NPB teams are owned by massive companies. The CEO of Rakuten, and the owner of the Golden Eagles, is worth 6.4 billion dollars.
But NPB teams are advertising tools, not money making ventures.
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NPB teams are owned by massive companies. The CEO of Rakuten, and the owner of the Golden Eagles, is worth 6.4 billion dollars.
But NPB teams are advertising tools, not money making ventures.
TBTwinsFan
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TBTwinsFan
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sportscardtheory
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Pay close attention to the statement I was responding too when posting those names.
No one here said that all NPB players are successful in MLB, so your little photofest is pretty meaningless.
No one here said that all NPB players are successful in MLB, so your little photofest is pretty meaningless.
You did see it happening with AFL?NFL in the 60's. The ABA/NBA and the WHA/NHL in the 70's and the USFL/NFL in the 80's though.
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TBTwinsFan
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About as meaningful as you calling Yu Darvish successful?
sportscardtheory
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Oh golly gee, you REALLY got me there. You are right to defend the sentiment that no NPB player has ever been successful in MLB. Thank you for opening all our eyes, oh knowledgeable one. Please continue to grace us with your extensive databank of baseball knowledge.
TBTwinsFan
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Cool, because, you know... that's clearly what I said.
TBTwinsFan
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Probably not.
I just felt like poking the bear a little.
Anyway, I think Nomo was successful, I think Darvish could be successful, I think Uehara is doing great. Position players like Ichiro and Matsui have done great in their careers as well.
I just felt like poking the bear a little.
Anyway, I think Nomo was successful, I think Darvish could be successful, I think Uehara is doing great. Position players like Ichiro and Matsui have done great in their careers as well.
sportscardtheory
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~What a meaningless post.~
Super Mario basically stated that no NPB players are successful in MLB. Then I listed a handful of NPB players who have been successful in MLB, to which you called meaningless... and are now stating that there have been successful NPB players in MLB. What thread are you responding to? The one on your head?
TBTwinsFan
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I am curious to see where I called your list meaningless. In fact, it appears as if I agreed with part of your list my previous post.
Sure, I said the fact that calling Yu Darvish "successful" was pointless, but that's because he's been in the MLB for a year. He has a long way to go before that title can be given to him.
sportscardtheory
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You posted pictures of NPB players who failed in MLB and are now claiming a guy with 498 strikeouts and a 3.34 ERA in two full seasons in the Majors isn't successful. I don't really know WHAT your point is in this thread other than "poking the bear", aka trolling. Nothing I posted is "meaningless", as you called it, when it was a direct response to a statement made in this very thread.
DaClyde
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There seems to be two major groups in this fruitless discussion. Card collectors and card collectors who actually watch baseball. Please don't argue about the success or failure of players when you don't actually follow the sport.
sportscardtheory
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But Daisuke Matsuzaka and Tsuyoshi Nishioka!
DaClyde
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Yeah, I know, and what everyone conveniently forgets is that Matsuzaka had two successful years up front, before getting hurt and then forgetting what a pitcher is for. Nishioka broke his freaking leg! If people are going to make those arguements, at least have he decency to use Kawakami or Shinjo or Irabu if they're going to throw failures around.
TBTwinsFan
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I don't know I guess. I thought success was championships, Cy Youngs, ROY, and that sort of stuff.
Sure, I'll accept that I'm probably wrong though.
Sure, I'll accept that I'm probably wrong though.
sportscardtheory
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There. That was just off the top of my head.
TBTwinsFan
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I am going to openly say that I am wrong on Darvish, and possibly Tanaka. Only way to gain more knowledge is to accept that I', can be wrong.
But, I would like to say that I don't think that every NPB player has been "unsuccessful." Take Ichiro. Had his 4,020 hits all come from the MLB, he would currently be ranked 3rd behind Cobb and Rose.
I don't know much about Nomo, but I do know that he's hurled a couple no-hitters in his day.
Actually, seeing Sasaki in your list intrigued me, so I looked him up. 4 seasons in the MLB, but a ROY and 2 All-Star selections, which in my view for such a short career, is pretty impressive.
In the end, there is something to be said about just making it to the MLB in the first place. I collect a guy who only played two years, and the only accolades he's earned is a team ROY in 1990, and a starting job in the 1991 ALCS. That's more than all ever get.
