SOOOOO funny...how my Razor prices have ended recently...

[autocut]

let an exclusive get hype and see what happens


and no, I am not talking about weeks

Its all in marketing.

 

[MacK]

Yeah, Razor's still a baby in the card world. Of course, there seems to be quite a few people who have problems with them, and boycott them. I don't necessarily have a problem with them, but I haven't bought one card. I just prefer Bowman, nothing personally.

 

[darocker80]

Yeah, Razor's still a baby in the card world. Of course, there seems to be quite a few people who have problems with them, and boycott them. I don't necessarily have a problem with them, but I haven't bought one card. I just prefer Bowman, nothing personally.

That's exactly what i think haha.

 

[Vagrant]

I still can't believe that after all this time we as prospectors can't decipher the fact that we're buying cards from each other and that "the market", is what we're willing to drop into it. Popular opinion on these boards represents at least half of the battle in terms of what people want to invest in. Just like the old beckett boards, if you want to sell something at an increased price just start a hype thread and if you can get enough people to agree with you, ebay searches for that player go sky high.

Chances are good if you sell a prospect card, you're selling it to somebody else that thinks the ceiling on the card is higher than you do. With the rare amount of prospect "player collectors", we're just borrowing these cards from each other based on the ebbs and flows of the market. Whoever gets out last is left holding the bag for all the profits gained and lost on that piece of cardboard you're holding that is now worthless or locked in value when they become MLB regulars and the only guys buying their cards are actual fans of the players.

The reason for that diatribe is the following: With as many people that hold the torch for "Chrome is King", and "Razor SUCKS!", you're going to have to eventually recognize that prospectors aren't going to buy those cards from you unless they're razor prospectors too. So for everybody that "hates" Razor cards, you need to convince everybody else that these cards are legit or else they're no more valuable than Just autographs. So right off the bat, half of your potential buyers on a player aren't going to be buying because they're biased against your product. They'll look elsewhere. They'll look to Sterling or later issued Chrome on principal alone. As for the exclusives? You may make some money from each other on those but probably not as much as you're thinking. Nowhere near the kind of return you'd see on a Chrome "exclusive" created indirectly by another product not including him in their release.

With more people turning against Razor by the day because the ROI on them is not where it needs to be, you're going to be holding Just autographs before too long. Just my opinion.

 

[masonphillip]

There is undoubtedly a good deal of risk in holding Razor autos, in addition to the usual risk of what the prospect will do you have more company risk then you do with a Bowman Chrome. That is, the risk that Razor goes the way of Just rather than the way of Bowman Chrome.

That being said, if you think Razor will do alright AND you like your prospect I think the buy-in prices are there to justify some investment. If Razor comes out with good 2009 products this will help their 2008 products be viewed with some legitimacy.

That being said, there is no way Razor is going to compete head to head with Bowman Chrome, Bowman Sterling or other more established brands right now, which is why Santana isn't a good example. It is also why most will not buy Razor autos of him.

However, if 12 months from now, you sell a Justin Smoak Gold Auto for half of what you bought it for and in the mean time he's done nothing but crush the ball, then you have a real issue.

Prospecting is all about taking risks of course, this is just a different kind of risk than we are typically used to.

 

[cgilmo]

the thing is

No one ever said they would compete head to head with bowman right out of the gate.

 

[darkman]

Excellent last two post... I have nothing against razor but I just dont think you will be able to turn a ton of profit..And like the other guys said... with razor not being accepted by so many your potention buyers are fewer..

 

[masonphillip]

Excellent last two post... I have nothing against razor but I just dont think you will be able to turn a ton of profit..And like the other guys said... with razor not being accepted by so many your potention buyers are fewer..

Although I do agree currently, as has been said time and time again, Razor has very little publicity in the current marketplace, outside of FCB, which we've acknowledged is a small subset of total card collectors.

So although there may be some firmly held opinions here on the boards, there are many who just don't have one at all. I guess to put it in political terms, there are a lot of independents left out there and Razor is still in the beginning stages of their campaign to gain support.

 

[cgilmo]

I am not even saying that they will gain that support. Will they? Won't they? I dunno, hell your guess is just as good as mine.

I buy players, not brands.

 

[autocut]

you never know. Razor could turn out to be 1986-87 Fleer basketball or early Star co. When they first came out, you couldn't give the product away. It will take time, but all depends on how the exclusives do years later.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Has there been a "hot" player make the Major Leagues with ONLY a Razor auto yet? That will be the real test.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

you never know. Razor could turn out to be 1986-87 Fleer basketball or early Star co. When they first came out, you couldn't give the product away. It will take time, but all depends on how the exclusives do years later.

There was no Topps basketball in the late 80s. 86-7 Fleer Basketball was all there was. Fleer was an established name.

I knew Fleer. Fleer was my friend. Razor, you're no Fleer.

 

[sportscardtheory]

you never know. Razor could turn out to be 1986-87 Fleer basketball or early Star co. When they first came out, you couldn't give the product away. It will take time, but all depends on how the exclusives do years later.

There was no Topps basketball in the late 80s. 86-7 Fleer Basketball was all there was. Fleer was an established name.

I knew Fleer. Fleer was my friend. Razor, you're no Fleer.

Plus those companies were licensed.

 

[thefasterblade]

I wonder what the Gold Santas which sold for over $200.00 would get.

 

[masonphillip]

you never know. Razor could turn out to be 1986-87 Fleer basketball or early Star co. When they first came out, you couldn't give the product away. It will take time, but all depends on how the exclusives do years later.

There was no Topps basketball in the late 80s. 86-7 Fleer Basketball was all there was. Fleer was an established name.

I knew Fleer. Fleer was my friend. Razor, you're no Fleer.

Plus those companies were licensed.

Maybe its just me but I think the licensing aspect of things is declining in importance. Donruss hit products last year Contenders and Prime Cuts and the year before EEE seem to support this theory.

 

[masonphillip]

I wonder what the Gold Santas which sold for over $200.00 would get.

Nowhere near that much, then again, that was a clash of some high snipes.

 

[Lars]

It matters less if the company releasing the unlicensed product is an established brand like Donruss/Leaf/Playoff/Panini as opposed to a company that started up just recently.

you never know. Razor could turn out to be 1986-87 Fleer basketball or early Star co. When they first came out, you couldn't give the product away. It will take time, but all depends on how the exclusives do years later.

There was no Topps basketball in the late 80s. 86-7 Fleer Basketball was all there was. Fleer was an established name.

I knew Fleer. Fleer was my friend. Razor, you're no Fleer.

Plus those companies were licensed.

Maybe its just me but I think the licensing aspect of things is declining in importance. Donruss hit products last year Contenders and Prime Cuts and the year before EEE seem to support this theory.

 

[beefycheddar]

Wossa is the reason these started so high. That is why selling no will lose you money. He has what he wanted.

 

[95vr4]

I wonder what the Gold Santas which sold for over $200.00 would get.

+1.

 

[Jaypers]

I wonder what the Gold Santas which sold for over $200.00 would get.

Only two people own any. One who bought 13 of the 14 made. And me.