy for the Twins anymore. Morneau is quickly becoming the toast of the Twins world. (Which is funny because so few remember how 90% of Twins fans ******* incessantly when the Twins decided to let the GREAT Doug Mientkiewicz (Yep, still remember how to spell it) go to bring him up, where are those people?)

I'm not saying it'd be dumb to sign him, i'm just bring up the fact that one can make a case for not doing so.[/quote:2ic8zlan]

You're right that they don't usually make decisions based on PR, but this is a different case. There would be open revolt, and with the new stadium they simply can't afford that. I agree that Morneau may be passing Mauer but they are still the most popular Twins since Puckett and I'd argue they are approaching his popularity.

Craig

 

[flightposite]

As someone who has bought and sold probably double digit Santana gold refractor rcs, I firmly stand by my statements. Also, you talk about Santana having a down year (you did say for him), but was he or was he not still in the Cy Young discussion (wasn't a front runner, but he was in the discussion)?

You've sold numerous copies, so you definitely remember how the Finest Gold Ref's had dropped considerably during his final season in Minnesota.

As for his being in the Cy Young discussion, living in NY I can tell you that after his "slow" start, people were not quick to warm up to him.

My statements are not being made on the basis of a single player, but more of years and years of study of the entire market. I can give you examples that support every statement I made in the last post.

I sold 3 above $450 (2 of them over 500) in his last season with Minnesota. During the season last year, I witnessed two of them auction off and fail to get to $285... Something that never happened in all his years in Minnesota.

Which other star player left Minnesota in the prime of his career? Cuz I can't really think of one.