So... Beckett is Posting Their Prime Cuts Break Today

[Gellman]

A week before the release?

I am putting their chances at a Monster Pull at 1:1. Maybe this time, Donruss will actually remember to put a checklist in the box, unlike the ridculous National Treasures break from last year.

This is like my Christmas present from them. Thank you guys, you didnt have to. I know its the thought that counts.

A bloodbath is iminent. I am so excited.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I put the odds at 1:2 of a great pull. I'll be shocked if it isn't there.

 

[Guest]

Yep the pull the best card in the whole print run I'm sure.

 

[Gellman]

I put the odds at 1:2 of a great pull. I'll be shocked if it isn't there.

You know, I remember when ********* extraordinare, Tracy Hackler, got back from the National Card Show, he said that there were only a few people who didnt like what they did on their breaks.

I want to know what they have to say now, after they pull their videos from Youtube because of all the bashing.

 

[HPC]

Does it really surprise you.

"Well guys remember this is 100% legit, no fixing here. These boxes were pulled at random by the company for us to open. ....wait....what is this...i am so shocked right now...wow...just wow...guys it's an Adrian Peterson Exquisite Patch Auto 1/1!!! Wow, what are the odds of that happening!!!"

 

[sportscardtheory]

I love how Beckett constantly has "conflicts of interest", yet nothing is really ever done about it. They set prices for cards they "sell" and open hot-boxes full of cards that are no longer available to people who open that particular product. They grade cards and then set the prices for what they are worth... and their magazines and website SUCK now, and they basically laugh in our faces about it. They are like the "good ol' boys" of the card industry... I just hope they go the way of the Republican Party in 2008. Their name is becoming the joke of our hobby...

 

[All In Cards]

Thats why you should watch All In Cards Team Case Breaks. Always a blast...

 

[Guest]

Thats why you should watch All In Cards Team Case Breaks. Always a blast...

Or get in them as well. Always fun and super fast shipping too.

 

[Jaypers]

Wonder if the Beckett staff will be donning Donruss shirts or not....

 

[Guest]

Wonder if the Beckett staff will be donning Donruss shirts or not....

No they all got tattoos instead!

 

[All In Cards]

Wonder if the Beckett staff will be donning Donruss shirts or not....

I got a nice surprise for the next break.

 

[Gellman]

Wonder if the Beckett staff will be donning Donruss shirts or not....

No they all got tattoos instead!

Yup, to match the Upper Deck ones right above their Insert and Parallels if you know what I mean.

 

[RL24]

I am putting their chances at a Monster Pull at 1:1.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Manoman, that cracked me up.

Thanks!

 

[predatorkj]

I love how Beckett constantly has "conflicts of interest", yet nothing is really ever done about it. They set prices for cards they "sell" and open hot-boxes full of cards that are no longer available to people who open that particular product. They grade cards and then set the prices for what they are worth... and their magazines and website SUCK now, and they basically laugh in our faces about it. They are like the "good ol' boys" of the card industry... I just hope they go the way of the Republican Party in 2008. Their name is becoming the joke of our hobby...

I am not sure you can say they set the pricing for anything.If you want to be totally technical...what people will spend set the price.If beckett says a Bagwell rookie is worth $200 is anyone going to pay that for one?Probably not.People set the prices.

If what you are saying is true...I would imagine it wouldn't matter anyway because the market sets itself based upon what buyers are willing to pay.What good is becketts pricing if nobody even goes by it when making a purchase.I think the only and I mean the only thing it is good for is to set a tone of what the card can get.But I am very unacustumed to paying anything remotely close to book for anything.Not that I am against it but for the most part...everything seems to be had cheaper and sometimes maybe more.Some things go for more but what it is is the fact that some things actually are popular or rare and are able to command more than beckett would say they do.I am pretty sure I have paid way more than book for a few things but its because they never pop up.Beckett does not take this into account.They are slowly becoming nothing more than an advertisement book and grading company.Their prices mean little if anything.

And I do agree they always pull something sweet but I think its the card companies fault for giving them a juiced box.And I am quite sure things are juiced.I also believe certain boxes may go to certain dealers who buy the most.May not always be true but for the most part it seems to happen that way.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I love how Beckett constantly has "conflicts of interest", yet nothing is really ever done about it. They set prices for cards they "sell" and open hot-boxes full of cards that are no longer available to people who open that particular product. They grade cards and then set the prices for what they are worth... and their magazines and website SUCK now, and they basically laugh in our faces about it. They are like the "good ol' boys" of the card industry... I just hope they go the way of the Republican Party in 2008. Their name is becoming the joke of our hobby...

I am not sure you can say they set the pricing for anything.If you want to be totally technical...what people will spend set the price.If beckett says a Bagwell rookie is worth $200 is anyone going to pay that for one?Probably not.People set the prices.

If what you are saying is true...I would imagine it wouldn't matter anyway because the market sets itself based upon what buyers are willing to pay.What good is becketts pricing if nobody even goes by it when making a purchase.I think the only and I mean the only thing it is good for is to set a tone of what the card can get.But I am very unacustumed to paying anything remotely close to book for anything.Not that I am against it but for the most part...everything seems to be had cheaper and sometimes maybe more.Some things go for more but what it is is the fact that some things actually are popular or rare and are able to command more than beckett would say they do.I am pretty sure I have paid way more than book for a few things but its because they never pop up.Beckett does not take this into account.They are slowly becoming nothing more than an advertisement book and grading company.Their prices mean little if anything.

And I do agree they always pull something sweet but I think its the card companies fault for giving them a juiced box.And I am quite sure things are juiced.I also believe certain boxes may go to certain dealers who buy the most.May not always be true but for the most part it seems to happen that way.

I know that to be true... I used to work for one of the biggest online sellers of singles/boxes/cases. It is probably true for most of the big spenders though... Upper Deck is the worst offender I would believe.

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

Wonder if the Beckett staff will be donning Donruss shirts or not....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm calling it now Beckett pulls a really sweet Jackie Robinson.
You heard it here first. At least they should be getting a Jackie.
MOD EDIT, no need for hearsay and rumors to get unfairly started.

 

[Gellman]

I love how Beckett constantly has "conflicts of interest", yet nothing is really ever done about it. They set prices for cards they "sell" and open hot-boxes full of cards that are no longer available to people who open that particular product. They grade cards and then set the prices for what they are worth... and their magazines and website SUCK now, and they basically laugh in our faces about it. They are like the "good ol' boys" of the card industry... I just hope they go the way of the Republican Party in 2008. Their name is becoming the joke of our hobby...

I am not sure you can say they set the pricing for anything.If you want to be totally technical...what people will spend set the price.If beckett says a Bagwell rookie is worth $200 is anyone going to pay that for one?Probably not.People set the prices.

What good is becketts pricing if nobody even goes by it when making a purchase.I think the only and I mean the only thing it is good for is to set a tone of what the card can get.But I am very unacustumed to paying anything remotely close to book for anything.Not that I am against it but for the most part...everything seems to be had cheaper and sometimes maybe more.Some things go for more but what it is is the fact that some things actually are popular or rare and are able to command more than beckett would say they do.I am pretty sure I have paid way more than book for a few things but its because they never pop up.Beckett does not take this into account.They are slowly becoming nothing more than an advertisement book and grading company.Their prices mean little if anything.

And I do agree they always pull something sweet but I think its the card companies fault for giving them a juiced box.And I am quite sure things are juiced.I also believe certain boxes may go to certain dealers who buy the most.May not always be true but for the most part it seems to happen that way.

I have to disagree here, because for every person that goes by actual sell value on a card, there are stupid idiots who still use book value to purchase, trade, and sell cards.

Especially stores. Now, if beckett were to drop the prices on a product due to an infraction, I would think that the people who still use BV would drop their prices too. They wouldnt buy as much of the product, and they wouldnt buy as many singles off the secondary market. If they see that the product is HUGE in the guide (ZOMG!) they want it more and more. They buy more, they do more to get it, its completely stupid.

That is why accepting ad revenue and boxes from companies is a humongous conflict of interest. They control so much of the pricing, that they can change things in your favor if you spice it up for them, or **** you if you shoot their magazine in the dick.

I mean, look at the product reviews, have they ever given anything a bad review unless the manufactuer had already apologized?

 

[predatorkj]

I love how Beckett constantly has "conflicts of interest", yet nothing is really ever done about it. They set prices for cards they "sell" and open hot-boxes full of cards that are no longer available to people who open that particular product. They grade cards and then set the prices for what they are worth... and their magazines and website SUCK now, and they basically laugh in our faces about it. They are like the "good ol' boys" of the card industry... I just hope they go the way of the Republican Party in 2008. Their name is becoming the joke of our hobby...

I am not sure you can say they set the pricing for anything.If you want to be totally technical...what people will spend set the price.If beckett says a Bagwell rookie is worth $200 is anyone going to pay that for one?Probably not.People set the prices.

What good is becketts pricing if nobody even goes by it when making a purchase.I think the only and I mean the only thing it is good for is to set a tone of what the card can get.But I am very unacustumed to paying anything remotely close to book for anything.Not that I am against it but for the most part...everything seems to be had cheaper and sometimes maybe more.Some things go for more but what it is is the fact that some things actually are popular or rare and are able to command more than beckett would say they do.I am pretty sure I have paid way more than book for a few things but its because they never pop up.Beckett does not take this into account.They are slowly becoming nothing more than an advertisement book and grading company.Their prices mean little if anything.

And I do agree they always pull something sweet but I think its the card companies fault for giving them a juiced box.And I am quite sure things are juiced.I also believe certain boxes may go to certain dealers who buy the most.May not always be true but for the most part it seems to happen that way.

I have to disagree here, because for every person that goes by actual sell value on a card, there are stupid idiots who still use book value to purchase, trade, and sell cards.

Especially stores. Now, if beckett were to drop the prices on a product due to an infraction, I would think that the people who still use BV would drop their prices too. They wouldnt buy as much of the product, and they wouldnt buy as many singles off the secondary market. If they see that the product is HUGE in the guide (ZOMG!) they want it more and more. They buy more, they do more to get it, its completely stupid.

That is why accepting ad revenue and boxes from companies is a humongous conflict of interest. They control so much of the pricing, that they can change things in your favor if you spice it up for them, or frack you if you shoot their magazine in the dick.

I mean, look at the product reviews, have they ever given anything a bad review unless the manufactuer had already apologized?

While I can't refute your ideas about their magazines and their favoritism towards companies...I will say that a lot of the dinosaurs selling by BV are going by the wayside.

I never walk into any shop and expect to pay book value.I know I will not get everything for ebay prices but I don't expect to either.If I go to a shop and I ask what something is priced at...I don't mind them using the guide to come up with a price.But I have rarely run across too many people now days asking book for anything.Like I said before...its a rare occasion but sometimes things are priced over book and with good reason.

If I went to a shop and they wanted book for everything...I would turn around and walk out.I have had to do that probably about twice in my life so far.But if they look at a guide and the card books $50 and they tell me they want $35 and I tell them I will pay $30 they usually go for it.Of course that was a made up example but I don't have a problem with them using the guide.But its just that...a guide.Most of the time...your not going to get full book for anything.Now using it for trading is something I didn't account for and I can agree people do do this.But I also happen to think that that still does not determine the actual price of a sale.If no money exchanges hands...then the card still doesn't fetch what the book will.I may have a reggie bush auto and you may have a vince young auto.They may both book for $100.Then we trade them fair and square.Now if someone were to sell both autos...one may fetch $75 and one may fetch $60.Who knows.But the prices are always set by the buyer.Beckett will never be able to set the exact price a card can sell for.The best and I mean the best they can hope for is an average and even then...they are always off.I used to go by a medium that was between low and high book but even that doesn't seem to work.Beckett just can't control a market made up of people who decide what they are willing to pay.

 

[phxsunsfan]

New images posted, including the Ruth Cut:

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[Gellman]

I love how Beckett constantly has "conflicts of interest", yet nothing is really ever done about it. They set prices for cards they "sell" and open hot-boxes full of cards that are no longer available to people who open that particular product. They grade cards and then set the prices for what they are worth... and their magazines and website SUCK now, and they basically laugh in our faces about it. They are like the "good ol' boys" of the card industry... I just hope they go the way of the Republican Party in 2008. Their name is becoming the joke of our hobby...

I am not sure you can say they set the pricing for anything.If you want to be totally technical...what people will spend set the price.If beckett says a Bagwell rookie is worth $200 is anyone going to pay that for one?Probably not.People set the prices.

What good is becketts pricing if nobody even goes by it when making a purchase.I think the only and I mean the only thing it is good for is to set a tone of what the card can get.But I am very unacustumed to paying anything remotely close to book for anything.Not that I am against it but for the most part...everything seems to be had cheaper and sometimes maybe more.Some things go for more but what it is is the fact that some things actually are popular or rare and are able to command more than beckett would say they do.I am pretty sure I have paid way more than book for a few things but its because they never pop up.Beckett does not take this into account.They are slowly becoming nothing more than an advertisement book and grading company.Their prices mean little if anything.

And I do agree they always pull something sweet but I think its the card companies fault for giving them a juiced box.And I am quite sure things are juiced.I also believe certain boxes may go to certain dealers who buy the most.May not always be true but for the most part it seems to happen that way.

I have to disagree here, because for every person that goes by actual sell value on a card, there are stupid idiots who still use book value to purchase, trade, and sell cards.

Especially stores. Now, if beckett were to drop the prices on a product due to an infraction, I would think that the people who still use BV would drop their prices too. They wouldnt buy as much of the product, and they wouldnt buy as many singles off the secondary market. If they see that the product is HUGE in the guide (ZOMG!) they want it more and more. They buy more, they do more to get it, its completely stupid.

That is why accepting ad revenue and boxes from companies is a humongous conflict of interest. They control so much of the pricing, that they can change things in your favor if you spice it up for them, or frack you if you shoot their magazine in the dick.

I mean, look at the product reviews, have they ever given anything a bad review unless the manufactuer had already apologized?

While I can't refute your ideas about their magazines and their favoritism towards companies...I will say that a lot of the dinosaurs selling by BV are going by the wayside.

I never walk into any shop and expect to pay book value.I know I will not get everything for ebay prices but I don't expect to either.If I go to a shop and I ask what something is priced at...I don't mind them using the guide to come up with a price.But I have rarely run across too many people now days asking book for anything.Like I said before...its a rare occasion but sometimes things are priced over book and with good reason.

If I went to a shop and they wanted book for everything...I would turn around and walk out.I have had to do that probably about twice in my life so far.But if they look at a guide and the card books $50 and they tell me they want $35 and I tell them I will pay $30 they usually go for it.Of course that was a made up example but I don't have a problem with them using the guide.But its just that...a guide.Most of the time...your not going to get full book for anything.Now using it for trading is something I didn't account for and I can agree people do do this.But I also happen to think that that still does not determine the actual price of a sale.If no money exchanges hands...then the card still doesn't fetch what the book will.I may have a reggie bush auto and you may have a vince young auto.They may both book for $100.Then we trade them fair and square.Now if someone were to sell both autos...one may fetch $75 and one may fetch $60.Who knows.But the prices are always set by the buyer.Beckett will never be able to set the exact price a card can sell for.The best and I mean the best they can hope for is an average and even then...they are always off.I used to go by a medium that was between low and high book but even that doesn't seem to work.Beckett just can't control a market made up of people who decide what they are willing to pay.

Hey, I agree that BV, being the joke that it is, is going by the wayside, but that doesnt stop people from trying to use it as a pricing agent of some sort until that time. They may not use full book, im not sure who does, but they definitely go by a certain percentage. If beckett raised or dropped a product's products prices in the guide, the people's idea of value would change too. Higher values in beckett means higher sales across the board, even if the product is ****.

This is why I am not surprised that when they go crying to a manufacturer about blogs or FCB getting exclusives, they win. They have a lot to hold over the heads of the manufacturer. If the manufacturer doesnt cooperate, they could easily threaten to start the presses with bad stuff in regards to them. Its total crap. They may not come out and say that, but I would understand that to be the truth.

We know that a lot of the people in power are unethical, but its rare outside of the net to see people cast the shadows on the worst in the biz. I try, but my site makes pebble marks in the overall scheme. Its too tough to get dents that are noticible with a website that gets 450 hits a day.