The "Other" UCLA Pitcher

[TomMurry]

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[quote="P_Manning 18":3qtwvv0d][quote="GarkoCollector":3qtwvv0d]129 pitches over 10 innings is fantastic

Mark Prior agrees with you.

Clearly you've never pitched at any level beyond little league.
13 pitches per inning is a tremendous rate.

Clearly you've never seen a pitcher destroy a career by throwing WAY too many pitches early in his career.

13 pitches per inning is good for 7 innings. Why on Earth does a college pitcher need to throw 130 pitches at such a young age.

Sorry, you dont know what actually destroyed their career, whereas I DO know what its like throwing 130 pitches.
You are 1000% more likely to hurt yourself with poor mechanics than you are throwing too many pitches. Thats a fact.

You're right. I have seen the error in my thinking.[/quote:3qtwvv0d]

You can think anything you like, but theres a difference in thinking and knowing.[/quote:3qtwvv0d]

Google is my friend.


http://www.mlbexpertanalysis.com/blog/?p=212[/quote:3qtwvv0d]

Sorry, you're grasping at straws.
You're trying to use an example of MAJOR LEAGUE pitchers and pitchers that threw OVER 230 INNINGS, neither of which are relevant here. Google might be your friend, but they let you down this time.[/quote:3qtwvv0d]

::facepalm::

Yea... Major League pitchers...usually means older than a college kid. You do realize that the college kid just turned 20?? You dont think that the extra use on the arm now might lead to issues later??[/quote:3qtwvv0d]

Major League pitchers means more pressure to perform, more expectation, being expected to push yourself beyond ability.
If you have good mechanics, throwing 13 pitches an inning for 10 innings isnt going to hurt you. Throwing 129 pitches in 6-7 innings definitely would though.

The article says overuse at a young age DOESNT lead to a diminished career. You brought up the link and it contradicted your opinion. I dont think you really understand what overuse actually means. Its # of pitches vs time, not general # of pitches overall.

If I throw 100 pitches in 5 innings, I will have exerted much less energy/effort/strain than if I threw 100 pitches in 10 innings. Delay, rest, stamina and recovery are all factors. The more time in between pitches, the less strain on your body.

 

[billsanders007]

You throw that many innings and that many pitches because that's what winners do.

 

[bozemanbreaker]

Are you two done flirting with each other?

 

[Hallsgator]

I don't agree with that many pitches this early, but college pitchers also have more rest between starts than pros. I just know that his arm is gonna be sore tomorrow, lol.

 

[cjb9421]

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[quote="P_Manning 18":3joml98q][quote="GarkoCollector":3joml98q][quote="P_Manning 18":3joml98q][quote="GarkoCollector":3joml98q]129 pitches over 10 innings is fantastic

Mark Prior agrees with you.

Clearly you've never pitched at any level beyond little league.
13 pitches per inning is a tremendous rate.

Clearly you've never seen a pitcher destroy a career by throwing WAY too many pitches early in his career.

13 pitches per inning is good for 7 innings. Why on Earth does a college pitcher need to throw 130 pitches at such a young age.

Sorry, you dont know what actually destroyed their career, whereas I DO know what its like throwing 130 pitches.
You are 1000% more likely to hurt yourself with poor mechanics than you are throwing too many pitches. Thats a fact.

You're right. I have seen the error in my thinking.[/quote:3joml98q]

You can think anything you like, but theres a difference in thinking and knowing.[/quote:3joml98q]

Google is my friend.


http://www.mlbexpertanalysis.com/blog/?p=212[/quote:3joml98q]

Sorry, you're grasping at straws.
You're trying to use an example of MAJOR LEAGUE pitchers and pitchers that threw OVER 230 INNINGS, neither of which are relevant here. Google might be your friend, but they let you down this time.[/quote:3joml98q]

::facepalm::

Yea... Major League pitchers...usually means older than a college kid. You do realize that the college kid just turned 20?? You dont think that the extra use on the arm now might lead to issues later??[/quote:3joml98q]

Major League pitchers means more pressure to perform, more expectation, being expected to push yourself beyond ability.
If you have good mechanics, throwing 13 pitches an inning for 10 innings isnt going to hurt you. Throwing 129 pitches in 6-7 innings definitely would though.

The article says overuse at a young age DOESNT lead to a diminished career. You brought up the link and it contradicted your opinion. I dont think you really understand what overuse actually means. Its # of pitches vs time, not general # of pitches overall.

If I throw 100 pitches in 5 innings, I will have exerted much less energy/effort/strain than if I threw 100 pitches in 10 innings. Delay, rest, stamina and recovery are all factors. The more time in between pitches, the less strain on your body. [/quote:3joml98q]

I think you meant something diff. that worded wrongly

 

[blitzerlover]

ULTIMATELY ITS BEEN PROVEN THAT THE OVERHAND PITCHING MOTION IS TERRIBLE FOR ARM....PERIOD. ANY AMOUNT OF PITCHES TAKES A TOLL

[youtube:2s3uh2s8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCVHpnixj88[/youtube:2s3uh2s8]

 

[P_Manning 18]

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[quote="P_Manning 18":3d8utono][quote="GarkoCollector":3d8utono][quote="P_Manning 18":3d8utono][quote="GarkoCollector":3d8utono]129 pitches over 10 innings is fantastic

Mark Prior agrees with you.

Clearly you've never pitched at any level beyond little league.
13 pitches per inning is a tremendous rate.

Clearly you've never seen a pitcher destroy a career by throwing WAY too many pitches early in his career.

13 pitches per inning is good for 7 innings. Why on Earth does a college pitcher need to throw 130 pitches at such a young age.

Sorry, you dont know what actually destroyed their career, whereas I DO know what its like throwing 130 pitches.
You are 1000% more likely to hurt yourself with poor mechanics than you are throwing too many pitches. Thats a fact.

You're right. I have seen the error in my thinking.[/quote:3d8utono]

You can think anything you like, but theres a difference in thinking and knowing.[/quote:3d8utono]

Google is my friend.


http://www.mlbexpertanalysis.com/blog/?p=212[/quote:3d8utono]

Sorry, you're grasping at straws.
You're trying to use an example of MAJOR LEAGUE pitchers and pitchers that threw OVER 230 INNINGS, neither of which are relevant here. Google might be your friend, but they let you down this time.[/quote:3d8utono]

::facepalm::

Yea... Major League pitchers...usually means older than a college kid. You do realize that the college kid just turned 20?? You dont think that the extra use on the arm now might lead to issues later??[/quote:3d8utono]

Major League pitchers means more pressure to perform, more expectation, being expected to push yourself beyond ability.
If you have good mechanics, throwing 13 pitches an inning for 10 innings isnt going to hurt you. Throwing 129 pitches in 6-7 innings definitely would though.

The article says overuse at a young age DOESNT lead to a diminished career. You brought up the link and it contradicted your opinion. I dont think you really understand what overuse actually means. Its # of pitches vs time, not general # of pitches overall.

If I throw 100 pitches in 5 innings, I will have exerted much less energy/effort/strain than if I threw 100 pitches in 10 innings. Delay, rest, stamina and recovery are all factors. The more time in between pitches, the less strain on your body.[/quote:3d8utono]

I did that on purpose. I wanted to have a link to a site stating I was wrong in my above idiotic spew.

Im glad you are here to show me I was wrong.

 

[notjomommasclint]

you guys are aware that he is NUSTO! first off his baseball hat must be removed by the CDC... then he throws his first pitch running towards the catcher as hard as he can, he throws between innings and his 130 pitches in that count were only off the hill. he has at least 7... yes 7 pitches he can throw and i am willing to bet that 3 of them are just under plus... in reality he probably threw somewhere around 750 pitches. i love him and was sad when his stuff started to spike... to me he was the highlight of last years cws and he is only overshadowed by cole because cole is

 

[FromKoufaxtoEdwin]

Trevor is a different kind of kid. He doesn't ice, has his own routine separate from all other pitchers on the team, and knows his arm and body really well. I don't like seeing him throw so many pitches early in the year, but 13 pitches an inning is a great pace, especially for Trevor. The dude throws basically every day, so i doubt he'll even be sore tomorrow. Unfortunately, we cant score at all, so Trevor and Cole are going to be going really deep into games all season.

 

[Hallsgator]

Trevor is a different kind of kid. He doesn't ice, has his own routine separate from all other pitchers on the team, and knows his arm and body really well. I don't like seeing him throw so many pitches early in the year, but 13 pitches an inning is a great pace, especially for Trevor. The dude throws basically every day, so i doubt he'll even be sore tomorrow. Unfortunately, we cant score at all, so Trevor and Cole are going to be going really deep into games all season.

He'll be sore, unless he has some weird medical condition. Pretty much every pitcher throws everyday, if they didn't, they'd lose velo and strength, especially long toss.

 

[tm decomposer]

Clearly you've never pitched at any level beyond little league.
13 pitches per inning is a tremendous rate.

::facepalm::

Pitches per inning, fantastic.

130 pitches in the first week of March is, ummm, unadvisable to say the least. If he's gonna let him do this now, how can he pull the kid after 85 pitches and a similar line the next time out? To save his arm? 130 pitches today says that's not a concern.

Sounds like he was fully in control of the game. UCLA isnt exacly a DIII nobody school. Pretty sure the staff is capable of knowing when a kid is done. Doesnt seem like they were worried about "saving his arm." When you have time to rest, only throwing an average of 13 pitches per inning allows time for recovery between innings. Im not saying that I would recommend throwing that many, but if you're playing at that level for that kind of school, nobody is going to risk anything. For all we know he was throwing a load of changeups and sinkers. The less stress on the elbow/shoulder, the less fatigue you develop over the course of the game.

I mean, it made a lot of sense to let Austin Wood of Texas (2009) to throw over 130+ pitches in a playoff game, where he throws 12 innings and then tommy john is his next step...right?

 

[bozemanbreaker]

On a side note, Huskers playing UCLA tough this weekend

 

[tm decomposer]

129 pitches over 10 innings is fantastic

Mark Prior agrees with you.

Clearly you've never pitched at any level beyond little league.
13 pitches per inning is a tremendous rate.

And here you talk about your success. Please inform us what you have done as a pitcher. You probably were not throwing in the mid 90's or throwing a division 1 college curveball. A kid on my high school team (who was originally committed to UConn) threw 172 pitches in an 8 inning game and his arm hasn't been the same since. His scholarship was taken away from UConn and he now pitches for a community college.

 

[notjomommasclint]

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129 pitches over 10 innings is fantastic

Mark Prior agrees with you.

Clearly you've never pitched at any level beyond little league.
13 pitches per inning is a tremendous rate.

And here you talk about your success. Please inform us what you have done as a pitcher. You probably were not throwing in the mid 90's or throwing a division 1 college curveball. A kid on my high school team (who was originally committed to UConn) threw 172 pitches in an 8 inning game and his arm hasn't been the same since. His scholarship was taken away from UConn and he now pitches for a community college.[/quote:271fglw0]

so you smash up on him because he fails to site his skill set for this discussion... and then use your teammates experience to qualify you to speak to the manner...

that makes me LOL!

 

[FortyFour]

lol @ card dudes who think they are coaches.

 

[notjomommasclint]

lol @ card dudes who think they are coaches.

i have a legion record of 0-1 as head coach. i was the first base coach and our head coach went on vacation. we got beat BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADLY! i was proud of those kids. they went out there and played their hearts out for almost a whole inning.

 

[GiantsSuperCollector]

Bauer's arm sounds a lot like Lincecum's, doesn't have strain put on it and can just keep throwing without ice.

Bauer is a BEAST!

 

[Wes]

Stress pitches are the real question here. 90 in 3 innings is exponentially worse than 129 in 10 innings. Take into account more than just a simple count. If he finished the game with 9 innings and 116 would there have been a problem in anyone's mind? Probably not. Don't be so closed minded.

 

[TomMurry]

Stress pitches are the real question here. 90 in 3 innings is exponentially worse than 129 in 10 innings. Take into account more than just a simple count. If he finished the game with 9 innings and 116 would there have been a problem in anyone's mind? Probably not. Don't be so closed minded.

This is what I was trying to say. You did it more clearly than I did.

 

[TomMurry]

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129 pitches over 10 innings is fantastic

Mark Prior agrees with you.

Clearly you've never pitched at any level beyond little league.
13 pitches per inning is a tremendous rate.

And here you talk about your success. Please inform us what you have done as a pitcher. You probably were not throwing in the mid 90's or throwing a division 1 college curveball. A kid on my high school team (who was originally committed to UConn) threw 172 pitches in an 8 inning game and his arm hasn't been the same since. His scholarship was taken away from UConn and he now pitches for a community college.[/quote:3f42y5o0]

I was a #3 on a major DII NAIA baseball powerhouse for 3 years. I was throwing 89-92 and threw an overhand curve as a righty, which is a rarity in itself. I also threw a splitter, change, 2 and 4 seamers and occasionally a slider from a 3/4 slot. In 3 years I was 15-8 and my ERA was somewhere around 3.50. By no means was I dominating, but I DID pitch effectively at the Collegiate level. I could have gone to a couple of D-I schools, but probably wouldnt have played anywhere near as much as I did at a smaller school.

172 pitches in 8 innings vs 129 in 10 innings is apples and oranges. There is no such thing as a D-I curveball. The best I've ever seen have come out of DII and DIII players. If thats all you've got is a good curve, thats probably a good reason why youre DII or DIII.