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Todd Helton; HOF or HORG ?
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Austin
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Hall of Fame.
People criticize him for playing at Coors Field, but it's not his fault he played his entire career in Colorado.
Does a player have to hit like Babe Ruth to break the Coors Field stigma?
Is Tulowitski not really a great player? Or Carlos Gonzalez?
And Helton was still a premier hitter away from Coors.
In 2000, when he hit .372, he hit .391 at home and .353 away.
In 2003, when he hit .356, he hit .391 at home and .324 away.
In 2004, when he hit .347, he hit .368 at home and .326 away.
It's not like he was hitting .420 at home and .260 away every year.
Sure there were a few lopsided years in which Helton hit much better at home, but a lot of players hit better at home.
For instance, Wade Boggs, who was elected first ballot as a no-doubt Hall of Famer, was greatly aided by Fenway Park.
During Boggs' Red Sox years from 1982-1992, he hit .369 at home and only .307 away.
So why is Helton penalized but Boggs and other great hitters are not?
I think Helton will be elected, but he'll have to wait a long time.
People criticize him for playing at Coors Field, but it's not his fault he played his entire career in Colorado.
Does a player have to hit like Babe Ruth to break the Coors Field stigma?
Is Tulowitski not really a great player? Or Carlos Gonzalez?
And Helton was still a premier hitter away from Coors.
In 2000, when he hit .372, he hit .391 at home and .353 away.
In 2003, when he hit .356, he hit .391 at home and .324 away.
In 2004, when he hit .347, he hit .368 at home and .326 away.
It's not like he was hitting .420 at home and .260 away every year.
Sure there were a few lopsided years in which Helton hit much better at home, but a lot of players hit better at home.
For instance, Wade Boggs, who was elected first ballot as a no-doubt Hall of Famer, was greatly aided by Fenway Park.
During Boggs' Red Sox years from 1982-1992, he hit .369 at home and only .307 away.
So why is Helton penalized but Boggs and other great hitters are not?
I think Helton will be elected, but he'll have to wait a long time.
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WaxPax
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Agreed, his numbers are somewhat comparable to Carlos Delgado, with Delgado having an edge in HR and RBI's, while Helton has a higher career BA....Slug & OPS pretty similar....HORG
MansGame
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HORG
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brewerfan99
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Horg
Super Mario
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Question.
When you think of Todd Helton do you automatically think Hall o Fame?
I don't.
Hall of Really Good to me.
But then I am very strict when it comes to the HOF.
I think you're either first ballot worthy or you aren't worth it at all.
Yadda yadda yadda, I know all the debates that will be thrown my way with previous players who WERE first ballot worthy but didn't get in due to some reason like a writer having a grudge, but overall I think it is a flawed voting system as well.
But the Whitey Herzogs and Ron Santos of the baseball world have no business in the HOF if you ask me.
When you think of Todd Helton do you automatically think Hall o Fame?
I don't.
Hall of Really Good to me.
But then I am very strict when it comes to the HOF.
I think you're either first ballot worthy or you aren't worth it at all.
Yadda yadda yadda, I know all the debates that will be thrown my way with previous players who WERE first ballot worthy but didn't get in due to some reason like a writer having a grudge, but overall I think it is a flawed voting system as well.
But the Whitey Herzogs and Ron Santos of the baseball world have no business in the HOF if you ask me.
PoseyBuster
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I want him to be HoF, but I don't think he will ever get it...and I don't think he cares one bit.
Super Mario
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I think it will haunt him at night.
dbacksfan4life
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I agree, I really want him in the Hof hoping he gets it.
PoseyBuster
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He's the only NL West player I've respected as much as Giants Players (and Randy Johnson)
Super Mario
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PoseyBuster
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Nope. Helton and Johnson. I hated Walker.
Laxcat
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It would be weird seeing a Rockies logo on a HOF plaque.
MansGame
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ThoseBackPages
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HORG
CubsfanP
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Helton>Boggs
Austin
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Helton and Stan Musial are the only players in major league history with at least 2,500 hits, 550 doubles, 350 home runs and a .310 or higher career batting average.
But you guys just think he's "really good?"
But you guys just think he's "really good?"
MansGame
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Really good
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