So far who is your NL and AL ROY

[darocker80]

hanson walks too many guys

Hanson has a 20 inning scoreless streak currently going and has less than a 1.0 WHIP. Then again I am trying to convince someone who thinks a .200 hitter has a chance at the AL ROY ::facepalm::

Hanson has been dominant, but don't you expect higher K numbers?

when i think of Ks i think of last year with Edinson Volquez......he K'ed tons of people.....but he was throwing 105-110 pitches in 6 innings then he tailed off at the end of the season.....he can have 0 Ks as long as he has a 0 era lol.

Isn't he a strikeout pitcher?

Anyways i agree with what you are saying, has Hanson gone deeper than 6 innings? Haven't really followed him that much in the MLB.

 

[Sweetness]

AL Orioles home run machine Nolan Reimold

NL The Pirates guy who runs super fast

 

[Anthony K.]

In a thread that has nothing to do with the Giants, you still find a way to toss a guy in there?

Unbelievable.

You are annoyed so easily and make even less of a relevant post in the thread.

People have been posting about Porcello and the O's guy and was just wondering the board's thoughts...

Actually, he's not the only person who gets annoyed by you mentioning Sandoval, Lincecum, Alderson or some other Giant in just about EVERY thread you post in.

There was a thread about Dan Haren and YOU brought Lincecum into the argument, no one else.

 

[All The Hype]

AL: Brad Bergesen

NL: Tommy Hanson


No one with a bat has impressed me in the AL, porcello will fade as his innings increase....after tonight he will be 9-5 with a 3.90 ERA....the alarming part is that he doesn't strike anyone out for being a touted as a strike out pitcher. Porcello only managed to go 4 1/3 tonight and not even allowed to break 80 pitches.....playing half the game you better #1) score early and often #2) shut out your opponent. It will be hard for him to win more than 15 games.

Brad Bergesen if he can win against Beckett (tough task) would be 6-2 and have a sub 4.00 ERA. He has allowed 9 ER his last 45 innings pitched and has gone 7,8,9 innings consistently.

Bergesen has allowed 2 runs or less in 5 of his last 6 starts. The only time he allowed more than 2 was when the inherited runners scored on a 3-run HR.

I have compared the numbers for Bergesen and Porcello and they are mirror images of one another.

Porcello isn't a strikeout pitcher. He didn't strikeout many guys in the minors and he hasn't struck out many guys in the majors. That's because he's not a strikeout pitcher...yet. He throws sinkinging two seamers for about 85% of his pitches and it is effective because the late break is hard to hit solidly. He induces groundballs and generally is able to avoid lengthy at bats because of this.

You say that Bergesen's and Porcello's numbers "mirror" each other, and while their numbers are similar, Porcello has more wins and also posted a 5-win month in May. Even if Bergesen SHOULD have more wins than he does, the bottom line is that he doesn't, so if all their numbers were exactly even at the end of the year, but Porcello had three more victories, obviously he would win the award.

Regardless, Bergesen has been very tough this year.

 

[bradical]

AL:
Rick Porcello
Elvis Andrus
Andrew Bailey

NL:
Andrew McCutchen
Tommy Hanson
Gerrardo Parra
Sean West

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

Hanson looks legit, and I think he will win it in the NL.

But I would be remiss if I didn't bring up my boy Dexter Fowler! Has everyone forgotten? The numbers aren't spectacular (3 18 .243 .328), but he is the leadoff man and is playing a fantastic CF. He will (I hope) only get better.

 

[excel_B]

I absolutely agree with Sweetness on Nolan Reimold...

He has hit 4 game-winning HRs. He's now hitting in the 5th spot, .286 9HR 20RBIs
No offense, EricinCT, Bergesen has been tough, but needs more wins to strongly convince anyone to win the ROY

NL - If Cuth continues his impressive game, then he will win. I highly doubt he will continue that. Hanson needs to dominate and use his pitches more selectively...

My opinion...

 

[EricInCT]

AL: Brad Bergesen

NL: Tommy Hanson


No one with a bat has impressed me in the AL, porcello will fade as his innings increase....after tonight he will be 9-5 with a 3.90 ERA....the alarming part is that he doesn't strike anyone out for being a touted as a strike out pitcher. Porcello only managed to go 4 1/3 tonight and not even allowed to break 80 pitches.....playing half the game you better #1) score early and often #2) shut out your opponent. It will be hard for him to win more than 15 games.

Brad Bergesen if he can win against Beckett (tough task) would be 6-2 and have a sub 4.00 ERA. He has allowed 9 ER his last 45 innings pitched and has gone 7,8,9 innings consistently.

Bergesen has allowed 2 runs or less in 5 of his last 6 starts. The only time he allowed more than 2 was when the inherited runners scored on a 3-run HR.

I have compared the numbers for Bergesen and Porcello and they are mirror images of one another.

Porcello isn't a strikeout pitcher. He didn't strikeout many guys in the minors and he hasn't struck out many guys in the majors. That's because he's not a strikeout pitcher...yet. He throws sinkinging two seamers for about 85% of his pitches and it is effective because the late break is hard to hit solidly. He induces groundballs and generally is able to avoid lengthy at bats because of this.

You say that Bergesen's and Porcello's numbers "mirror" each other, and while their numbers are similar, Porcello has more wins and also posted a 5-win month in May. Even if Bergesen SHOULD have more wins than he does, the bottom line is that he doesn't, so if all their numbers were exactly even at the end of the year, but Porcello had three more victories, obviously he would win the award.

Regardless, Bergesen has been very tough this year.

Here is what I see:

Porcello has pitched 9 innings last two games going 0-1 with 7 ER and 6 walks against the White Sox and the As......his one game against the Red Sox,Yanks,Tor 0-3; 9.00 ERA he took the loss and got roughed up.......He has pitched 83 innings so far this year.........he pitched 125 last year.....he is a Boras client......he MAY pitch another 50-60 innings.....let's be fair and say 70 more innings this year.

He has played 15 games thus far.

Let's say he gets in 15 more games:

He has an average of 4 2/3 per start.

#1) that won't qualify for a win (like last night's game)
#2) In the first five frames the Tigers have to score runs
#3) In the first five frames the opposition has to score less runs
#4) the bullpen has to prevent the game from being tied.


What do you think....9-6 over the 15? Well, no....because 3-4 will be no decisions in all likelyhood.........7-5?

So he will finish hypothetically 15-10, 16-10 or 16-11.



Bergesen has 2 less starts and 3 less losses than Porcello. The difference is that he will be pitching in the 6th and 7th innings or later and when the offense gets into the opposing teams bullpen he will go from a no-decision to a win. Now, he could give up 9 runs to the red sox tomorrow afternoon, but I like his chances as a dark horse to surpass Porcello if he continues to struggle. The AL rookie class is WEAK.

 

[leatherman]

The rules for being a rookie have nothing to do with whether or not someone receives votes for ROY. Last year, Edinson Volquez received 3 second place votes for NL ROY, even though he was ineligible.

And (back on my soap box about this) in 1999 Pedro Martinez was denied the MVP when 2 voters left him off the ballot because they felt pitchers shouldn't get MVP awards, even though the guidelines for voting specifically say not to do such a thing.

The current voting system needs to be amended so that these sorts of things don't happen. Why does the BBWAA have rules/guidelines about voting if they aren't going to follow them. To me, if you don't follow the rules, you aren't allowed to ever vote again.

Boston Red Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez received eight first-place votes to Texas catcher Ivan Rodriguez's seven, but Rodriguez won the MVP by 13 points primarily because two writers left Martinez off their ballot completely.

The scribes, LaVelle Neal of the Minneapolis's Star-Tribune and George King of the New York Post, said they could not justify giving the award to a player who participates every fifth day. Also, they argued, pitchers are eligible for the Cy Young Award, which Martinez won unanimously in 1999. That, even though MVP voters were asked to recluse themselves if they felt they could not vote for a pitcher.

The outrage went beyond that felt by Boston's passionate fans. "It really made (writers) all look very dumb," said Buster Olney, who covers the Yankees for the New York Times. "people were operating under different rules. The question of eligibility is a very basic thing. People were determining eligibility for themselves."


David

 

[craw_song]

If Hanson should falter, I would have to believe that Colby Rasmus should be in the mix for NL ROY, he leads NL rookies in almost every offensive stat, and is also valuable defensively (and contributing on a solid team is always a bonus).

 

[sheetskout]

If Casey McGehee keeps hitting this way he'll be in consideration.

Great power lately.

 

[Hallsgator]

Ricky Romero and Tommy Hanson!

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

I think it's interesting (and great) that when the question was posted a month ago asking about NL ROY, the general response was "Eh, it's pretty weak right now," but we now have a number of viable candidates.

 

[EricInCT]

I think it's interesting (and great) that when the question was posted a month ago asking about NL ROY, the general response was "Eh, it's pretty weak right now," but we now have a number of viable candidates.

+1

If Sandoval didn't have a week's extra worth of at bats last year, we would not be having this conversation.

 

[ballerskrip]

If Hanson should falter, I would have to believe that Colby Rasmus should be in the mix for NL ROY, he leads NL rookies in almost every offensive stat, and is also valuable defensively (and contributing on a solid team is always a bonus).

He is batting .265....Can't imagine that his average is leading anything

 

[thefasterblade]

If Hanson keeps it up he will win it. McCutchen barely has a month's worth of work. I'd still put Colby Rasmus ahead of him.

 

[kentuckyderby]

I think in NL it will be in October McCutchen, Hanson then Rasmus

Take away the stats from Fowler's insane 6 steal game (one game) and he is not even in the top 7 or 8

AL can be interesting. Voters tend to lean towards hitters so if ChiSox make a run and Beckham gets his average in 275 range by September, it should be a tight race. Right now I like Nolan R

 

[J.O.]

hanson walks too many guys

Hanson has a 20 inning scoreless streak currently going and has less than a 1.0 WHIP. Then again I am trying to convince someone who thinks a .200 hitter has a chance at the AL ROY ::facepalm::

1.0 WHIP in his last twenty innings or over the year? i calculated his yearly WHIP at 1.4. if we're talking their current "streaks" then beckham is hitting .333 his last 11 games...

 

[miles.ngo]

In the NL, I'd going to go with the norm and say either Tommy Hanson or Andrew McCutchen--he's been impressive, but it was just like Dexter Fowler's first couple of weeks in the majors; we'll see if he pans out. Rasmus has also been pretty consistent all season too.

For the AL, I'm going to go with Andrew Bailey. He's been incredibly dominant for the A's; and he's been consistently impressive all season. Excellent command, high velocity--he's a true strikeout pitcher with 54 (2nd highest among all relievers). Combine that with a 2.14 ERA, 18/54 BB/SO ration, and a 1.01 WHIP, he's probably the best reliever the A's have had since Justin Duchscherer--and we've had quite a few very talented relievers. He's adapted to the closer's role very well, but the only unfortunate thing is that the A's are so terrible, he hardly gets any save opportunities; so to be honest, I doubt he'd follow Huston Street's footsteps to win AL ROY. My honest guess is that it'll be Porcello mainly due to his popularity among sports writers.

 

[EricInCT]

I just did a bit of research......Do you folks realize that we are annointing Andrew McCutchen and Hanson as the NL rookie of the Year........What about Gerardo Parra?

He has better numbers (more at bats, but if they took that in consideration all the call-ups batting .400 for a month would win) and more impressively has 0 at bats in triple-A ball. McCutchen has had 700 plate appearances in AAA and Parra has 0.

He has more homers, RBIs, and triples than McCutchen does.