Thunder/Celtics trade

[Huffamaniac]

Thunder gets: Kendrick Perkins and nate Robinson
Celtics get: Jeff Green and Krstic

I do not see this helping the Celtics this year unless Pierveo f garnett are injured

This trade gives the Thunder the size and toughness they needed. Thunders are big winners in this trade

 

[bigpapiMA32]

This prepares the C's well for the future with Green, but I think hurts them in the short-term. Losing Nate hurts just as much as Perk because that means Delonte and Wafer are the two backup guards. Allen and Rondo play significantly more minutes than the front three, but still I don't think losing Nate is good.

 

[timryan111]

I love this trade for the Celtics. Perkins defense is incredibly overrated. Other big men eat him up and he brings almost zero offense. I would rather have Davis playing, at least he can score. I think this trade helps them this year. Green gives them someone that can score if need be. With Delonte back now I think you would have seen Nates minutes decrease because West is much stronger defensively. We will see what happens though.

 

[KC37]

Perkins was gone after this season, either as a free agent or sign-and-trade (and the Celts wouldn't have gotten someone like Green in return), so it doesn't bother me too much. The only time it will seem like a real weakness is if they meet Orlando in the playoffs, as Perk had some success defensively against Howard.
I could care less about losing Nate. I would rather they still had Eddie House...

 

[DaveH]

ugh, i don't like this trade for OKC. they traded away the best player in the deal, and they got back 2 over-rated players... yucko

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

This is a horrible trade for the C's. They traded a starting center with no guarantee that Shaq gets healthy, for a bench player that can't rebound and isn't known for his defense. If they're going to lose Perk or Green at the end of the year I'd rather keep Perk and try and win this year. Green does not improve their team, and can only hurt the amazing chemistry this team had.

I really hate moving Semih for nothing after the Perk trade. The Celtics don't need a 2nd round pick or mid first round pick. They need size. Semih proved he was at least a capable NBA big man with room to grow.

 

[bigpapiMA32]

This is a horrible trade for the C's. They traded a starting center with no guarantee that Shaq gets healthy, for a bench player that can't rebound and isn't known for his defense. If they're going to lose Perk or Green at the end of the year I'd rather keep Perk and try and win this year. Green does not improve their team, and can only hurt the amazing chemistry this team had.

I really hate moving Semih for nothing after the Perk trade. The Celtics don't need a 2nd round pick or mid first round pick. They need size. Semih proved he was at least a capable NBA big man with room to grow.

I agree with a lot that you say, but you have to remember two things. One, the Celtics don't lose much by having Davis on the floor instead of Perk and having Green as their sixth man. Two, the Cavs 2nd round pick will probably be right at the beginning of the round.

A lot of this has to do with the future. After the "big three" era, the Celtics will be looking to Rondo and Green to build a team around.

I'm ambivalent about this trade. I hope it works for the best.

 

[Anthony K.]

As a Thunder fan (well, Durant fan, but I adopted the team to support him), I like this trade a TON for OKC and less for Green.

OKC needed a reliable post player. Someone to bang for rebounds, provide some interior defense and establish even a little bit of a post game. Perkins helps establish this right away. He may not be a hugely effective offensive player, but it is an upgrade over Krstic in the paint.

As for Boston, I do not see them re-signing Green at the end of the season, so I believe this is more of a move to get instant offense off the bench (something Nat has NOT been providing this season). Green is going to be looking for #2 money and neither Boston nor OKC want to re-sign him for that kind of cash. It also hurts Boston because the needed the frontcourt depth and Green brings little defense (especially interior defense) to the court.

 

[bodiaz]

Terrible trade foe Celts this season. I think they would have won the title with Perkins healthy in game 7 last season, and now they trade him? Future they make out okay as Green is the best player in the trade, but it is about right now for them, and this was a bad trade.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

This is a horrible trade for the C's. They traded a starting center with no guarantee that Shaq gets healthy, for a bench player that can't rebound and isn't known for his defense. If they're going to lose Perk or Green at the end of the year I'd rather keep Perk and try and win this year. Green does not improve their team, and can only hurt the amazing chemistry this team had.

I really hate moving Semih for nothing after the Perk trade. The Celtics don't need a 2nd round pick or mid first round pick. They need size. Semih proved he was at least a capable NBA big man with room to grow.

I agree with a lot that you say, but you have to remember two things. One, the Celtics don't lose much by having Davis on the floor instead of Perk and having Green as their sixth man. Two, the Cavs 2nd round pick will probably be right at the beginning of the round.

A lot of this has to do with the future. After the "big three" era, the Celtics will be looking to Rondo and Green to build a team around.

I'm ambivalent about this trade. I hope it works for the best.

I agree with what you are saying about not losing much going from Perkins to Davis IF (that's a big if) the Celtics need to go through the Heat and Spurs for the title. If they need to play the Magic or the Lakers then it is a terrible move. Perkins is one of the few people in the league that gives Dwight Howard problems, and we saw what happened to the Celtics rebounding ability when he was out against the Lakers. It's also assuming Shaq and/or JO are healthy which is an impossible to thing to assume. If I had to bet, I would say they are injured come playoff times not healthy.

It also depletes their front court to the point where if one of them gets in foul trouble then the team is really short handed. At least before you had Semih who could play 10-12 minutes and Harangody for 5 to help with Perk, KG, Davis, and Shaq.

I can't imagine any scenario where the Celtics are able to sign Green. He's going from being a starter to a bench player, and someone is always willing to overpay for a guy that can score 15 a night (even if that is all he can do). So Green is probably not part of their future. I'd love to see some analysis on mid-first round picks and early 2nd round picks and how often they are successful. If you look at the C's picks recently the best player they got was Semih, and he's gone. So I can't imagine those picks being useful in the future either.

Also, it's pathetic if the Celtics are going to tell their fans they are building for the future. This team has 1-2 years left of being a contender. If they are going to continue they'll have to add someone in free agency in 2012 when they only have Pierce and Rondo under contract, but this trade did not change anything other than Semih's tiny contract getting moved.

 

[Huffamaniac]

No way Green resigns with the Celtics. I can see the Nets overpaying him to build around Deron Williams.

One of the biggest advantages the Celtics had over the Heat was at Center, and now that advantage is far less

 

[boomets]

If they celts sign Murphy and Powe they should be fine, with Krstic coming in as well.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: I dont like this trade one bit and im sorry but who the hell is Jeff Green???? Obviously I have to give him a chance and watch him play but Jeff Green?? I agree alot with what Tomlinson21RB said, what are you telling your fans??, heck what are you telling Pierce, Allen and KG? Im pretty sure they are not happy about it, be it they cant do anything about it. It showed last night when we let the game slip away. I understand perk was not moving the best but that will come. I as a fan was very confident that Perk was going to be close too being back to his old self near the playoffs. I dont mind losing Nate as he wasnt really hitting those open shots we needed him to hit but losing Perk is going to hurt. I know we still have both Oneal's but these guys havent seen a lick of play in a while and even if they get back now it going to take them weeks or even a month to gel especially Jermaine. Oh and my only Jeff Green experience was just the other day when a buddy and I were watching the tail end of the Spurs vs Thunder and at the end both of us were scream at the Tv ( :lol: ) for the guy who had the ball to pass it to Durant for the last shot, instead this player forces a terrible shot and Thunders lose. We both look at each other and said "who the heck is that guy" and even joked that he was going to get benched the next game. Well that player was no other than Jeff Green ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: and now we have him :| . Well Thunder fan you guys got a tough and rugged player that will help you alot with the Lakers. I hope you guy beat them because if we have to face them again we will need home court advantage and we will have to depend on two centers with bad knees ::facepalm:: .
In all honesty I am going to give it a chance I just dont like it.

 

[EricInCT]

Awesome job by the Celts, they always think outside the box.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: I dont like this trade one bit and im sorry but who the hell is Jeff Green???? Obviously I have to give him a chance and watch him play but Jeff Green?? I agree alot with what Tomlinson21RB said, what are you telling your fans??, heck what are you telling Pierce, Allen and KG? Im pretty sure they are not happy about it, be it they cant do anything about it. It showed last night when we let the game slip away. I understand perk was not moving the best but that will come. I as a fan was very confident that Perk was going to be close too being back to his old self near the playoffs. I dont mind losing Nate as he wasnt really hitting those open shots we needed him to hit but losing Perk is going to hurt. I know we still have both Oneal's but these guys havent seen a lick of play in a while and even if they get back now it going to take them weeks or even a month to gel especially Jermaine. Oh and my only Jeff Green experience was just the other day when a buddy and I were watching the tail end of the Spurs vs Thunder and at the end both of us were scream at the Tv ( :lol: ) for the guy who had the ball to pass it to Durant for the last shot, instead this player forces a terrible shot and Thunders lose. We both look at each other and said "who the heck is that guy" and even joked that he was going to get benched the next game. Well that player was no other than Jeff Green ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: and now we have him :| . Well Thunder fan you guys got a tough and rugged player that will help you alot with the Lakers. I hope you guy beat them because if we have to face them again we will need home court advantage and we will have to depend on two centers with bad knees ::facepalm:: .
In all honesty I am going to give it a chance I just dont like it.

I didn't like Green before, but I saw the end of that Spurs game too. That terrible shot he put up was with 5 seconds left on the clock! He was a few steps behind the 3pt line and jacked up a defended shot instead of giving Durant another opportunity to get open. It was one of the dumbest basketball plays I've seen in a while.

 

[timryan111]

I've never understood why people think that Perkins handles decent big men. It just doesnt usually happen that way. I watch every Celtics game, I was at the game a couple weeks ago against the Magic, Howard completely destroyed Perkins. He just isnt as good defensively as people think. Sure, he is a tough guy and may be a smart basketball player but I think that Shaq, if healthy, should be the one that gets the minutes. Every bit as strong as Perk and will play better offense.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I've never understood why people think that Perkins handles decent big men. It just doesnt usually happen that way. I watch every Celtics game, I was at the game a couple weeks ago against the Magic, Howard completely destroyed Perkins. He just isnt as good defensively as people think. Sure, he is a tough guy and may be a smart basketball player but I think that Shaq, if healthy, should be the one that gets the minutes. Every bit as strong as Perk and will play better offense.

I watch every game too, and I'll admit he's not where he was before the injury. I also think it's crazy to form your opinion on what he did a couple weeks ago, right after he came back from his injury. The Celtics were able to single cover Howard when Perkins was in the game last year, and it's pretty obvious that Howard is bothered on the offensive end when Perk is defending him.

I just clicked over to two articles on ESPN about the trades, and both writers believe Perkins is the defender he's made out to be.

John Hollinger:

Perkins, the gritty 5-man who was so key to stifling Orlando's Dwight Howard in the Celtics' upset of Orlando in last spring's conference finals (and yes, that was an upset -- the Magic were smokin' and had home court), went to Oklahoma City along with Robinson, in a deal for Green, Nenad Krstic and a top-10 protected first-round pick that originally belonged to the Clippers.

Bill Simmons:

But was that hole bigger than the one created by trading Perkins? He played Dwight Howard well; that's gone. He played Andrew Bynum well; that's gone. He supplied a toughness that's rarely seen in the league anymore; it remains to be seen whether Garnett can carry that torch alone.

If the doctors saw something wrong with him and didn't feel he'd play himself back closer to last season that's another story, but I feel like he'd get better as the season went along and he gained more confidence in his knee.

 

[timryan111]

I still disagree, I have heard a lot of reporters say how strong he is definsively, I just dont see it. He may have a game or two that are good on the defensive end, but it just seemed like he couldnt do it on a regular basis. Maybe it was the injury, I dont know and it doesnt really matter I guess. Its just my opinion and I think this trade helps them this year. We will see though.