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phillyfan0417 said:
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sports are about competing..You dont want to compete, dont play. All this PC nonsense is exactly what is wrong with our country.



This has nothing to do with PC, this has to do with sportsmanship. Every sport has some unwritten rules in it about doing this type of stuff. Dont steal bases in late innings when you're up by alot, dont pass in the last few minutes if you're up by a few touchdowns.

Didn't stop the Patriots last season. They passed all game whether they were up 1 or 40.
 

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I actually had a similar situation when I was coaching little league - our team was pounding the other team 15-0 through 4 or 5 innings and I went over to the other coach and asked him if he would like to call the game after the next full inning. He looked at me as if I was crazy and as if his team was going to come back so I don't blame the winning coach - I'm sure the winning coach would have been glad to agree to a running clock or something if the losing coach had asked for one.



As far as the little league game - I instructed my players to do their best for the whole game, I shouldn't have to do worse to make you feel better.
 

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pujolsjunkie said:
phillyfan0417 said:
Jays_Cards said:
sports are about competing..You dont want to compete, dont play. All this PC nonsense is exactly what is wrong with our country.



This has nothing to do with PC, this has to do with sportsmanship. Every sport has some unwritten rules in it about doing this type of stuff. Dont steal bases in late innings when you're up by alot, dont pass in the last few minutes if you're up by a few touchdowns.

Didn't stop the Patriots last season. They passed all game whether they were up 1 or 40.


Worked out well for him ;)



Before anyone thinks i'm a total stick in the mud, the jokes are funny. I just think this was a lousy example of sportmanship...
 

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200lbhockeyplayer said:
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sports are about competing..You dont want to compete, dont play. All this PC nonsense is exactly what is wrong with our country.
You are a class act.

Treating people like people isn't "PC", it's about not belittling someone. 100-0 isn't about competing, it's about being a heartless tool.

Clearly there was no competition, so why rub someone's face in it? By the way, have you ever played anything competitively? And I don't mean riding the bench.

I played soccer for the United States of America under-17 national team. Does that count? I played in a game where we lost 14-0 and barely touched the ball. You take it and learn from it. Competition is about competing, not trying to make people feel good.
 

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While playing sports, I have been on both sides of blowouts. After a real bad loss, I was told that I had three choices....dedicate the time necessary to improve my game, play at the same level and continue to get my butt kicked or give up and go home.

For some reason, there is a sense of entitlement in this country. Everyone is a winner, everyone should get an "A" and nobody fails, everyone is special...and we are all equals. However, life in the real world continues to issue reminders that some people are stupid, ugly or slow.

Maybe it is better in the long run to reward those who accomplish greatness rather than lowering the bar so everyone can clear it....otherwise, what is the point of trying?
 

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While playing sports, I have been on both sides of blowouts. After a real bad loss, I was told that I had three choices....dedicate the time necessary to improve my game, play at the same level and continue to get my butt kicked or give up and go home.

For some reason, there is a sense of entitlement in this country. Everyone is a winner, everyone should get an "A" and nobody fails, everyone is special...and we are all equals. However, life in the real world continues to issue reminders that some people are stupid, ugly or slow.

Maybe it is better in the long run to reward those who accomplish greatness rather than lowering the bar so everyone can clear it....otherwise, what is the point of trying?

First Thanks handed out..Best post I have ever seen on a public message board!
 

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What disheartens me the most about this is this reply to the article...

gol10dr45Jan-22 @ 12:12 PM Report abuse 1718
How do you not score a point.. I mean.. wow. You'd think the other teams coach would have said, hey,lets let off a bit = let them score a few - don't try so hard..
But at the same time- hammer to the floor until its over.. no pitty for the kitty :)

No, I am not one for doing alley-oops of the backboard or anything like that, but to instill a thought of "don't try hard" is a horrible way to teach high school students.

Would the coach like it if they "didn't try hard" in practice?

That's all from me on this subject.
 

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muchuckwagon said:
While playing sports, I have been on both sides of blowouts. After a real bad loss, I was told that I had three choices....dedicate the time necessary to improve my game, play at the same level and continue to get my butt kicked or give up and go home.

For some reason, there is a sense of entitlement in this country. Everyone is a winner, everyone should get an "A" and nobody fails, everyone is special...and we are all equals. However, life in the real world continues to issue reminders that some people are stupid, ugly or slow.

Maybe it is better in the long run to reward those who accomplish greatness rather than lowering the bar so everyone can clear it....otherwise, what is the point of trying?

Great post. You hit the nail directly on the head.

I tried to get the same point across, but you said it much better. Thank you.


Joe
 

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200lbhockeyplayer said:
When I was a senior in high school, the first round of the state championships (we were ranked #1), and obviously, the first game was going to be easy. It was, yet before the game, the opposing team was throwing around a few trashy comments and my coach made the decision for us to run it up. And we did. The final score was 36-0...again, this is hockey I am talking about, the opposing team had one shot on net all game and it was from an icing attempt.

Now I do indeed believe that all youth sports should keep score and teach kids how to be good winners and good losers, but frankly, beating a team 100-0 is no better than a grown man fighting a 5-year-old.

For all we know the team that lost 0-100 was throwing around trashy comments before the game.


I guess it's a tough call. I don't know what I would do if I was a coach and my team was up 40-0. I think it's a bad idea to teach kids to not give their best effort though. Doesn't make sense. As a parent, I would not like my kids' teachers encouraging them to put forth less than their best effort.

Somebody suggested that they put their second string in, but... I think they must have, at least for part of the game. Other people are pointing out how little information the article holds, and I think that's kind of a major factor here too.
 

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200lbhockeyplayer said:
Jays_Cards said:
sports are about competing..You dont want to compete, dont play. All this PC nonsense is exactly what is wrong with our country.
You are a class act.

Treating people like people isn't "PC", it's about not belittling someone. 100-0 isn't about competing, it's about being a heartless tool.
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You are exactly right that people treating people like people is not PC

...what is PC, however, is making the other team apologize and probably forfeit the win.

Im sorry, but, what is better, and seems to treat people like other people

Option A) Play the game like it is meant to be played even if one team is disabled in some way or handicapped; with winners and losers. If a team wins 100-0, then the coach tells the players that they did their best and tomorrow is another day to begin training again. After the 100-0 loss you congratulate the winning team after the game and tell them they were better than you that day, and work to become better and play harder so you dont let it happen again. This will build confidence and the ability to deal with downfalls and decisions that dont go the way you want in life

Option B) Tell the disabled/handicapped/special needs/etc kids that because they are the way they are, the team who beat them will now have to forfeit the win and apologize for beating them 100-0.

What message does Option B (which is exactly whats happening) send to the kids on both teams? It sends the message that people will never be able to be treated as equally as they can because of Political Correctness and that if they lose bad, well hey, the other players will be guilted/shamed/forced into forfeiting and apologizing, even though the players on the winning team themselves, did nothing wrong.

Sports are meant to encourage kids to do their best, and gain confidence. I will admit, it probably wasnt the best idea to play the game up to 100-0. but why should the team have to forfeit? The referees could've well stopped it, and so could've the coaches because ive never heard of a high school team who tells their coach they are not going to keep playing...it doesnt make sense for them because they think if they stop, coach will cut them or bench them.
 

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muchuckwagon said:
While playing sports, I have been on both sides of blowouts. After a real bad loss, I was told that I had three choices....dedicate the time necessary to improve my game, play at the same level and continue to get my butt kicked or give up and go home.

For some reason, there is a sense of entitlement in this country. Everyone is a winner, everyone should get an "A" and nobody fails, everyone is special...and we are all equals. However, life in the real world continues to issue reminders that some people are stupid, ugly or slow.

Maybe it is better in the long run to reward those who accomplish greatness rather than lowering the bar so everyone can clear it....otherwise, what is the point of trying?


Very well said.

I was taught this lesson at a very young age and it has helped me with every aspect of my life. Since then, when I failed at something I tried harder and when I was unable to do something, I spent the time to learn how to do it.

I was told 2 things I will never forget:

1. If you going to do something, put your full/best effort into it or dont even bother starting it.

2. If it was easy, everyone could do it.
 

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Appologize for winning by too much?? For the love of God, when did this country turn into such a bunch of *******??? Its a SPORT!! You play to win! If the other team had a reason that they shouldn't be playing, than guess what, don't schedule the game!

Stories like this make me sick. F*** PC behavior.
 

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It also was a girl's sport. They should just be happy we let them play in the first place. They should be in home ec learning how to make a sandwich.
 

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justinmandawg said:
It also was a girl's sport. They should just be happy we let them play in the first place. They should be in home ec learning how to make a sandwich.

Please relay that message to your wife....and tape it for my viewing pleasure! ;)

(And yes, I understand it was a joke....but so very true!)
 

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You watch, pretty soon they'll have boxing matches where you get penalized for hitting your opponent...
 

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I am not at all throwing religion into this discussion, I'm only bringing it up because it was part of the article!! So don't flame me!

What ya'll are debating makes sense for secular schools. I have never heard of a regular public high school team being told to apologize for a lopsided win. It's unheard of.

This school is a private Christian school. If any of you have any experience with Christian schools, you know that the underlying philosophy is to do all things to the glory of God, including how you play sports. Don't get me wrong, sports teams train to win the games they play, but the kids are also taught to approach the game as they play it wiht the attitude of, would God be pleased with my performance? Or in this case, with the performance of my team?

Having been to Christian schools in my youth, I understand the reason why the head of the school is doing this. I disagree with it, because I think it will set a real bad taste in the mouths of the girls on his school's team. They will never approach playing sports the same again. And if we followed this story, I'll bet the coach and assistant coach disagree with it too.

The reason I'm writing this is because if you haven't had experience in Christian schools, then save your breath about debating something more important. Religion and sports is a tough mix.
 

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I can't find the link at the moment, but Yahoo had a more extensive version of this story posted. One thing that stuck out was that the starting point guard had 50 points, and from the sound of it was basically just continually stealing the ball at half court and taking it in for a layup.

I think if that is the case, where one player is basically turning it into more or less a one person show (in a bad way), the coach needs to step in and say something to their player. If the opposition was at least getting a chance to take the ball down court and miss shots, or the winners were just racking up points on jumpers, it might not be as bad. However, it sounds like one player was making a conscious effort to dominate against inferior competition, possibly just to show up the opposition or pad her stats for prospective colleges.
 

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My wifes a basketball coach and while she doesn't believe an apology or a forfeit is necessary. She did say that any respectable coach wouldn't run up the score.
 

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wideright this just isn't true, at least not across the board. I played sports at a private Catholic high school and religion was the last thing the coaches were preaching.

The apology should never happen because there shouldn't have been a 100-0 game in the first place.

Someone should tell them about sportsmanship...or sportswomanship.

These are kids playing so comparing them to professional athletes or this game to other sports is not relevant. Anyone who has played sports has been on either side of a blowout but never one like this game and that's the point: this doesn't happen because it shouldn't happen. The coach should not retain his job.
 

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