So HOW LOW are the Five Star boxes going to fall?

[BBCgalaxee]

You plunk down around 500 for a pack.

JACKPOT! OH BOY LOADED!

in your pack you get:
Aaron auto
Griffey au gu
cabrera au
Prince au
Pujols jumbo gu

Guess what? You LOST money!

and that is a major reason $500 packs should be avoided.

 

[metallicalex777]

You plunk down around 500 for a pack.

JACKPOT! OH BOY LOADED!

in your pack you get:
Aaron auto
Griffey au gu
cabrera au
Prince au
Pujols jumbo gu

Guess what? You LOST money!

and that is a major reason $500 packs should be avoided.

I honestly think if you are busting this product to make money...you are taking a lousy gamble. Products like this (setting aside the condition now one expected until release) that this is an actual great product that both gives you a great chance to hit something nice to keep for PC along with something to sell/trade afterwards. If I hit the cards you listed I would easily redeem and keep the Griffey, sell the Cabrera, Prince and Pujols to get something for the PC and use the Hank Aaron as tradebait and be completely happy. You have to be in the position to be able to spend $500 knowing that NO PRODUCT can be had that guarantees you will break even/profit from it.

 

[thefatguy]

I thought the Topps monopoly was to bring more kids to the hobby by way of limiting the competition and having more low cost purchase options.

 

[RiceLynnEvans75]

Why does it always seem to come across as something new when people don't "get their return on investment" from breaking a box of cards? This shouldn't be a surprise, especially on something costing $500.

With that said, the poor condition of the cards IS uncalled for in a product that costs this much.

 

[BBCgalaxee]

I thought the Topps monopoly was to bring more kids to the hobby by way of limiting the competition and having more low cost purchase options.

Yeah me too.

But a third of their products have srp $50 up per PACK!

And then theres every kids favorite, retro cards using old time paper!

Bonus time! Prospects galore, all kids love low a players!

 

[Mario1975]

I thought the Topps monopoly was to bring more kids to the hobby by way of limiting the competition and having more low cost purchase options.

That's the real shame of the whole thing. Topps absolutely lied to get the exclusive license and has proceeded to focus more and more on high end products geared towards adults and gamblers instead of focusing on kids and collectors.

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[Mario1975]

I think the real issue with the product is not the return on investment or value, although that is a consideration. I think the major issue that is completely unacceptable is the condition of the cards and amount of redemptions.

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[Mario1975]

Another thing too, really curious to see if Topps actually comes through and fulfills the redemptions that are pulled, especially the books, multi-player autos and cut autos. If they don't that will be unforgivable.

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[All The Hype]

First off, that 99% number is bullXXXX

Yes there are investors here, but they aren't even the majority. No one buying five star is doing so because of the return on investment. It's entertainment plain and simple.

Second off, you can't use math to determine the cost of something unless you have more facts about the supply chain and the markup policy of the retail outlet.

I'd say most people in the hobby enjoy the fact that cards hold value over time. 99% is an exaggeration of course, but I'd guess there are fewer than 20% of people out there who don't even consider the fact that cards hold value, even if they plan to keep them forever.



As far as this product goes, I think it's pretty much the standard return on wax, it's simply on a larger scale. Instead of buying a $100 box and getting $20 of value (20% return, $80 loss), people are buying a $500 box and getting $100 of value (20% return, $400 loss). Same return, but people are flipping out because they just took a $400 bath.

 

[All The Hype]

What's alarming to me is that there aren't even ANY huge hits coming from the product.



For $500 a box, wouldn't you expect to see quite a few $500-$1000 value cards by now? Where are they? I know you get 5 hits per box, but it seems that 99% of everything in this product is worth $1-$200, with a handful of 1/1 letter patches and 8-man autos pulling a little more.


Take a look at current listings high to low: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...73.m570.l1313&_nkw=topps+5+star+2012&_sacat=0



Sure there are the chase cards that will sell for a couple thousand bucks, but for such a high end product, one would think 5-10% of the cards would provide at least 75% or more of the box price. Otherwise, why on earth is anyone opening this product? Just go grab the singles you want from eBay and save a few hundred dollars.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

That's the real shame of the whole thing. Topps absolutely lied to get the exclusive license and has proceeded to focus more and more on high end products geared towards adults and gamblers instead of focusing on kids and collectors.

This is silly, self-serving logic at best. How many products do kids - or anyone for that matter - really need? There's more than enough out there already for everyone.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I'd say most people in the hobby enjoy the fact that cards hold value over time.

:lol: What does this really mean... any real collector of modern cards knows most value disappears; most real collectors couldn't care less about value.

Otherwise I'd agree that this is probably the standard return on wax, I'm sure Topps (and other manufacturers) has some sort of formula that keeps people hooked on buying wax. Besides people who can afford to bust this stuff (which is probably less than 3% of people here) are likely financially secure enough to not care if they loose a few hundred on this stuff.

 

[phillyfan0417]

This is silly, self-serving logic at best. How many products do kids - or anyone for that matter - really need? There's more than enough out there already for everyone.

This is the problem with people like you. You like limited choices where most people think more choices are best. Why do you care if there was more?

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[uniquebaseballcards]

This is the problem with people like you. You like limited choices where most people think more choices are best. Why do you care if there was more?

This is pure rhetorical nonsense.

The problem with people like you is that you lack self-control and always want more. This addiction creates a huge mess that's decreased the number of people interested in the hobby.

 

[phillyfan0417]

This is pure rhetorical nonsense.

The problem with people like you is that you lack self-control and always want more. This addiction creates a huge mess that's decreased the number of people interested in the hobby.

How in the world does increased choice equal less interest?

I don't break wax and only buy singles. Wondering if the lack of choice adds to your artificial idea of self control.

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[All The Hype]

:lol: What does this really mean... any real collector of modern cards knows most value disappears; most real collectors couldn't care less about value.

It means that I think even collectors consider the perceived value of their cards, even if they never have any intention to sell. Why do you display the cards in your sig that you do? I'm sure there are other cards for each of those players that have better pictures, better design, etc., but instead, you show the ones in your sig because they are the valuable 1/1s, widely recognized in this hobby as rare/cool/impressive. If you did not even consider value, then we would probably see your aesthetic favorite base cards of each of those players instead.

How many people would still buy a $100 card if they knew the second they bought it, its value would permanently plummet to $0.00? Certainly some, but even collectors who never sell their cards still enjoy the fact that their cards do carry some value.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

It means that I think even collectors consider the perceived value of their cards, even if they never have any intention to sell. Why do you display the cards in your sig that you do? I'm sure there are other cards for each of those players that have better pictures, better design, etc., but instead, you show the ones in your sig because they are the valuable 1/1s, widely recognized in this hobby as rare/cool/impressive. If you did not even consider value, then we would probably see your aesthetic favorite base cards of each of those players instead.

How many people would still buy a $100 card if they knew the second they bought it, its value would permanently plummet to $0.00? Certainly some, but even collectors who never sell their cards still enjoy the fact that their cards do carry some value.

I display things I enjoy (as do others) hoping others might come to enjoy these things as well.

I don't display things to make people think I have money or to make others jealous of me. There's no competition here.

Otherwise I've bought plenty of stuff that's now worthless - that seems to be how life generally works LOL.

 

[sportscardtheory]

This is pure rhetorical nonsense.

The problem with people like you is that you lack self-control and always want more. This addiction creates a huge mess that's decreased the number of people interested in the hobby.

The hobby was "bigger" when there were many companies making licensed cards. You are saying that the hobby is "bigger" now. I disagree completely. Less product means less people involved because there isn't as much out there. You can say that more options lessens the hobby, but I think you are 100% wrong. I hope that at LEAST Panini gets a license so there is at least more choice.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

How in the world does increased choice equal less interest?

I don't break wax and only buy singles. Wondering if the lack of choice adds to your artificial idea of self control.

I think you could answer this: which garners more interest - base cards or non-base cards... and why?

 

[hive17]

This is silly, self-serving logic at best. How many products do kids - or anyone for that matter - really need? There's more than enough out there already for everyone.

For the life of me, I cannot understand your stance on this issue. You are the ONLY person who has fronted the arguement that there are "enough" products for the community, and that there shouldn't be any more, since you've decided we all have the right amount.

I don't get it. Please explain it to me how people wanting more selection is wrong.