Steroids handled with Legalism= Harsh penalties.

[thegreathambino]

This year in social studies, we learned many things, including Legalism, which is a type of government, which isn't practiced much anymore, with very harsh penalties for any law breaking.

Why can't Legalism help us stop steroids use?

Whats in the past, is in the past, and we can't do anything about that anymore. But to make sure the futures of Baseball is clean of steroids.

If anyone , starting at the beggining of spring training of the 2010 season, if you get caught taking steroids, you face harsh penealties, suspension till the all star break. If you get caught 2 times, you get a full suspension from a season. 3 times, banned from baseball, and HOF

 

[smapdi]

That's pretty much what we have now. First offense=50 games (sounds harsh to me), I forget what the second and third strikes get you, but eventually you're out permanently.

The problem is risk vs. reward. If you use banned substances, you might be rewarded with millions and millions of dollars. If you get caught using them, you lose your reputation, which doesn't mean a whole lot to many players. And, in the case of Manny Ramirez, he didn't even lose that, it seems, at least in LA. Cheat badly enough, you can lose your livelihood, but that happens to all players eventually, anyway. In the meantime, glory and dollars are showered upon you.

And there's a very good chance you won't get caught. Rather than harsher penalties, they need stricter testing routines. Let's say the entire roster has to pee in a cup at home plate right each night before the National Anthem. I mean, not one big cup, everyone gets his own cup. That will stem the steroid tide quickly.

 

[thegreathambino]

And there's a very good chance you won't get caught. Rather than harsher penalties, they need stricter testing routines. Let's say the entire roster has to pee in a cup at home plate right each night before the National Anthem. I mean, not one big cup, everyone gets his own cup. That will stem the steroid tide quickly.

yea, i forgot about that, strick testing. Thats probably what should happen

 

[jumbojohnny]

They should reserve the right for a team to only have to pay 50% of that years salary, and nothing during the games which are suspended.

If the money is what the players are after, start taking more of it away.

How would you feel if you were contracted to make $20 million this year, got caught cheating, and now will only make $10 million, and you loose 50 games worth of pay on top of all that?

If you arent getting paid that much, only $1 million a year, and that happens, it means more than if you are A-Rod.

That's pretty much what we have now. First offense=50 games (sounds harsh to me), I forget what the second and third strikes get you, but eventually you're out permanently.

The problem is risk vs. reward. If you use banned substances, you might be rewarded with millions and millions of dollars. If you get caught using them, you lose your reputation, which doesn't mean a whole lot to many players. And, in the case of Manny Ramirez, he didn't even lose that, it seems, at least in LA. Cheat badly enough, you can lose your livelihood, but that happens to all players eventually, anyway. In the meantime, glory and dollars are showered upon you.

And there's a very good chance you won't get caught. Rather than harsher penalties, they need stricter testing routines. Let's say the entire roster has to pee in a cup at home plate right each night before the National Anthem. I mean, not one big cup, everyone gets his own cup. That will stem the steroid tide quickly.

 

[allstars]

Don't forget also that you are dealing with a Players' UNION, and that they can & will go on strike if they don't like something.

Hmmm, if they did maybe some of these worthless Team USA autos might become worth something ;-)

 

[Penno]

Don't forget also that you are dealing with a Players' UNION, and that they can & will go on strike if they don't like something.

Hmmm, if they did maybe some of these worthless Team USA autos might become worth something ;-)

Exactly. MLB can really only get as strict on this issue as the Union will allow them.

 

[ChasHawk]

I don't know about the 50% thing, but players never get payed for games they are suspended.
Manny lost roughly $7 mildough for his stupidity this season.

 

[thefasterblade]

Just legalize steroids.

 

[nborton]

Don't forget also that you are dealing with a Players' UNION, and that they can & will go on strike if they don't like something.

Hmmm, if they did maybe some of these worthless Team USA autos might become worth something ;-)

Exactly. MLB can really only get as strict on this issue as the Union will allow them.

While true, where are the players going to play if they strike for a long time? They aren't going to get paid nearly the amount of money they do in MLB playing elsewhere.

I think the league is too worried about the player's union. The players would cave eventually after not having any income for a season or two if it took that long. And on the union's side it's pretty dumb to not want strict testing. It's good for the game. Which in turn helps the popularity, and eventually the player's paychecks.

It seems to me too that the players who aren't roiding would speak up and want strict testing, because it's taking money out of their pockets since they aren't putting up unrealistic numbers and getting huge contracts because of it.

 

[matfanofold]

If it were up to me, it would be like this...

Get caught using in college, your done playing sports in college for good.

Get caught using in a professional sport, your banned for life.


The only wat to rid of it completely is to have the bodies swinging from the trees so to speak.

 

[HPC]

Why can't Legalism help us stop steroids use?

Because in America, legalism is not the form of government we rely on or use.

Using legalism to stop steroid use is like like implementing Communism to stop robberies from happening.

Not everyone does steroids, nor does everyone rob people.

It's a nice thought though

 

[Anthony]

This year in _____________, we learned many things, including...

That sounds like the opening line from many student essays I've read over the years.

 

[3and20]

Just legalize steroids.

True that. I thought I was the only one who thought that. Just make sure the players sign a waiver of liability for their health that the players are responsible for whatever they take into their body.

 

[3and20]

This year in social studies, we learned many things, including Legalism, which is a type of government, which isn't practiced much anymore, with very harsh penalties for any law breaking.

Why can't Legalism help us stop steroids use?

Whats in the past, is in the past, and we can't do anything about that anymore. But to make sure the futures of Baseball is clean of steroids.

If anyone , starting at the beggining of spring training of the 2010 season, if you get caught taking steroids, you face harsh penealties, suspension till the all star break. If you get caught 2 times, you get a full suspension from a season. 3 times, banned from baseball, and HOF

You should get your money or your parents money back. Legalism is not a type of goverment, but a type of law enforcement. Really there are only two types of governments that last: Republic and Oligarchy. The rest fall into those systems of goverment.

 

[bradical]

The MLB front office places a permanent ineligibility on a guy who gambles on the sport, however, slaps a guy on the wrist who cheats in the game.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

The MLB front office places a permanent ineligibility on a guy who gambles on the sport, however, slaps a guy on the wrist who cheats in the game.

Steroids is a debatable issue. I don't think anybody disagrees with a lifetime ban for gambling on the game (aside from HOF eligibility).

 

[matfanofold]

Here is an idea....

Make steroid testing random and sublet it out to a impartial 3'rd party company. If a player is cought using, he will be suspended for one year, his manager will be docked 1 months pay and his team owner fined 1 million dollars for every offence. Let it start to hit the pocket(s) of thoes who promote within and see how long it lasts.

 

[championMan]

If you get caught 2 times, you get a full suspension from a season. 3 times, banned from baseball, and HOF

If u get caught the second time is enough for me to ban U from baseball period. How can someone break the law of the land (buying and distributing illegal substance to teammates) and get away without any penalty prior to 2003?. As for HOF that is up to the sport writer to decide to vote or not.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

If you get caught 2 times, you get a full suspension from a season. 3 times, banned from baseball, and HOF

If u get caught the second time is enough for me to ban U from baseball period. How can someone break the law of the land and get away without any jail time. As for HOF that is up to the sport writer to decide to vote or not.

Baseball could ban someone from the Hall, a la Jackson and Rose.

Of course, it was up to the writers for them for a long time until the Commish changed the rules.