Should Michael Young Get HOF Consideration In A Few Years?

[sheetskout]

I am not going to taint this discussion with my thoughts just yet. Here are Michael Young's stats:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... mi02.shtml



Does Michael Young get Hall consideration if he finishes his career well?

 

[bowmanchromeandorr]

sure, if he buys a ticket like everyone else

 

[MOFNY]

Not without 3000 hits.

 

[Yankees1218]

Yes because of hie legitimate shot at 3000...

 

[Brewer Andy]

Yes because of hie legitimate shot at 3000...

I don't see him playing 10 more years. Without the "magic number" I don't think he gets in. File him in the Mark Grace category of "Great", just not "All-Time Great"

 

[Huffamaniac]

The question being asked is should he get "consideration". Based on his accomplishments, yes he should get consideration. Should he get in is a different question.

7 time All Star and a batting title, and a career .300 plus average gets you in the discussion

I am not going to taint this discussion with my thoughts just yet. Here are Michael Young's stats:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/playe ... mi02.shtml



Does Michael Young get Hall consideration if he finishes his career well?

 

[WoundedDuck]

sure, if he buys a ticket like everyone else

No offense intended to the poster, but this phrase has become so cliche when discussing potential HoFers. I'm as sick of it as I am hearing "At then end of the day... " when used by professional athletes (or anyone for that matter) when trying to make a point.

 

[ballerskrip]

How can anyone say a player with 3,000 hits won't make the HOF? If a noodle swinging sally like Ozzie Smith and his .262 avg are in the HOF, then yes, heck yes Michael Young has a shot at it.

skrip

 

[Gonzaleznut]

If he continues his current pace and plays 5-6 more years then I think he should be seriously considered. I would be really surprised if he got to 3,000 hits. If he does then yes, if not then he would be on the fence.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

at what point did anyone ever say "Wow that Michael Young is AMAZING!"

i cannot recall ever having that conversation before.

The Hall of Fame continues to get watered down as the years go by

 

[Hallsgator]

He's like the Jim Thome of hits. He always gets tons of hits but no one ever talks about him. He'll end up with a crap ton of hits at the end of his career.

 

[bowmanchromeandorr]

sure, if he buys a ticket like everyone else

No offense intended to the poster, but this phrase has become so cliche when discussing potential HoFers. I'm as sick of it as I am hearing "At then end of the day... " when used by professional athletes (or anyone for that matter) when trying to make a point.

none taken, so don't worry about it. unlike most people here i dont get into pissing matches when there is a differing opinion.

young is a good, average hitter and player in general. like skrip said, i don't ever remember anyone getting in a convo by saying "wow. that michael young, did you say that. wow that was amazing". you just don't see or hear those conversations. numbers are a good indicator (which he probably will never have enough of), but there should be more to it than that. hell, if i hit 650 homers but only have 1000 hits total is that hall of fame worthy. probably not. (but i would have 650 homers)

 

[smapdi]

You aren't watching baseball in Texas, where he's a classic 'local hero.' Victim of his city and times. Assuming he ends his age-34 season at ~2050 hits, and he plays 5 more seasons, he would probably make it to ~2800 hits. He would also finish with over 200 HRs and over 1000 RBI. Historically, that is not too shabby a career for a 2B/SS. However, playing in an age, tainted though it might be, where power is so overemphasized, and playing in the shadow of Jeter and A-Rod, and coming after Ripken and Sandberg, he's got it a little tough. He's been a fine player with little fanfare. He's had a nice peak, 2005, plus an extended run of great years, 5 consecutive 200-hits years, seven all-star selections and a gold glove. However, to some people hitting .331 with 24 homers is not worth discussing when there are guys who hit .331 with 44 homers, even if there are only a couple of those guys. He's a Joe Morgan- or Craig Biggio-type player, not a Cal Ripken-type player. If he had played in the 70s-80s-early-90s, a guy like him would be a strong candidate. Today, I think he needs to reach 3000.

The Bill James Predictor Toy agrees. "Based on his age, your player can be expected to play for 4.5 more years, at an average of 180.5 per year. At that rate, he will finish at 2830 for his career. He has a 33 percent chance to reach 3000." He's hitting for a career high in BA this year. But he turns 35 in October, and if Ichiro taught us anything, it's that old age can set in at any time.

 

[elmalo]

How can anyone say a player with 3,000 hits won't make the HOF? If a noodle swinging sally like Ozzie Smith and his .262 avg are in the HOF, then yes, heck yes Michael Young has a shot at it.

skrip

Best defensive SS of all time. Bat had nothing to do with it.

 

[XdanX]

Nice solid player and would love to have him on my team any day, but no. He was never dominant. My rule of thumb is that if you have to think twice about somebody then they shouldnt be in.

 

[ballerskrip]

How can anyone say a player with 3,000 hits won't make the HOF? If a noodle swinging sally like Ozzie Smith and his .262 avg are in the HOF, then yes, heck yes Michael Young has a shot at it.

skrip

Best defensive SS of all time. Bat had nothing to do with it.

So being a one tool player gets you in the Hall of Fame? Really? That is a SILLY, yes SILLY argument. If that is the case, than any power hitter who has 400+ homeruns should get in, because they do one thing VERY well. And while we are at it, Edgar Martinez would be a 100% lock for the hall because he is the best DH of all time.

skrip

 

[elmalo]

How can anyone say a player with 3,000 hits won't make the HOF? If a noodle swinging sally like Ozzie Smith and his .262 avg are in the HOF, then yes, heck yes Michael Young has a shot at it.

skrip

Best defensive SS of all time. Bat had nothing to do with it.

So being a one tool player gets you in the Hall of Fame? Really? That is a SILLY, yes SILLY argument. If that is the case, than any power hitter who has 400+ homeruns should get in, because they do one thing VERY well. And while we are at it, Edgar Martinez would be a 100% lock for the hall because he is the best DH of all time.

skrip

He wasnt a one tool player. He was a great fielder and a descent hitter, especially for a SS at that time. With Martinez, no, bc you can compare him to all hitters. You cant compare a ss hitting, to say a first basemans hitting. But a DH, yes.

 

[ballerskrip]

As important as defense is, I just don't see it making a person hall of fame worthy. If he were playing today, he would have a hard time keeping his starting job, let alone being in the hall of fame.

 

[HPC]

I'd vote him in if he finishes close to 3000 hits and a .300 or so avg.

3000 hits, 500 HR, 300 W, 3000K, etc, probably wont be magic numbers for very much longer.

The game has changed from the way it used to be.

Inning counts are limited, pitch counts limited, teams platoon guys more and more to preserve health, etc. These are things writers need to take into account.

Michael Young has been very consistent throughout his career and is definitely worthy IMO

 

[scooter2374]

I have tried to learn to judge a players career at the end of it and not halfway or 3/4 through. I was firmly in the "Griffey Jr. will defintely hit 700+ maybe 800+ homers before all is said and done" camp in the mid 90s. I was also a huge Kevin Maas guy...... so much for that camp.