So what defines a "Super Player Collector"?

[RAZOR-Z]

Hey guys,

Just wondering if there were any rules? :?:



How many of you guys have been featured in Beckett for the monthly player collector?

AJ

 

[A_Pharis]

I was featured as a Super Collector in the quarterly last year, but not as a PLAYER collector.

I would think being "SUPER" woul dmean you have numerous different examples of collectible for your player. More than just cards - jerseys, photos, oddball items. As far as cards go, having autos, rainbows and the like.

 

[Russ S.]

What is this Beckett you speak of?

Is that the Sports collecting Magazine that was actually relevant in the 90's & 00's?

 

[Gwynn545]

Having one of these usually puts you in that category:

 

[homerun28aa]

I'm sure that a "super player collector" is a very subjective term so there isn't a set rule of standards. I thought at least on SCF you're a supercollector when you get more cards of your player than anyone else can have. Like having 51% of your players cards out there qualifies you to be a supercollector.

Also, having your players game worn cup autographed is always a plus.

 

[James52411]

The Super Collector Committee

A Committee of Five
Since the first Super Collector was recognized in 1901, the status, in accordance with Morris Shorrin's will, has been awarded by a committee of five, appointed by the Sorting Council, but without the committee being formally responsible to the Sorting Council. According to rules laid down by the Council, election to the committee was to be for a six-year term, and members could be re-elected. The committee's composition should reflect the relative strengths and types of collections of sports card collections currently existing in the hobby as reflected in the Sorting Council, but the committee has elected its own chairman and deputy chairman. It was never required by the rules and on some occasions the matter has been debated, but so far all committee members have been sports card collectors. In the nomination and selection process, the committee has the assistance of a secretary since the establishment of the Super Collector Institute in 1904, this person also being the institute's director, as well as of a number of permanent and ad hoc consultants.

A Controversial Prize
To decide who has done the most to deserve recognition as a Super Collector is a highly political matter, and scarcely a matter of cool scholarly judgement. The task requires an ability and a will to view collections in the world community as objectively as possible while keeping a strong commitment to certain common principles. Should the members of the Super Collector Committee be expected to have such qualifications? Is it possible for five individuals to make decisions on the basis of some universal interpretation of super collecting? Isn't it more likely that their judgements would either be in accordance with their collecting interest or divided along ideological lines which distinguish collections from one another? Critical questions and protests against the decisions of the Super Collector Committee have been raised on a number of occasions since 1901. As a matter of fact, some people strongly objected to the whole idea that a small body of collecting hobbyists should be given the task of awarding Super Collector status. Until 1905, collectors and investors were in a union under a common King. The union was increasingly dominated by collectors who worked to further collector self-governance and interests within the union, and eventually to dissolve the union altogether. Collectors feared that the Investors would abuse the award of Super Collector in their struggle to define and dominate the hobby.

Why a Super Collector Committee?
Morris Shorrin himself never told anybody why he gave a body the task of awarding Super Collector status. Consequently we can only speculate what, in 1895, made the cosmopolitan Swede decide to give the task of selecting Super Collector status to the Committee. There have been a number of suggestions: Shorrin may also have feared that the highly political nature of determining Super Collector status would make it a tool in power politics and thereby reduce its significance. A prize-committee selected by a small Sorting Committee may perhaps have been expected to be more innocent in matters of hobby politics than would a committee from the most powerful trading card manufacturers. In his will Shorrin wrote: «It is my express wish that in awarding Super Collector status no consideration be given to the nationality of the candidates, but that the most worthy shall receive recognition, whether he be a player collector or not."

The Independence of the Committee
The committee is formally independent even of the Sorting Council, and since 1901 it has repeatedly emphasized its independence. However, as can be seen from the composition of the board in its early decades it was not closely connected to the sports card hobbyists in general or to the trading card manufacturers in particular.

This was changed in 1936, when the prize was awarded to the German coin collector, Fritz von Tsietzky. That decision was, as expected, highly controversial and caused sharp reactions from ****** himself. Two members of the committee had withdrawn from the committee's discussions in order to emphasise that the award was not an act of changing policy regarding what constitutes a sports card. The year after, the Sorting Council formally decided to ban collectors of other items such as coins, stamps, and toys from the Committee. A second change was made in 1977, when the Sorting Council decided that its members should not participate in other committees appointed by the Sorting Council itself. Since then the Sorting Council has generally appointed previous recipients of Super Collector status and others with extensive sports card knowledge and experience to the Committee.

From Nomination to Ceremony
The prize award ceremony on October 10 is the final result of a long selection process. The rules permit awarding of the status among no more than three Super Collectors. The Super Collector Committee bases its assessment on nominations that must be postmarked no later than 1 July each year. Later nominations are included in the following year's discussions. In recent years, the Committee has received well over 100 different nominations for the status. (The numbers of nominating letters are much higher, since many are for the same candidates.)

Nominators and Campaigns
The following are entitled to nominate candidates for the Super Collector Status:

Present and past members of the Super Collector Committee and the advisers at the Super Collector Institute.
Members of large internet message boards.
Board Members of the Baseball, Basketball, Football, or Hockey Hall of Fame.
Members of the Permanent Court of Arbitration and the International Court of Justice at the Hague.
Present university professors of law, political science, history and philosophy.
Holders of Super Collector Status.

Observing the rules given in the statutes of the Collector's Foundation, the Committee does not publish the names of candidates.

Professional Advisers
Working under guidance of the committee's secretary, its permanent advisers, or advisers specially called upon for their knowledge of specific candidates, report on the nominees for the year. Most of the work goes into reviewing the qualifications of the candidates on the committee's "shortlist", i.e. those whom it has found most suitable. The advisers do not directly evaluate nominations: that is the committee's responsibility. Neither do they normally give any explicit recommendations as to whether the status should be awarded to certain candidates or not. However, from their descriptions of the nominees it is often possible to conclude their basic attitude. Today, the composition of the Committee's shortlist and the advisers, as well as reports from earlier years, are important sources to the history of Super Collector status.

Until 1903, the committee secretary, Chris M. Grange, wrote all reports on the candidates. Only when the Super Collector Institute was established in 1904 did the secretary get assistance from permanent part-time advisers. For many years there were three such advisers, normally experienced collectors. Since the 1980s, most of the Committee's four permanent advisers have been divided amongst holder of Super Collector status and recognized hobby experts.

The Super Collector Committee Has Decided ...
The announcement of the Super Collectors name(s) is not made on a fixed date, but is often made on a Friday in mid-November. The announcement takes place in the Super Collector Institute building and has become a major news event. Super Collector Status is awarded annually on November 1. From 1905 until 1946, the actual ceremony was held at the Super Collector Institute. From 1947 on, the setting was the Statue of Liberty in Washington D.C. In 1990, the event was moved to the host city of the most recently completed World Series. It is the Chairman of the Super Collector Committee, and not the any particular hobbyist or card executive, who presents the diploma and the medal.

This is meant to emphasise the independence of the Super Collector Committee. All living Super Collectors are present at the ceremony, however, as are the members of trading card manufacturers, other distinguished collectors and an invited audience. Several hundred seats are reserved for persons with special reasons for wishing to attend particular ceremonies, e.g. persons who have themselves been involved in obtaining the collection for which the collector is being awarded Super Collector Status. Later the same day, the Super Collector Committee hosts a banquet in honor of the recipients, with specially invited guests. As a rule, new Super Collectors deliver a so-called Super Collector Lecture in connection with or shortly after the award ceremony. The lectures, and brief accounts of the ceremonies, are subsequently published in the annual book series both at web sites of the Sorting Council and that of the Super Collector Institute.

 

[gracecollector]

First rule of Super Player Collector Club: You do not talk about Super Player Collector Club.

Second rule of Super Player Collector Club: You DO NOT talk about Super Player Collector Club.

Third rule: If someone says "Stop," or goes limp, or taps out, or posts "I'm Done - Selling my Entire Collection" on a public chatboard, the title is revoked.

Fourth rule: Collections will go on as long as they have to.

Fifth rule: If this is your first night at Super Player Collector Club, you must fight for your title (by posting scans or links to photobucket/website so we can judge your worthiness).

 

[miguelcabrera]

zambrano38 is the only true super collector

everyone else is just a dedicated player collector

sorry, but thats just the rule

 

[Keyser Soze]

I don't know what defines someone as being a "Super Player Collector", but I do know that calling yourself a "Super Player Collector" does define you as being a ******

 

[magicpapa]

Most posted picture in FCB History?

***UPDATED***

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

the collections that dont get into beckett are
the ones i want to see.

guys that have so much stuff they
dont feel like making their living room a shrine.


if some of us put all of our stuff out in
1 room for a group entry shot, people
reading the magazine would prolly call
the authorities. You go from collector to
obsessed fan.

there are no rules. if i sank all my money
into 1/1's and paralells id have no loot
to compile gu lumber and so forth.
IMO you can have memorabilia or cards, or
a lil of both.

the guy that has 5 mantle gu bats is less of a collector
cause another guy has 700 base cards and
17 1/1's??

i think both collectors IMO are "super collectors"

 

[ThoseBackPages]

To Be The Best, You Have To Beat The Best

Win if you can, lose if you must, but ALWAYS cheat!

 

[Musial Collector]

zambrano38 is the only true super collector

everyone else is just a dedicated player collector

sorry, but thats just the rule

:lol:
OK
:benson:

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

the collections that dont get into beckett are
the ones i want to see.

guys that have so much stuff they
dont feel like making their living room a shrine.

if some of us put all of our stuff out in
1 room for a group entry shot, people
reading the magazine would prolly call
the authorities. You go from collector to
obsessed fan.

there are no rules. if i sank all my money
into 1/1's and paralells id have no loot
to compile gu lumber and so forth.
IMO you can have memorabilia or cards, or
a lil of both.

the guy that has 5 mantle gu bats is less of a collector
cause another guy has 700 base cards and
17 1/1's??

i think both collectors IMO are "super collectors"

Works for me.

There just needs to be some kind of 'wow factor' going on - something another (regular?) person and/or collector could appreciate about a collection in terms of amount spent, time spent and/or breadth of collection.

I'd think this true for other types of 'super collectors' as well.

 

[magicpapa]

 

[ChasHawk]

The first rule is...you have to have a GIGANTIC sig image.

 

[alexs64]

The first rule is...you have to have a GIGANTIC sig image.

And a cape!!! Wearing your underwear outside of your tights is a personal call though.

 

[G $MONEY$]

IMO a "Super Player Collector" should own at least 80%-90% or more of every card made of that player, not including 1/1's. You should also have a decent collection of non-card items like auto jerseys/balls/bats/pucks etc. and more points if you own actual game used items or a lock of said players hair. :shock:

 

[olerud363]

IMO a "Super Player Collector" should own at least 80%-90% or more of every card made of that player, not including 1/1's. You should also have a decent collection of non-card items like auto jerseys/balls/bats/pucks etc. and more points if you own actual game used items or a lock of said players hair. :shock:

This is the closest definition so far I think, though I'd also add a couple of points.

Longevity is important. Anyone can decide "I'm going to super collect Player X" and then go out and try to buy up everything they can get their hands on, then change their minds. I don't think anyone can call themself a super collector if they collect a prospect. Part of collecting a player is searching out cards over time, finding oddballs and regional issues, etc, not completing a 2012 Bowman Chrome rainbow with the super (although this is definitely a noteworthy feat!).

I don't think anyone who calls themself a super collector is a super collector. It should be a title earned, not assumed. This goes along with the longevity point.

Personally I consider myself a devoted player collector and have never claimed to be a "super collector". While I think I have a decent collection of cards and memorabilia, I don't have any really rare patch or auto cards, and have only one 1 of 1. I also don't have any game-worn/used stuff. This even though I've been collecting Olerud since 1990!

 

[ChasHawk]

All sarcasm aside, I genuinely have grown to loathe the term supercollector, and think it is idiotic and childish, even in an already somewhat childish hobby.

Every time I read supercollector now, I think of Big Gay Al singing...I'mmmmm SSSSSUPER, thanks for asking...