Flags fly forever. There is no science that says that there is a quantifiable difference in risk between 160 and 200 innings. Throw him and give him MRI's before and after each game to make sure there is no damage.
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Strasburg and his inning limit for this season. What would you do?
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bigpapiMA32
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How does shutting him down completely risk reinjury? Pitchers are shut down completely all offseason and don't injure themselves in the spring. As long as he works out safely, I see no harm in him not throwing another pitch this year.
HPC
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You are quite naive to think that pitchers just stop completely throwing once the off season hits.
And yes, they also do injure themselves during spring training.
He needs to be competitively pitching (not just bullpens and long toss) or else he risks not only hurting himself but losing the in-game mentality that can make or break guys during a playoff run
They do that then end up losing their playoff spot, then they have to make it next year or Rizzo is gone.
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I completely agree, Rizzo would end up being one of the most hated people in DC.
joey12508
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let him pitch. they screwed joba chamberlain with those stupid joba rules. he still got injured.
bigpapiMA32
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I meant a pitch in a major league game. Obviously I know that pitchers throw in the offseason.
I agree that if he is to pitch in the playoffs, he should see game action every once and a while the rest of the way.
And I'm not sure loss of mentality would be a problem for him. He came back at the end of last year after a long time off and looked as focused as ever.
Overall, I agree with some of the people in this thread that he should be shut down. They can contend without him this year, and a healthy Stras throwing 200+ innings over the next five years gives them many opportunities. I know they haven't won much in a while, but I see this year as the beginning of a good era rather than any kind of closing window.
padremurph
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I think they should just let him keep pitching. They were super cautious in his rookie year and he still ended up with getting TJ. If there were a science to it then by all means shut him down but it's all just speculation and stats at this point (re-injuring becomes more probable after 160+ innings, etc).
If they do let him keep pitching I think keeping him on the same starting schedule is important. I think pitching in relief and then starting again could cause issues as I'm sure Stras has a standard routine he is accustomed to.
If they do let him keep pitching I think keeping him on the same starting schedule is important. I think pitching in relief and then starting again could cause issues as I'm sure Stras has a standard routine he is accustomed to.
pootshwan
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I agree. He's already had 1 major surgery. How many millions do they have invested in him...do you want to risk it?
markakis8
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Couldn't agree more.
I would be interested to know how they came up with the number 160 anyway? LOL Why not 165? Why not 170? why not 150? I mean seriously. You monitor it on a game to game basis...if he looks like he's hurting, give him an extra day's rest or two, or let him miss his next start. The guy is talented enough that he doesn't need to be out there every 5th day to get into a groove like some pitchers.
There's nothing wrong with being cautious about a pitcher you have invested millions in, there is something wrong with completely babying him so much that it risks your franchise's FIRST shot at a World Series APPEARANCE. Rizzo should be labeled an idiot if he completely shuts him down.
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jbone17
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Shutting Strasburg down would be completely foolish. The Nats fans finally have something to cheer about of they make the postseason. The fans want to see Stephen dominate. They do not want to see John Lannan. The worst part about baseball today is the innings limit. Money has completely changed the game because teams are superstitious about their guns breaking and quite frankly it is annoying. Let Strasburg pitch because it is the correct move. Like J.P. said, it the Nats want to win, he will pitch.
fsulevine
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I say go to a 6-man rotation down the stretch to give him a little extra time. Then, let him pitch 5-7 innings a game (pull him at any point after 5 if they have a 3-run lead or more). If they fall out of contention, then shut him down immediately. Let him pitch in the playoffs if they do make it.
RL24
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I think it would be wise to shut him down. They are going to need him when they go on their 10 year streak of winning the NL East.
Frow
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It's not superstitious, it's an issue from the bottom up of baseball. As someone who is a fan of a team that currently has 4 of their guys on the DL after getting Tommy John Surgery this year it's understandable wanting to be cautious. But going from one extreme to the other isn't going to help anything either half the reason players that are 30+ can go 200ip or more is because they got to eat up innings in their youth.
Pine Tar
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I would just give him to Larry Rothschild and watch his arm fall off.
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George_Calfas
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homerun28aa
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Everything you guys are saying makes sense:
It is beneficial for the Nats organization for the year, they'll generate more revenue, they'll have the better chance to win the NL east, they fans will be the most pleased. And some of you guys are saying tomorrow isn't guaranteed are 100% right who knows if the Nats will have another shot at the playoffs for the next hundred years? It's unlikely but possible.
But for the next 10 years, is the right move for the Nats to completely remove his limit? I'll say this, IFFF this is the best chance the Nats will have in the next 5-6 years to win it all (world series title) then let Strassburg kill his arm, but if they think they can still contend this year and develop Harper and Strassburg more, maybe Dunn has a couple more league leading HR seasons, etc., then I'd say hold him off. One thing is for sure Strassburg is a competitor but he's also a team player he'll do what the organization decides and he won't go in the media bashing the decision.
It is beneficial for the Nats organization for the year, they'll generate more revenue, they'll have the better chance to win the NL east, they fans will be the most pleased. And some of you guys are saying tomorrow isn't guaranteed are 100% right who knows if the Nats will have another shot at the playoffs for the next hundred years? It's unlikely but possible.
But for the next 10 years, is the right move for the Nats to completely remove his limit? I'll say this, IFFF this is the best chance the Nats will have in the next 5-6 years to win it all (world series title) then let Strassburg kill his arm, but if they think they can still contend this year and develop Harper and Strassburg more, maybe Dunn has a couple more league leading HR seasons, etc., then I'd say hold him off. One thing is for sure Strassburg is a competitor but he's also a team player he'll do what the organization decides and he won't go in the media bashing the decision.
All The Hype
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Shutting down a pitcher at an arbitrary inning limit without considering the condition of his arm makes no sense at all. Obviously you monitor the situation every time he pitches, but your job as a franchise is to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. If babying your stud pitcher when there is nothing wrong with himis more important than winning, then you should go find a different profession outside of competitive sports.
Also, pitchers pitch year round. Apparently that needs to be cleared up. They pitch at 100% even during the offseason to keep their arms in shape and to continue to improve. Shutting him down isn't like he suddenly stops pitching.
And making him a reliever is not a realistic option because that takes a completely different mindset, warmups, and arm condition. I'd almost argue that that would be worse for his arm because he's not used to that.
Also, pitchers pitch year round. Apparently that needs to be cleared up. They pitch at 100% even during the offseason to keep their arms in shape and to continue to improve. Shutting him down isn't like he suddenly stops pitching.
And making him a reliever is not a realistic option because that takes a completely different mindset, warmups, and arm condition. I'd almost argue that that would be worse for his arm because he's not used to that.
scotty216brs
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I agree with this.
Don't jeopardize your teams playoff run, because of a stupid innings limit. From here on out have a 6 man rotation and don't let Strasburg go over 90 pitches. I understand wanting to be cautious but if he says his arm is good to go, then going over an innings limit isn't going to hurt him any.
