SHOW EM IF YA GOT EM - 2010 AL CHAMP RANGERS !!!!!

G $MONEY$ · Oct 23, 2010

holy crap is that ever an amazing collection of Ryan autographs!!!

Congratulations on the collection!!!

carlitoson · Oct 23, 2010

Here are a few more. Ogando and Kirkman need MLB cards... :x

And one of the boss (case is scratched):

uniquebaseballcards · Oct 23, 2010

Hamilton indeed was close to 14 when the pic used in your avatar was taken for his MiLB RC/FY.

Krom said:
His *best* RC
Unique, are we 14 years old?

JoshHamilton · Oct 23, 2010

Good god, you are stupid.

But your comment is funny. That's the exact opposite of a lot of legal defenses for a certain crime

uniquebaseballcards · Oct 23, 2010

You seem to know a lot about this certain crime for some reason, your involvement with cards of young men scares me even more...

And again with the name-calling. You remind me a lot of an angry guy I know that wears elevator shoes.

Not planning to respond further here.

JoshHamilton said:
Good god, you are stupid.

But your comment is funny. That's the exact opposite of a lot of legal defenses for a certain crime

Krom · Oct 23, 2010

uniquebaseballcards said:
Hamilton indeed was close to 14 when the pic used in your avatar was taken for his MiLB RC/FY.

Krom said:

His *best* RC
Unique, are we 14 years old?

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Oh, you Are 14. I'm sorry. I would take a 1999 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor over a non-rc 1/1. Unless you consider what people tell you what rcs are then you probably consider the 1999 issues an xrc. Which is fine by me.
Edit - Milb haha It is a Bowman Chrome MLB card with an Milb photo. Chrome is King.

uniquebaseballcards · Oct 23, 2010

Yeah, you sound real mature yourself here. Anyone's welcome to their own opinion and preference, nobody's "wrong" or has to feel threatened. Not having to worry about silly licenses or logos makes the '99 Hamilton a MiLB RC or FY. I only have to think when the guy made his MLB debut...and one huge advantage of my point of view is never having to worry about team mismatches...like the fact that Hamilton never made the Rays' roster.

Besides, nobody has a right to say that a FY or MiLB RC isn't the best card of a player to have. After all, this is a player's true first card.

Krom said:
uniquebaseballcards said:

Hamilton indeed was close to 14 when the pic used in your avatar was taken for his MiLB RC/FY.

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Oh, you Are 14. I'm sorry. I would take a 1999 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor over a non-rc 1/1. Unless you consider what people tell you what rcs are then you probably consider the 1999 issues an xrc. Which is fine by me.
Edit - Milb haha It is a Bowman Chrome MLB card with an Milb photo. Chrome is King.

Krom · Oct 23, 2010

Besides, nobody has a right to say that a FY or MiLB RC isn't the best card of a player to have. After all, this is a player's true first card.

Then why act like your card was the *best* rc with a smiley. I could care less about him ever playing with the Rays or not.

uniquebaseballcards · Oct 23, 2010

Hamilton doesn't have a 1/1 in 1999, does he?

Flagship brand, impossible odds makes me think it's the best card to have and because, unlike yourself apparently, team and league do matter to most every person who follows the sport...including myself.

Besides, do you think Bowman would be as popular if it showed the player on a MiLB roster? I'd prefer it that way, perhaps there will be Topps Debut Chrome next year which would rule.

Krom said:
Besides, nobody has a right to say that a FY or MiLB RC isn't the best card of a player to have. After all, this is a player's true first card.

Then why act like your card was the *best* rc with a smiley. I could care less about him ever playing with the Rays or not.

Krom · Oct 23, 2010

uniquebaseballcards said:
Hamilton doesn't have a 1/1 in 1999, does he?

Flagship brand, impossible odds makes me think it's the best card to have and because, unlike yourself apparently, team and league do matter to most every person who follows the sport...including myself.

Besides, do you think Bowman would be as popular if it showed the player on a MiLB roster? I'd prefer it that way, perhaps there will be Topps Debut Chrome next year which would rule.

Krom said:

Besides, nobody has a right to say that a FY or MiLB RC isn't the best card of a player to have. After all, this is a player's true first card.

Then why act like your card was the *best* rc with a smiley. I could care less about him ever playing with the Rays or not.

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I could care less about 1/1s. In this day and age 1/1s have become overproduced. Autoed or not. I would rather have a Gold Refractor. But really? Most every person? I don't agree with that. Realized prices on ebay show that Fys most of the time out sell their Mlb logo equal. Unless its a Auto card than that seems to have a premium. But even then they are not yet "mlb rcs" and the fy BC autos usually way out sell "mlb rcs"
Edit- look at 05 Brauns BC auto rc compared to the 07 Spx auto "mlb rc" and it sells for less. I personaly think that way of thinking is in the minority.

uniquebaseballcards · Oct 24, 2010

That's great, I couldn't care less that you could care less about 1/1s. If you think 1/1s are overproduced, then you must think all cards are overproduced by extension...

I'm including everyone who follows the game of baseball, not just a few card collectors, who follow the game of baseball. Everyone in this larger set clearly prefers MLB and almost all prefer a certain MLB team or two. People who buy cards come and go and buy for many different reasons, not all of which are related to actual collecting.

We'll see what FY cards do compared to RCs twenty years from now. FY's are still in their relative infant stages, and not everyone who buys one understands what they are - they may not understand the player is not in the MLB when issued. One can easily say Hamilton is an example of a player that makes Bowman less palpatable simply because of the uni he's pictured in.

Krom said:
I could care less about 1/1s. In this day and age 1/1s have become overproduced. Autoed or not. I would rather have a Gold Refractor. But really? Most every person? I don't agree with that. Realized prices on ebay show that Fys most of the time out sell their Mlb logo equal. Unless its a Auto card than that seems to have a premium. But even then they are not yet "mlb rcs" and the fy BC autos usually way out sell "mlb rcs"

Krom · Oct 24, 2010

uniquebaseballcards said:
That's great, I couldn't care less that you could care less about 1/1s. If you think 1/1s are overproduced, then you must think all cards are overproduced by extension...

I'm including everyone who follows the game of baseball, not just a few card collectors, who follow the game of baseball. Everyone in this larger set clearly prefers MLB and almost all prefer a certain MLB team or two. People who buy cards come and go and buy for many different reasons, not all of which are related to actual collecting.

We'll see what FY cards do compared to RCs twenty years from now. FY's are still in their relative infant stages, and not everyone who buys one understands what they are - they may not understand the player is not in the MLB when issued. One can easily say Hamilton is an example of a player that makes Bowman less palpatable simply because of the uni he's pictured in.

Krom said:

I could care less about 1/1s. In this day and age 1/1s have become overproduced. Autoed or not. I would rather have a Gold Refractor. But really? Most every person? I don't agree with that. Realized prices on ebay show that Fys most of the time out sell their Mlb logo equal. Unless its a Auto card than that seems to have a premium. But even then they are not yet "mlb rcs" and the fy BC autos usually way out sell "mlb rcs"

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Not everyone get hung up on the players uniform. No i don't think all cards are overproduced at all. After we shifted from overproduction to the limited age cards like the Pujols Rc auto (BC) is #d of 500 and that is not that many. Hundreds more than 1/1s but one thing you have to keep in mind when you talk future value is Demand. There will only be so many looking to buy your card off of you but with only 25 of his most popular rc they will likely skyrocket. There is enough demand let alone if he continues to do what he has. They are not even offered for sale NOW (ask the board member begging for one) And that is now only after a couple years of playing. They will be locked up in Pcs and have Huge demand/limited to no supply = $$$
Edit - sometimes being too limited can hurt the card's value. There just will never be the same Mass of demand like using the BC Pujols rc as an example. That card will always out sell a "mlb rc" of less production because of its demand.

uniquebaseballcards · Oct 24, 2010

If people aren't hung up on uniforms then Bowman wouldn't need to show MiLB players wearing MLB unis. Don't get me wrong, I prefer real MiLB unis and would personally prefer a '99 Hamilton Princeton and/or Hudson Valley over a Rays jersey. Now if you still want to call the Rays jersey best, that's fine with me.

Short supply does not necessarily equal future demand to the extent you think. Vintage is largely popular because people remember owning certain cards long ago, there's a nostalgia factor. Far, far fewer people are going to get nostalgic over a card they never owned such as the Pujols RC auto (note he never had an FY). Furthermore Pujols has several other viable RC options from other brands which decreases specific demand; further yet he has lots of autos from other years to compete with it even though they're not RCs.

Krom said:
Not everyone get hung up on the players uniform. No i don't think all cards are overproduced at all. After we shifted from overproduction to the limited age cards like the Pujols Rc auto (BC) is #d of 500 and that is not that many. Hundreds more than 1/1s but one thing you have to keep in mind when you talk future value is Demand. There will only be so many looking to buy your card off of you but with only 25 of his most popular rc they will likely skyrocket. There is enough demand let alone if he continues to do what he has. They are not even offered for sale NOW (ask the board member begging for one) And that is now only after a couple years of playing. They will be locked up in Pcs and have Huge demand/limited to no supply = $$$

Krom · Oct 24, 2010

uniquebaseballcards said:
If people aren't hung up on uniforms then Bowman wouldn't need to show MiLB players wearing MLB unis. Don't get me wrong, I prefer real MiLB unis and would personally prefer a '99 Hamilton Princeton and/or Hudson Valley over a Rays jersey. Now if you still want to call the Rays jersey best, that's fine with me.

Short supply does not necessarily equal future demand to the extent you think. Vintage is largely popular because people remember owning certain cards long ago, there's a nostalgia factor. Far, far fewer people are going to get nostalgic over a card they never owned such as the Pujols RC auto (note he never had an FY). Furthermore Pujols has several other viable RC options from other brands which decreases specific demand; further yet he has lots of autos from other years to compete with it even though they're not RCs.

Krom said:

Not everyone get hung up on the players uniform. No i don't think all cards are overproduced at all. After we shifted from overproduction to the limited age cards like the Pujols Rc auto (BC) is #d of 500 and that is not that many. Hundreds more than 1/1s but one thing you have to keep in mind when you talk future value is Demand. There will only be so many looking to buy your card off of you but with only 25 of his most popular rc they will likely skyrocket. There is enough demand let alone if he continues to do what he has. They are not even offered for sale NOW (ask the board member begging for one) And that is now only after a couple years of playing. They will be locked up in Pcs and have Huge demand/limited to no supply = $$$

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Pujols has many Auto rcs, but not one will sell for more unless its /25 or so. The demand keeps the BC at a high selling price where cards like his Spx auto have declined in $ because the demand isnt there like there is on the BC. It will always be worth much more than the other Auto rcs for that reason. Demand is what sets the prices and not many people i know of care about the jersey he is wearing as long as it is a mlb issued major manu. w/logos and such.

uniquebaseballcards · Oct 24, 2010

I'm just saying that you and I know the difference between all of the logos and licenses but the average joe doesn't. 'Truth in advertising' is important to almost everyone I know - and as such cards should be honest and accurately show a player's professional status - because this status (proper team, league) is what is important to the average baseball fan when they follow the game.

What's nice about Pujols is that all of his cards show him on the right team. I'd be certain that Hamilton's '99 BC would have much greater demand if it showed him as a Ranger and not as a Ray...or even as a Red if he were actually on one of those rosters back then.

I wouldn't mind Bowman as much if it made a player's professional status more obvious on the front of the card.

Krom said:
Pujols has many Auto rcs, but not one will sell for more unless its /25 or so. The demand keeps the BC at a high selling price where cards like his Spx auto have declined in $ because the demand isnt there like there is on the BC. It will always be worth much more than the other Auto rcs for that reason. Demand is what sets the prices and not many people i know of care about the jersey he is wearing as long as it is a mlb issued major manu. w/logos and such.