Single season HR record

[johnny rook]

I don't disagree that Bonds used PED's. I don't even like Barry Bonds. It's just a fact that he hit 73.

 

[sportscardtheory]

[quote="johnny rook":15n9ivyo]This poll question might as well read, Which player do you like more then Barry Bonds? Because the truth is Bonds has hit the most HR in a single season. Like him or not.

Bonds cheated to achieve that record, so some people think that his record shouldn't count.

no one really knows if maris or ruth cheated. doubt ruth did, but even if they took some stuff to keep their energy up for 150+ games like an amphetamine isnt that cheating[/quote:15n9ivyo]

Holding something against someone that has never been proven is pretty ridiculous.

 

[jlecates]

Are the couple of people on this thread who so boldly proposed that we don't know if Ruth or Maris took steroids on something themselves - like crack? Anabolic steroids were not even synthesized until the 1930's, not approved by the FDA until the late '50's, and not widely disseminated - even by physicians - for nearly a decade later.
Amphetamines were in use in this country by the late '30's (even by the military), but still not widely distributed until somewhat later. So, certainly Ruth would not have access, and I find it unlikely that Maris would have either.

 

[sheetskout]

THE KEY WORD BEING: ALLEGATIONS

(Caps intended)

I'm not saying Bonds didn't juice, but until it's proven, he is the single season HR champion.

Bonds did juice, it's been proven. Here is an article about it. Not the best or most detailed, but just a quick search:Link


The word "allegations" applies to McGwire and Sosa because those two have not been proven.

I'm sorry, but the information in Game of Shadows resulting from Balco's distribution of the drugs is not a court ruling. Until it's proven in a court of law it's merely speculation.

Again, I'm not saying he didn't do them, but you need to realize there is a difference between eyewitness testimony and actual proof. Right now, this information is simply really-really-really good evidence.

 

[darocker80]

Barry

 

[sportscardtheory]

THE KEY WORD BEING: ALLEGATIONS

(Caps intended)

I'm not saying Bonds didn't juice, but until it's proven, he is the single season HR champion.

Bonds did juice, it's been proven. Here is an article about it. Not the best or most detailed, but just a quick search:Link


The word "allegations" applies to McGwire and Sosa because those two have not been proven.

I'm sorry, but the information in Game of Shadows resulting from Balco's distribution of the drugs is not a court ruling. Until it's proven in a court of law it's merely speculation.

Again, I'm not saying he didn't do them, but you need to realize there is a difference between eyewitness testimony and actual proof. Right now, this information is simply really-really-really good evidence.

He failed a MLB drug test and also admitted use... that is all the proof anyone needs.

 

[abncollectsautos]

[quote="johnny rook":qef46xxa]This poll question might as well read, Which player do you like more then Barry Bonds? Because the truth is Bonds has hit the most HR in a single season. Like him or not.

Bonds cheated to achieve that record, so some people think that his record shouldn't count.

no one really knows if maris or ruth cheated. doubt ruth did, but even if they took some stuff to keep their energy up for 150+ games like an amphetamine isnt that cheating

Holding something against someone that has never been proven is pretty ridiculous.[/quote:qef46xxa]


has bonds come up hot? or is it just allegations?

 

[flightposite]

THE KEY WORD BEING: ALLEGATIONS

(Caps intended)

I'm not saying Bonds didn't juice, but until it's proven, he is the single season HR champion.

Bonds did juice, it's been proven. Here is an article about it. Not the best or most detailed, but just a quick search:Link


The word "allegations" applies to McGwire and Sosa because those two have not been proven.

I'm sorry, but the information in Game of Shadows resulting from Balco's distribution of the drugs is not a court ruling. Until it's proven in a court of law it's merely speculation.

Again, I'm not saying he didn't do them, but you need to realize there is a difference between eyewitness testimony and actual proof. Right now, this information is simply really-really-really good evidence.

Uhh... Barry Bonds ADMITTED he used the PEDs, he just claimed to have done so unknowingly (though most people are so ardently against it, they refuse to look into it at all).

That being said the record is 73. It's a stone cold fact.

 

[sportscardtheory]

[quote="johnny rook":21bwnjxi]This poll question might as well read, Which player do you like more then Barry Bonds? Because the truth is Bonds has hit the most HR in a single season. Like him or not.

Bonds cheated to achieve that record, so some people think that his record shouldn't count.

no one really knows if maris or ruth cheated. doubt ruth did, but even if they took some stuff to keep their energy up for 150+ games like an amphetamine isnt that cheating

Holding something against someone that has never been proven is pretty ridiculous.

has bonds come up hot? or is it just allegations?[/quote:21bwnjxi]

Are you serious? How do people still not know he failed a MLB drug test and also admitted to using.

 

[Therion]

Are the couple of people on this thread who so boldly proposed that we don't know if Ruth or Maris took steroids on something themselves - like crack? Anabolic steroids were not even synthesized until the 1930's, not approved by the FDA until the late '50's, and not widely disseminated - even by physicians - for nearly a decade later.
Amphetamines were in use in this country by the late '30's (even by the military), but still not widely distributed until somewhat later. So, certainly Ruth would not have access, and I find it unlikely that Maris would have either.

Are you being purposely naive?

PEDs have been around for a LOOOONG time. Not specifically steroids but that doesn't mean players weren't cheating. The big four before steroids were strychnine, caffeine (pure, not the pansy doses you get in soda), cocaine, and heroin. The first allegations of using strychnine to enhance performance occurred in 1860 against swimmers from Amsterdam.

But by all means continue living in a fantasy world where old school players were all angels and only modern players ever considered cheating to get ahead.

 

[allstars]

the proof is in the puddin

 

[notjomommasclint]

barry bonds...

 

[tramers]

how about for Ruth using illegal alcohol during proabition[sp].

 

[allstars]

how about for Ruth using illegal alcohol during proabition[sp].

alcohol diminishes performance

 

[jlecates]

Are the couple of people on this thread who so boldly proposed that we don't know if Ruth or Maris took steroids on something themselves - like crack? Anabolic steroids were not even synthesized until the 1930's, not approved by the FDA until the late '50's, and not widely disseminated - even by physicians - for nearly a decade later.
Amphetamines were in use in this country by the late '30's (even by the military), but still not widely distributed until somewhat later. So, certainly Ruth would not have access, and I find it unlikely that Maris would have either.

Are you being purposely naive?

PEDs have been around for a LOOOONG time. Not specifically steroids but that doesn't mean players weren't cheating. The big four before steroids were strychnine, caffeine (pure, not the pansy doses you get in soda), cocaine, and heroin. The first allegations of using strychnine to enhance performance occurred in 1860 against swimmers from Amsterdam.

But by all means continue living in a fantasy world where old school players were all angels and only modern players ever considered cheating to get ahead.

Well, there were two posts specifically targeting steroids and amphetamines, so that's why those were addressed. The point on strychnine is valid and the 1860 case is certainly worth noting, though the other three drugs are typically not given a consensus view that they offer prolonged athletic enhancement when considered some of the immediate impacts and side-effects they offer (i.e. heart complications even in the immediate).

And, no the point is not that all old school players were saints. Certainly by the late '60's there was notable use of amphetamines in MLB, and it was a problem. So I'm not taking up that argument at all. The point was more that we need not conjure a revisionist history that performance-enhancing drug use was as widely spread during Ruth's time, and to a lesser extent, Maris', as it is today.

The argument was focused more to the point of the previous posts, but your points are certainly valid. And thank you for the naive comment - it's that type of erudition that always ensures to help a healthy dialogue.

 

[Therion]

Are the couple of people on this thread who so boldly proposed that we don't know if Ruth or Maris took steroids on something themselves - like crack? Anabolic steroids were not even synthesized until the 1930's, not approved by the FDA until the late '50's, and not widely disseminated - even by physicians - for nearly a decade later.
Amphetamines were in use in this country by the late '30's (even by the military), but still not widely distributed until somewhat later. So, certainly Ruth would not have access, and I find it unlikely that Maris would have either.

Are you being purposely naive?

PEDs have been around for a LOOOONG time. Not specifically steroids but that doesn't mean players weren't cheating. The big four before steroids were strychnine, caffeine (pure, not the pansy doses you get in soda), cocaine, and heroin. The first allegations of using strychnine to enhance performance occurred in 1860 against swimmers from Amsterdam.

But by all means continue living in a fantasy world where old school players were all angels and only modern players ever considered cheating to get ahead.

Well, there were two posts specifically targeting steroids and amphetamines, so that's why those were addressed. The point on strychnine is valid and the 1860 case is certainly worth noting, though the other three drugs are typically not given a consensus view that they offer prolonged athletic enhancement when considered some of the immediate impacts and side-effects they offer (i.e. heart complications even in the immediate).

And, no the point is not that all old school players were saints. Certainly by the late '60's there was notable use of amphetamines in MLB, and it was a problem. So I'm not taking up that argument at all. The point was more that we need not conjure a revisionist history that performance-enhancing drug use was as widely spread during Ruth's time, and to a lesser extent, Maris', as it is today.

The argument was focused more to the point of the previous posts, but your points are certainly valid. And thank you for the naive comment - it's that type of erudition that always ensures to help a healthy dialogue.

I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic. Darn the internets and it's lack of emphasis. In the event that you were being sarcastic (as I suspect) I direct you to the bolded part of your own statements.

Glass houses, my friend

 

[UMich92]

Like him or not, Bonds is the HR king. He has hit the most in a season and in a career.

Alex

 

[jlecates]

Are the couple of people on this thread who so boldly proposed that we don't know if Ruth or Maris took steroids on something themselves - like crack? Anabolic steroids were not even synthesized until the 1930's, not approved by the FDA until the late '50's, and not widely disseminated - even by physicians - for nearly a decade later.
Amphetamines were in use in this country by the late '30's (even by the military), but still not widely distributed until somewhat later. So, certainly Ruth would not have access, and I find it unlikely that Maris would have either.

Are you being purposely naive?

PEDs have been around for a LOOOONG time. Not specifically steroids but that doesn't mean players weren't cheating. The big four before steroids were strychnine, caffeine (pure, not the pansy doses you get in soda), cocaine, and heroin. The first allegations of using strychnine to enhance performance occurred in 1860 against swimmers from Amsterdam.

But by all means continue living in a fantasy world where old school players were all angels and only modern players ever considered cheating to get ahead.

Well, there were two posts specifically targeting steroids and amphetamines, so that's why those were addressed. The point on strychnine is valid and the 1860 case is certainly worth noting, though the other three drugs are typically not given a consensus view that they offer prolonged athletic enhancement when considered some of the immediate impacts and side-effects they offer (i.e. heart complications even in the immediate).

And, no the point is not that all old school players were saints. Certainly by the late '60's there was notable use of amphetamines in MLB, and it was a problem. So I'm not taking up that argument at all. The point was more that we need not conjure a revisionist history that performance-enhancing drug use was as widely spread during Ruth's time, and to a lesser extent, Maris', as it is today.

The argument was focused more to the point of the previous posts, but your points are certainly valid. And thank you for the naive comment - it's that type of erudition that always ensures to help a healthy dialogue.

I can't really tell if you're being sarcastic. Darn the internets and it's lack of emphasis. In the event that you were being sarcastic (as I suspect) I direct you to the bolded part of your own statements.

Glass houses, my friend

Well put, and I meant the "crack" remark as a play on the topic of drug use. But you are absolutely correct - there is no need for myself or anyone on this board to throw a jab that make be taken personally, even when in jest - and no sarcasm there at all, I mean that genuinely. Truce called, and my apologies :grouphug:.

 

[darocker80]

Like him or not, Bonds is the HR king. He has hit the most in a season and in a career.

Alex

Post THANKED!

 

[abncollectsautos]

the proof is in the puddin

so your saying that over a 20 year period someone cant lift weights and eat healthy and get big? its crap to compare pictures of many years apart. if you want to find pics, find some that are within a 24 month period