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Thome/Thomas- First Ballot HOFers?
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500 is no longer a lock, Palmiero will be the first not to get in. I would say Thomas will get in first ballot Thome maybe later on.
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1st4040
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thomas yes.. thome no.. other than his HR's what does he have to qualify with?
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Adamsince1981
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Thomas...LOCK....301 career avg and 500+ HR's
Thome could end his career with 600+ HR's and will end with 1,500+ RBI...I think he is first ballot.
Thomas...LOCK....301 career avg and 500+ HR's
Thome could end his career with 600+ HR's and will end with 1,500+ RBI...I think he is first ballot.
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J.O. said:
THINK is the key word, you dont know for a fact they didnt.
anyways i say frank thomas yes and jim thome no way.
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1st4040 said:
Thome will finish with 600 homeruns. .400+ OBP and .560 slugging percentages are excellent. Those alone should get him in. In fact, Thome's career OPS is similar to Alex Rodriguez. I don't think it's even up for debate.
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fengzhang said:
+1...basically what I said...he should be first ballot.
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Just to hammer home the point, Thome will end up with decent totals of 600+ homeruns, 1700+ RBI's. But, his production is truly amazing:
His 162 game averages are 551 at-bats, 41 homeruns, and 112 RBI's while Alex Rodriguez's 162 game averages are 624 at-bats, 44 homeruns, 127 RBI's. The reason Thome never amassed the truly amazing totals (although 600 homeruns is still pretty damn good) is that he (like Bonds) was getting walked 120 times a year while Alex Rodriguez was getting 600+ at-bats a year. His offensive production is just as good as Arod's or Griffey's. You can't penalize someone because they were feared by the pitchers or because their batting eye was too good. Outside of driving in runs, hitting homeruns, and getting on base, what else do you expect your #3 or #4 hitter to do?
His 162 game averages are 551 at-bats, 41 homeruns, and 112 RBI's while Alex Rodriguez's 162 game averages are 624 at-bats, 44 homeruns, 127 RBI's. The reason Thome never amassed the truly amazing totals (although 600 homeruns is still pretty damn good) is that he (like Bonds) was getting walked 120 times a year while Alex Rodriguez was getting 600+ at-bats a year. His offensive production is just as good as Arod's or Griffey's. You can't penalize someone because they were feared by the pitchers or because their batting eye was too good. Outside of driving in runs, hitting homeruns, and getting on base, what else do you expect your #3 or #4 hitter to do?
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They both are first ballot IMO and if you do think 500 Hr is hard or a lock, why do you ask the 1000's of ball players through out the history of baseball that were not even close to 500 hr's if they think 500 is hard or should be a lock. Thome is still playing and will only add to his numbers. I dont know what really will happen but I hope both make it.
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mlbsalltimegreats said:
Yeah, Palmeiro would be a lock...if it weren't for his adamant denial and the subsequent admission of using bad B12 provided by his teamate Tejada...errrrrr, performance enhancing drugs.
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fengzhang said:
QFT
Both should easily be 1st-ballot guys. Thomas is without a doubt the bigger lock of the two, however Thome's career numbers in no way fail to convince me that he's a HOF'er as well. He has been an absolute stud for the vast majority of his career. Looking at his HR, SLG, OBP, and OPS totals will tell you all you need to know. They are consistently impressive year in and year out (except for 2005 when he was plagued with back problems). His run and RBI totals are quite solid as well.
