The 07 Bowman Chrome Super Jason Heyward is back...

[Jays_Cards]

I think it all comes down to this as was stated earlier. If the buyer had contacted the seller and asked about payment arrangements BEFORE the auction ended, we would probably have two less threads on these boards right now. Well........maybe one from a prospector announcing that the Super had been sold and then a 59 page discussion about whether it went high or low. However, that evidently didn't take place and now we are here hashing out whether the OP should take the original 1500 and why he's wanting around 2k for it.

I have had cards on here that people gladly offered me more for than for the offers I had on ebay just because they knew it was me, knew that they were getting a sweet card, and they knew that my card had previously sold for less but the bidder didn't pay so I had to relist.[/quote]

If we were talking about a NPB here I would totally be in the sellers corner, regardless if he re-adjusted his asking price. That's his prerogotive, to ask what he wants. But this isn't the case. The buyer isn't being given the chance to pay. If I were the buyer I would do what I had to do to pay for the card within 7 days. And is the seller still refused to sell it I would file a claim. He listed the card, he sold the card and the buyer (none of us know his tone) is wanting an additional few days to clear some space on his credit card. Not a totally unreasonable request when dealing with that sum of money. He clearly has the money but probably was waiting for a CC payment to go through to open up his limit etc. Also, had the seller accepted any of the offers received that matched the final sale priceI would be in his corner then as well. I just don't recall seeing any offers of $2000 coming in, What I saw was the seller saying "now I want $2000 or more". And this is clearly based off of advice he has received from others.

Bottom line is that had this scenerio occured with a less respected member they would be flamed to death over it. Ironically, this member seems to be getting a pass. I don't know him and have nothing against him at all but it just seems a little off.

A seller should not be required to hold a $1500 sale for 15 days. That is not reasonable.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Its as if sellers are really nervous to approach any type of expensive and rare card auction because bidding might not come even close to meeting the seller's expectations, thereby decreasing the value of the card for the foreseeable future - perhaps permanently so.

Not necessarily saying this is the case here, but its worth considering why there are so many BINs with these types of cards. If the seller was so confident as to a card's worth, they'd straight put it up for auction.

Seems that fewer and fewer bigger cards are left up to auction anymore.

I can see this card fetching $2500.00+ and leaving the Country. I'd let it run live auction style and let the World decide its value.

 

[NYCrulesU]

I think it all comes down to this as was stated earlier. If the buyer had contacted the seller and asked about payment arrangements BEFORE the auction ended, we would probably have two less threads on these boards right now. Well........maybe one from a prospector announcing that the Super had been sold and then a 59 page discussion about whether it went high or low. However, that evidently didn't take place and now we are here hashing out whether the OP should take the original 1500 and why he's wanting around 2k for it.

I have had cards on here that people gladly offered me more for than for the offers I had on ebay just because they knew it was me, knew that they were getting a sweet card, and they knew that my card had previously sold for less but the bidder didn't pay so I had to relist.[/quote]

If we were talking about a NPB here I would totally be in the sellers corner, regardless if he re-adjusted his asking price. That's his prerogotive, to ask what he wants. But this isn't the case. The buyer isn't being given the chance to pay. If I were the buyer I would do what I had to do to pay for the card within 7 days. And is the seller still refused to sell it I would file a claim. He listed the card, he sold the card and the buyer (none of us know his tone) is wanting an additional few days to clear some space on his credit card. Not a totally unreasonable request when dealing with that sum of money. He clearly has the money but probably was waiting for a CC payment to go through to open up his limit etc. Also, had the seller accepted any of the offers received that matched the final sale priceI would be in his corner then as well. I just don't recall seeing any offers of $2000 coming in, What I saw was the seller saying "now I want $2000 or more". And this is clearly based off of advice he has received from others.

Bottom line is that had this scenerio occured with a less respected member they would be flamed to death over it. Ironically, this member seems to be getting a pass. I don't know him and have nothing against him at all but it just seems a little off.

A seller should not be required to hold a $1500 sale for 15 days. That is not reasonable.

You are correct. Is the seller required to wait 15 days for payment? Not at all. He has a right to nix the deal based on the buyers request. I am just pointing out the true motives that are showing through in this whole debacle.

 

[blanning71]

My motives to support the seller in this case has nothing to do with him being well respected on here or not. I don't know the OP here, nor have I ever had any real interaction with him on this site. I just think its a crap move to wait until the end of the auction and then state your intentions of paying, whether its a day or ten days past the grace period that ebay gives. The buyer should have known his financial standing before he bid and could have easily sent bikerider an email stating such and asking about it BEFORE he placed a bid so that there wouldn't be any issues. THAT is my stance on this.

 

[ajbraves25]

According to the other post about this card, the buyer made the offer, the seller took it and then a few days later the buyer said he couldn't pay til his credit card cycle came and went. Which from what I read would be an additional 8-10 days. I stand with the seller here. I have no problem waiting to get paid for an auction as long as I know about it ahead of time. As all of you know that have submitted an offer on ebay, there is a section for the buyer to leave a note. What does that take, 20 second to say hey I want the card, but have to wait til *** day to pay for it. The seller would have known in advance and could have let the offer stand for 48 hours. That way he couldve fielded more offers and cut 2 days off the waiting period for payment.

If he is wanting 2K for it, good for him. His card, his choice. If I had just come into this thread and jumped in without reading the first thread about the situation, I would be against the seller, but that is not the case here. I read the first thread and I side with the seller. Once he accepted that offer, he set the market for that card. Plain and simple. Now if he wants to resell it everyone and their mother know that it previously sold for $1500. It is a double edged sword.

Good luck regardless which way you go on this. Heck wait a month and let it ride again as an auction. Its a Jason Heyward Superfractor for heaven's sake

~AJ

 

[THECARDFATHER]

OP, what kind of offers have you gotten?

 

[NYCrulesU]

My motives to support the seller in this case has nothing to do with him being well respected on here or not. I don't know the OP here, nor have I ever had any real interaction with him on this site. I just think its a crap move to wait until the end of the auction and then state your intentions of paying, whether its a day or ten days past the grace period that ebay gives. The buyer should have known his financial standing before he bid and could have easily sent bikerider an email stating such and asking about it BEFORE he placed a bid so that there wouldn't be any issues. THAT is my stance on this.

I wasn't speaking of your motives. I meant the sellers motives of finding a "reason" to back out of a sale in order to ask for more money because others told him he sold too low. Just as easy as it would have been for the buyer email the seller before buying, the seller could have easily agreed to wait a few extra days for $1500. It's painfully obvious that he wanted to nix the sale in hopes to get more money. If any younger member did that they would've gotten flamed unmercifully from multiple members for days and weeks. I still don't care either way because I don't have any vested interest in the seller, the buyer or the card in question. I'm just stating what others won't.

 

[nyc3]

If any younger member did that they would've gotten flamed unmercifully from multiple members for days and weeks. I still don't care either way because I don't have any vested interest in the seller, the buyer or the card in question. I'm just stating what others won't.

+1

Lets all agree to disagree, then lets agree to move this thread looking for a transaction to the proper forum.

 

[blanning71]

My motives to support the seller in this case has nothing to do with him being well respected on here or not. I don't know the OP here, nor have I ever had any real interaction with him on this site. I just think its a crap move to wait until the end of the auction and then state your intentions of paying, whether its a day or ten days past the grace period that ebay gives. The buyer should have known his financial standing before he bid and could have easily sent bikerider an email stating such and asking about it BEFORE he placed a bid so that there wouldn't be any issues. THAT is my stance on this.

I wasn't speaking of your motives. I meant the sellers motives of finding a "reason" to back out of a sale in order to ask for more money because others told him he sold too low. Just as easy as it would have been for the buyer email the seller before buying, the seller could have easily agreed to wait a few extra days for $1500. It's painfully obvious that he wanted to nix the sale in hopes to get more money. If any younger member did that they would've gotten flamed unmercifully from multiple members for days and weeks. I still don't care either way because I don't have any vested interest in the seller, the buyer or the card in question. I'm just stating what others won't.

I don't think so Tim. A young seller, old seller, or middle aged seller aside, I don't think that he was looking to back out of the deal. I think this was just a series of unfortunate events that all culminated into a cluster puck and some people are trying to turn this into a conspiracy thread. We can sit here all day and split hairs about this but the fact remains as you said, we don't have a vested interest in this as we're not the seller, buyer, and its not our card.

 

[maxpower]

Its as if sellers are really nervous to approach any type of expensive and rare card auction because bidding might not come even close to meeting the seller's expectations, thereby decreasing the value of the card for the foreseeable future - perhaps permanently so.

Not necessarily saying this is the case here, but its worth considering why there are so many BINs with these types of cards. If the seller was so confident as to a card's worth, they'd straight put it up for auction.

Seems that fewer and fewer bigger cards are left up to auction anymore.

There are many good and legitimate reasons why sellers should offer their high-end cards up using BIN vs. auction. Among them:

1) The seller often leaves a lot of money on the table by selling at auction, because the final price is determined by the SECOND highest bidder's maximum rather than the highest bidder's maximum. On a high value card, the difference between the two can be substantial and with BIN/BO, a seller can price conservatively (go high) and still pick and choose from offers.

2) The risk of NPB is substantial, and when a card doesn't sell a first time around, it often draws fewer bids the second time around. Maybe that's because of 'fatigue' with the card. Maybe because a second listing raises questions about shilling. But whatever the case, a second listing usually means less money for the seller.

It has nothing to do with a seller's "confidence" about the card's worth. An eBay auction is a far from perfect way to determine the worth of a card. There's simply far too much volatility. So as long as the seller isn't desperate for cash right away, it's perfectly prudent for him to keep the card out of the auction route.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Yes, but BINS sure are an excellent way to guard against lower prices by masking demand of higher-end cards.

Most buyers tend to gauge a market prior to buying. Does anyone think a card that sold for $800 at auction (reserve not met) today would sell for $2K BIN the next week? The seller is taking a big gamble by exposing the card at auction if he wants $2K, the only guy who may have been willing to pay something approaching $2K would be scared off if he knew the actual market.

Everyday we see sellers who place rare cards in their stores for BINs higher than they went for the previous week, many sellers try to flip their cards like this all the time.

Its as if sellers are really nervous to approach any type of expensive and rare card auction because bidding might not come even close to meeting the seller's expectations, thereby decreasing the value of the card for the foreseeable future - perhaps permanently so.

Not necessarily saying this is the case here, but its worth considering why there are so many BINs with these types of cards. If the seller was so confident as to a card's worth, they'd straight put it up for auction.

Seems that fewer and fewer bigger cards are left up to auction anymore.

There are many good and legitimate reasons why sellers should offer their high-end cards up using BIN vs. auction. Among them:

1) The seller often leaves a lot of money on the table by selling at auction, because the final price is determined by the SECOND highest bidder's maximum rather than the highest bidder's maximum. On a high value card, the difference between the two can be substantial and with BIN/BO, a seller can price conservatively (go high) and still pick and choose from offers.

2) The risk of NPB is substantial, and when a card doesn't sell a first time around, it often draws fewer bids the second time around. Maybe that's because of 'fatigue' with the card. Maybe because a second listing raises questions about shilling. But whatever the case, a second listing usually means less money for the seller.

It has nothing to do with a seller's "confidence" about the card's worth. An eBay auction is a far from perfect way to determine the worth of a card. There's simply far too much volatility. So as long as the seller isn't desperate for cash right away, it's perfectly prudent for him to keep the card out of the auction route.

 

[justinmandawg]

Two small things here:

Did you contact Wossa?

I offered more than 2k when it was pulled.

 

[cgilmo]

Two small things here:

Did you contact Wossa?

I offered more than 2k when it was pulled.

it was worth more when it was pulled than it is now


the 08 autograph hurt it a bit, just ask my freddie

 

[maxpower]

Yes, but BINS sure are an excellent way to guard against lower prices by masking demand of higher-end cards.

I agree that BINs are an excellent way to guard against lower prices, but I'm not sure how the "mask" demand. If anything, they simplify it. "Is there a buyer for card X at price Y? Yes or no."

Most buyers tend to gauge a market prior to buying. Does anyone think a card that sold for $800 at auction (reserve not met) today would sell for $2K BIN the next week? The seller is taking a big gamble by exposing the card at auction if he wants $2K, the only guy who may have been willing to pay something approaching $2K would be scared off if he knew the actual market.

I think you're right that some buyers gauge the market prior to buying, but there are plenty of buyers who don't pay as close attention to such things. All things equal, everyone would rather pay less for a card, but many buyers would gladly pay a premium to be assured of getting a card. If you're not worried about flipping a card in the short term, you worry less about what the hypothetical second place bidder would have paid and more about (a) how much you have to pay to get the seller to deal and (b) how long you'd have to wait to get another crack at a similar card if you pass on this deal.

Everyday we see sellers who place rare cards in their stores for BINs higher than they went for the previous week, many sellers try to flip their cards like this all the time.

Yes, that's absolutely true. And everyday, we see some of those sellers actually get those BINs hit and profit from the flips. Sometimes it's because demand has increased due to some developments (player call-up, hot performance, etc.), and sometimes, it's because last week's auction closing price is an imperfect means of measuring a card's maximum value.

 

[justinmandawg]

Two small things here:

Did you contact Wossa?

I offered more than 2k when it was pulled.

it was worth more when it was pulled than it is now


the 08 autograph hurt it a bit, just ask my freddie

Which is why it would have been a good idea to sell at the time.

If I got over 2k for the laporta, this has to be worth that. Laporta wasn't hot at all when i sold.

 

[tide12champrings]

Two small things here:

Did you contact Wossa?

I offered more than 2k when it was pulled.

it was worth more when it was pulled than it is now


the 08 autograph hurt it a bit, just ask my freddie

Which is why it would have been a good idea to sell at the time.

If I got over 2k for the laporta, this has to be worth that. Laporta wasn't hot at all when i sold.

Considering this is the first time its ever been up for sale, I would assume the card will still bring big $$$$. If the seller accepts bids from overseas, I say put it up live auction style and let it ride. I know for a fact it will sell for atleast $1500.00.

 

[bikerider60]

From the way I read it, the guy bought it and then told the seller that he would pay in 8 days. Now I don't know when the email was sent but I can understand the seller wanting to go ahead and get paid for the card. I know ebay has a 7 day grace period but rules are rules. Perhaps the verbage in the email rubbed the seller wrong. I am speculating but I would guess the guy was kinda forceful in his tone in the email and pissed off the seller.

I waited 7 Days for payment..After the UNSUB told me to wait a additional 8 Days....Until his Credit cycle was over ...That was it!!!!! I filed a NPB and re listed..ooooooooooth BS

 

[IndyManning18]

The original buyer wanted to essentially wait 15 days to pay for the card if I read everything correctly. That's unacceptable.

 

[aaron41984]

Just sell it on eBay straight auction and let us see what it gets in real market value and we can all go home happy. We all thought $1500 was low so lets find out. Personally, I think it will freak the seller out till the last minute and all the snipes will bump it up at least 1k with 2 seconds to go.

 

[Jaypers]

Just ended @ $1550.

Anyone here want to own up? :mrgreen: