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Shields + Davis to KC for Wil Myers
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imac220
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Wow! Intriguing trade. Didn't see this one coming.
As a Royals fan, I'm about to throw up. And because I really hate Dayton Moore, I really hope Wil Myers becomes the next Mike Trout. I just can't see giving up 6-7 cost controlled years of Myers for 2 years of James Shields. Not to mention giving up Odorizzi -- that's just freakin stupid. And way to sell low on Montgomery.
bmp1971
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Dude, Shields is a horse and can go toe-to-toe with basically any pitcher in the game and give your team a legit shot to win. Davis is underrated, IMO. I think KC got what they needed and wanted, so you have to give something up for that, obviously. The Rays are taking the gamble more than KC.
This trade works on both sides. The Royals DESPERATELY needed Major League ready pitching ASAP. Shields will certainly help, and Davis can either start or relieve, depending on their immediate needs.
Tampa Bay's outfield will soon be bolstered by Myers (he'll start in Durham, most likely), and Odorizzi will likely join him there. I see him being a mid-season callup.
Montgomery, I haven't given up on yet (I still own a Red Ref Auto BGS 9.5), and he could still become a great prospect if his command returns.
And Leonard is a promising young bat, who is several years away.
Tampa Bay's outfield will soon be bolstered by Myers (he'll start in Durham, most likely), and Odorizzi will likely join him there. I see him being a mid-season callup.
Montgomery, I haven't given up on yet (I still own a Red Ref Auto BGS 9.5), and he could still become a great prospect if his command returns.
And Leonard is a promising young bat, who is several years away.
Personally, Tampa came away with a haul! A potential all-star outfielder and a number two and number four pitcher at their peak who are both near ready for full-time MLB duty. Wow.
Hallsgator
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Odorizzi is not a #2 in a 1st division rotation and Monty will be lucky to be a bullpen arm. And Monty isn't even close to MLB time, well at least quality MLB time.
ThoseBackPages
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KC is in the business of running their ball club. they dont give a XXXX about what "might be". this isnt baseball card XXXX ya know lol
The Royals pitching was terrible but what was even more terrible was that smiling POS Jeff Francoeur in right field. The Royals would have improved by much more just be releasing Frenchy, putting Myers in right field, and then spending the $15 mil or so that Shields and Davis are going to cost them and signing a couple of middling free agents. Not to mention that Odorizzi is pretty much MLB ready and would probably be about as good as Davis (who was terrible as a starter but was decent as a reliever -- but the same can be said for most struggling starting pitchers).
I'm not saying that Shields isn't good. I don't agree that the Rays are taking more of a risk. Shields would be gone in 2 years and even though his contract is reasonable compared to the rest of baseball it's still at the upper limits of what the Rays can pay. Taking his money off the books and getting top flight prospects back will help the Rays long term far more than the 2 years he puts in for the Royals. Davis isn't anybody I'm excited about but at least he has a decent contract. If this trade was just Myers for Shields I wouldn't really like it but it wouldn't have overly pissed me off. But Myers AND Odorizzi for Shields is too much (I'd much rather have Odorizzi than Davis). And then throwing in Montgomery is a Royals like thing to do. Maybe he will never regain his form but if he can, he will really help make this one of the most lopsided trades in MLB history.
19braves77
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The Royals basically got a 4th/5th start for 5 years below the 4th/5th starter rate. Wade Davis has all his options left somehow.
I package Wade Davis and Jeff Francouer to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano now if we are going all in.....
I package Wade Davis and Jeff Francouer to the Cubs for Alfonso Soriano now if we are going all in.....
notjomommasclint
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I'm indifferent but the one and only Dayton Moore say that they were no longer the developmental team for other MLB clubs?
bmp1971
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Big words right there! In all MLB history? C'mon now. This is a very balanced trade. I wish the Red Sox would have offered Brentz or Bogaerts for Shields. I wouldn't complain for one second if either of those had gone through.
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Hmm, stuck in baseball card fantasy wonderland, LOL...
If I was a Red Sox fan, trading the prospects wouldn't bother me either. But the Royals, with their limited budget, need the 6 to 7 cost controlled years of Myers far more than 2 years of Shields. If the Royals were just a pitcher away from contending, it might be worthwhile but they need a whole lot more than Shields. If everything breaks right for the Royals in 2013 they may end up with 83-85 wins. Maybe once in 10 years will 85 wins get you in the playoffs. Mortgaging the future to win an extra 5-10 games when you still have almost no chance of making the playoffs makes no sense.
edited to add -- Myers is rated way above Brentz or Bogaerts not to mention they had to give up way more than just Myers to get 2 years of Shields. WOuld you have traded both of them for Shields? That's basically not even what the Royals did. They gave up the #4 Prospect - according to MLB.com (Myers) and the #30 prospect (Odorizzi) for Shields and Davis (who isn't exactly a world beater) plus threw in a former top 20 prospect who had fallen on hard times but is still young enough to get his act together (Montgomery). (Brentz is #70 on that list, Bogaerts is #31)
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My money is on Shields being traded during the season and they will get a haul of prospects for him in return.
Hard to explain them giving up Myers but they have to think they have a chance to compete in the AL Central next year. Just better hope Hosmer and the rest of the offense gets back on track.
Hard to explain them giving up Myers but they have to think they have a chance to compete in the AL Central next year. Just better hope Hosmer and the rest of the offense gets back on track.
bmp1971
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I understand what you're saying, but the glass is not necessarily half-empty there. Davis and Shields could have a bigger impact on the team's playoff chances than you are giving them potential credit for. Is Duffy coming back for ST? If so, that's a bonus. KC simply has NO chance of anything without dealing for a couple bonafide starters though, and you, being a KC fan, know that. You may lose out long-term on a prospect, but you may not. Either way you get a solid couple years or more with Shields and Davis. I like the trade for KC.
wolters03
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When was Hosmer ever on track in the majors?
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CatdaddysCards
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As a Royals fan, I don't like it a bit. It's because of what's been said. We could've done more with control if Myers and Odorizzi than it was worth for two years of Shields. Hell, at least we could've gotten archer back, somehow. Praying like hell, the ptbnl is something good.
Would much rather have cut Frenchy, traded Gordon, spotted Myers into RF, Odorizzi into the rotation and bought an ARM for $15 Mil.
BullXXXX. I'm pissed. My last couple of Myers cards will be available for Paypal, tomorrow.
Would much rather have cut Frenchy, traded Gordon, spotted Myers into RF, Odorizzi into the rotation and bought an ARM for $15 Mil.
BullXXXX. I'm pissed. My last couple of Myers cards will be available for Paypal, tomorrow.
I dont know many people that would say trading Xander Bogaerts for James Shields would be a good trade for Boston....It's insane to think Bogaerts and Brentz for James Shields would be a good trade imo.
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