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"The customer is always right" is the most cliche and misued saying in business and most people who throw that phrase around when things don't go their way don't realistically understand how a business is run.

Dealing with a business is a calculated risk:

-You're hoping the sushi restaurant prepared your food correctly or the burger joint cooked your burger right
-You're hoping the audio and projector at movie theater you drove to works correctly so you can enjoy yourself
-You're hoping the iPhone you bought from ATT works properly
-You're hoping that the watch you bought off eBay is what was advertised and arrives safely
-You're hoping the car you bought from Sanderson runs like it is supposed to
-You're hoping the cards you send to BGS/PSA get handled with care and a grader or employee doesn't accidentally damage one of them

(You are also expecting these things to happen because it is good business practice, however, things sometimes happen that are even beyond a business' control.)

Normally if something doesnt work properly or a business doesn't do their job correctly they rectify the situation the best they can.

But, obviously, if a business replaced everything that someone brought back with a brand new item or honored every claim made against them, well, they wouldnt be open for very long.

Does ATT/Verizon/Sprint take every person at their word who said that their iPhone/Droid was already damaged or doesnt work because of a manufactuer defect? Hell no.

Why? Because people lie. All. The. Damn. Time. Every. Day.

This is the reason most places have a strict set of return guidelines.

Now, imagine a business like BGS whose job it is to assign a grade to an already valuable card and how they handle thousands upon thousands of cards every day.

How many people do you think call or email and say their card was damaged by a BGS employee and that is why it graded lower than pristine? Just guess. (I'm sure our former employee can provide insight.)

Also, it makes more sense for a company (BGS or whoever) to be upfront and admit to damaging a card if they did.

Why? For the same reason that Chevy/Dodge/Ford/etc issue recall notices on parts that don't work properly. For the same reason that food companies recall certain brands of fish or peanut butter.

The most obvious: legal issues that can arise. Many successful businesses have gotten shut down for deceptive practices and lying.

Any time you are dealing with a business there is a chance for a) human error and b) computer error.

Obviously, it is impossible avoid either of those from happening somewhere down the line.

So, when sending in cards to be graded or buying cards (graded or not) on eBay you have to assess the risk involved and decide whether or not it is worth it for you to submit them or buy them.

Are you worried that your cards will be damaged in the hands of a reckless or uncaring employee or that they will be damaged whilst in transit? Maybe on-site grading is for you. Not near a show that has on-site grading? That is risk you must assess.

Do people sometimes get screwed by companies? Absolutely. I'm not saying that never happens and it's a crappy situation when it does.

So, the question you have to ask yourself in almost any situation: is the risk worth it?

If your answer is "no" or you are unsure then you would probably better holding off. If you answer "no" or are unsure yet still proceed then you know what they say...caveat emptor.

No one should go through life expecting to get ripped off, screwed, or otherwise at every turn. The fact is, however, it is a matter of life that it does happen.

This should be especially considered because we all deal with collectibles of high value that sometimes cannot be replaced in it's current or a different condition.


/Sorry for the long read. This thread is not to specifically call anyone out or call people liars or insult people, but to hopefully provide some insight that might be helpful to some.
 
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I can tell you that I had one experience where a card got dropped and damaged at BGS (before the order was done). BGS offered me a discount on the grading services for the card value. This was a fair and equable way to resolve the issue.
 

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I guess companies never lie every damn day?

The customer isn't always right but losing a customer's future business for years instead of fixing a minor problem that will make the customer happy can be more financially damaging.

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I guess companies never lie every damn day?

The customer isn't always right but losing a customer's future business for years instead of fixing a minor problem that will make the customer happy can be more financially damaging.

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Not just that customer, but the reputation from what that customer (and obviously all customers) says. Look at eBay feedback ratings. All it takes is one negative with a really specific comment to reduce the seller's average sales price. 'Tis why Yelp is so fantastic. Keeps businesses honest and trying to do better.
 

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Not just that customer, but the reputation from what that customer (and obviously all customers) says. Look at eBay feedback ratings. All it takes is one negative with a really specific comment to reduce the seller's average sales price. 'Tis why Yelp is so fantastic. Keeps businesses honest and trying to do better.

You hit the nail on the head. I work in the grocery business. The company conducted a study and it was said that one negative experience will spread around to twice as many friends/family members than a good experience. You think those friends/family members are going to do business with the company that is complained about? There are many variables to think about when dealing with a unhappy customer.

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Well, you have two kinds. One kind just expects you to kiss their rear the entire time they give you business. The other kind realizes mistakes happen and tries to keep everything in an even keel perspective.

But there are bad businesses and good businesses. Ones who don't give a rats ass about you. And others that at least make the effort.
 

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In your specific example, BGS is not in much jeapardy of losing business. It's not like PSA hasn't screwed the pooch multiple times as well. Just like topps isn't in jeapardy of losing business with their exclusive licensing arrangements in place, so they've screwed the pooch as well. This hobby has a few companies that pretty much operate as monopolies. Sure there are competitors but we all know, for example, that we'll keep sending cards into BGS at the same exact rate hoping for that 9.5.
 

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This only exists in the United States. After being in Italy for the past four months, any customer consideration is better than what is overseas.
 

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