Some of my thoughts on Penn/GSP

[Guest]

Ok, first let me say that Georges and BJ are both two of my favorite fighters in the world. And they are both two of the pound for pound best to. BJ did a ton of trash talking leading up to the fight. Even as far as saying he was going to literally try and end GSP's life in the octagon. He told GSP at the weigh in that he cut too much weight. This fight was hyped up and touted as the career defining moment, and most epic fight in both of these guys mma careers. I am talking like Muhammad Ali vs Joe Frazier type of ****. Well, the fight starts. The first round was very even. I had Georges winning the first round by a small margin, he seemed to control the round more. Many people I was watching the fight with thought BJ took the first round. Either way it was close. Through the next three rounds GSP dominated BJ. It seemed like he could land any kick or punch at will, and take BJ down to the ground at any time. GSP looked like he was near finishing BJ on a few occasions.
So the fourth round ends and BJ walks to his corner. He doesn't even sit down. Just puts his head against the cage and stands there. Soon he is shaking his head no and the fight is called. Georges St. Pierre winner via Penn being a *****? That's what I seen. And I love Penn. But to just quit like that is a bitch move in my opinion. He was getting beat down and he KNEW if he went out for the 5th round that GSP would finish him. And BJ would rather quit than have that knockout highlight around for the rest of his career. Which is why I say that was a bitch move. I have seen several fighters take a MUCH WORSE beating than that and not quit. Jon Fitch against GSP, and Heath Herring against Brock Lesnar come to mind. Herring and Fitch took MUCH more of a brutal beat down and never gave up. Hell, Herrings face was literally shattered the first punch of the fight. and he didn't quit. But BJ knew he was getting beat down so he just quit.
I said before the fight started that I didn't see it in BJs face when he stepped in the cage. He just didnt look right to me. I don't think he was in the right state of mind last night to be fighting someone the caliber of GSP. And apparently he wasn't. I expected so much more from BJ last night, and I am VERY disappointed in his performance. I was expecting a once in a lifetime fight for the ages between these two great warriors in the prime of their careers Hearns vs Haggler style ****. But what I seen was a fight who had nothing at all to counter anything GSP had to throw at him. Which is a shame. Maybe I am spoiled, but I expected so much more. Sure BJ, you knew you were going to lose at the end of the 4th round, but that is no reason to be a little bitch and not continue. Quitting is much worse than losing. He was getting beat down for sure, and took a brutal beating that 4th round, but he was able to continue, he just didn't WANT to. And THAT is being a bitch to me.

 

[Ty Hope]

Strongly disagree. There is being tough, and there is being stupid. I watched the fight and he had nothing for GSP, nothing at all. Why would he go into the fifth round and risk serious injury when he probably had blurry vision was completely out of gas. To get pummelled more? The fight should have been stopped in the 4th.

As far as "being able to continue", was he? He would have been a punching bag. This is a professional sport and not a back yard brawl. I hear what your saying, but think it over. If BJ went out there, he would have got KOd. No question there. It may have made some fans happy, but it would have been suicide.

 

[Russ S.]

It was a medical stoppage/referee stoppage. Not a "throw in the towel" quit.
I guess your buddies and the booze blurried your vesion of rational thinking.

That is the difference between MMA and that trash garbage rastlin' you watch.
BJ got dominated by a natually bigger and stronger guy. BJ should stay at 155 as has been mentioned alot.
IF GSP would be able to drop that much weight and fight at lightweight, I don't see him being strong enough to take BJ.
My 2 pesos.

 

[MojoDan]

As I have said in the past, I am a fan of both, but GSP is my absolute favorite. What i would like to see is GSP getting more credit for his performance, rather than accolades by extension from the match being halted the way it was. GSP can make some of the strongest BJJ guys look like white belts. Cany believe how advanced his wrestling has gotten over the past few months. I am guessing that his work with Rashad has a lot ot do with that.


Any way, I hope to see Penn rebound and cant wait for the Florian fight. Kenflo is beyond underrated as far as I am concerned...

 

[NECpilgrims8]

It was a medical stoppage/referee stoppage. Not a "throw in the towel" quit.
I guess your buddies and the booze blurried your vesion of rational thinking.

That is the difference between MMA and that trash garbage rastlin' you watch.
BJ got dominated by a natually bigger and stronger guy. BJ should stay at 155 as has been mentioned alot.
IF GSP would be able to drop that much weight and fight at lightweight, I don't see him being strong enough to take BJ.
My 2 pesos.

Russ, they actually showed BJ's corner tell them to stop the fight. His brother apparently made the call and it was the right move, IMO. What's the point in going out there to take on more damage, when he got completely worked by GSP. Clearly, the odds of GSP getting KO'd is very slim at round #5, so it was the right call for his safety.

Sam, Everytime I read your posts, I get one thing out of them --- YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SPORT OF MMA! Before you start giving your little rants about MMA, maybe you should read up on the sport and maybe train a little bit. It might completely change your opinion on what it takes to be a top fighter in the sport, not to mention and actual skills needed.

Nothing pisses me off more than people who only want to see brutality from the sport, rather than understand all the little parts that make it so great. If you want to see stupidity and brutality, then go watch your WWE crap.

 

[MojoDan]

I wonder if Sam is feeling this way because of all of the prefight wonds by Penn. If he hadn't said those things would you still feel the way you do about the performance?

 

[Guest]

I wonder if Sam is feeling this way because of all of the prefight wonds by Penn. If he hadn't said those things would you still feel the way you do about the performance?

I didn't really mention much about that in my original post. All of that was a copy and paste job from MySpace Bulletin that I did on my cell phone at work.

If BJ hadn't been calling GSP a quitter leading up to the fight then I wouldn't be so hard on him. But for BJ to call GSP a quitter, and say he was going to try and literally end his life and the just quit is inexcusable in my opinion.

And for the person who said it was a doctor stoppage, you are WRONG! It was a corner stoppage. BJ was in his corner, never sat down, put his arms up on the top of the cage, and his head down and was shaking it no as his brother (I think) was standing up above the cage and he gave the throat slash motion that the fight was over and BJ didn't want to continue.

It was a victory due to TKO, corner stoppage. Not a doctor stoppage. BJ quit. His corner quit. The doctor didn't quit for him.

 

[MojoDan]

I wonder if Sam is feeling this way because of all of the prefight wonds by Penn. If he hadn't said those things would you still feel the way you do about the performance?

I didn't really mention much about that in my original post. All of that was a copy and paste job from MySpace Bulletin that I did on my cell phone at work.

If BJ hadn't been calling GSP a quitter leading up to the fight then I wouldn't be so hard on him. But for BJ to call GSP a quitter, and say he was going to try and literally end his life and the just quit is inexcusable in my opinion.

And for the person who said it was a doctor stoppage, you are WRONG! It was a corner stoppage. BJ was in his corner, never sat down, put his arms up on the top of the cage, and his head down and was shaking it no as his brother (I think) was standing up above the cage and he gave the throat slash motion that the fight was over and BJ didn't want to continue.

It was a victory due to TKO, corner stoppage. Not a doctor stoppage. BJ quit. His corner quit. The doctor didn't quit for him.

I figured that factored in to your methodology Sam, I know you like both fighters