CatdaddysCards
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Two Uptons and a Heyward is not what this Braves fan wants to see in our outfield.
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Tommy Hanson and Jordan Walden swapping teams
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craftysouthpaw
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Hanson's arm is spaghetti now. His shoulder is shredded and if his stuff is the same going forward, he will get pounded in the AL.
I love the guy but there is something seriously wrong with his arm. If he gets back to 2010 form - highly unlikely for someone with a shoulder issue - this is a pretty good deal for the Angels. Otherwise, it is just more money off the ledger for Liber - er the Braves. My only hesitation is I wonder if the Braves have some opportunity cost here in that they could have swapped him for something more than a reliever. But I trust Wren knows the market much better than I do.
And an outfield of two Uptons and a Heyward would be fantastic IMO. Heyward was one of the 10 most valuable position players in the league during his age 22 season, J. Upton was an MVP candidate during his age 23 season, and B.J. is an above average CF despite his obvious issues with the potential to be much more. Sign me up. I just don't think the Braves have the talent necessary to satisfy AZ. Pastornicky, Spruill, Ahmed, and the poo-poo platter ain't getting it done.
alwayson22
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^^^ this ... here is an excerpt from Keith Law's latest chat:
Tim (AZ )
Tommy Hanson is only 25. Why is everyone so down on him?
Klaw (3:28 PM)
Because the inside of his shoulder looks like hamburger meat.
Hallsgator
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Hanson's shoulder already is and costs $4 mil
This wouldnt even be close. The diamondbacks arent going to take 4-5 players for Upton. They want Andrleton Simmons or Elvis Andrus as the key piece. Im sure if the Braves want Upton it will cost them Andrleton plus a major league ready arm either a starter like Mike Minor or a lefty reliever.
The diamondbacks have a platoon at ss between Bloomquist and Pennington. They also have Chris Owings who is a year out from being major league ready. No need for pastornicky but if they wanted him they could get him for a middle relief prospect or a mid level starter
CatdaddysCards
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The talent potential had absolutely nothing to do with my concern.
notjomommasclint
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His shoulder had a slight tear with no surgery needed. Rest will fix that.. He did start off beastly in 11'.. So Even If the angels have to shut him down till June he will produce a greater return than the braves will get from walden. if he cannot regain his velocity he still knows how to pitch. 160ks with a jacked up shoulder! Thats pitching! In my opinion.
Waldens mechanics are going to smoke that elbow.. Literally he might have to use a fire blanket for a jacket.
Waldens mechanics are going to smoke that elbow.. Literally he might have to use a fire blanket for a jacket.
Hallsgator
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Hiss stuff has been declining for the last two years. His fastball is one of the worst in the MLB. It is straight and slow.
And you keep talking about Walden's mechanics, have you ever seen Tommy throw? It's not pretty.
I will miss Tommy Hanson.
However he isn't worth 4 million.
However he isn't worth 4 million.
notjomommasclint
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Neither of them are going to be on any video i show my boys.. but With waldens velocity and that elbow load hes going to have issues. hansons shoulder cant be overly bad if he passes the physical. plus he still pitched well enough to sit down 160 batters. It's a risk I would take for a 2 starter if he can regain 100% health. I think he will
ballerskrip
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I disagree on Hanson. Shoulder Injuries for pitchers are a dead sentence for careers. I had them, I did rehab every day, twice a day for 5 years in college. I did end up having surgery, it didn't help. Rest and rehab are great, but a shredded shoulder is a shredded shoulder it will only get so much better. His velocity will likely be stuck in the 88-91 range no matter how much rest he gets.
notjomommasclint
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Labrum?
I'm only making my opinion based on what I have read. He said he is pain free off the mound and will be rested and ready by pitchers catchers date. That said i could be wrong.. its happened before!
i have seen players with stabilizer issues have surgery and still not be able to throw. If he passes physical I think this is a slam dunk for the angels.
thefasterblade
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The Braves should NOT deal Simmons for Justin Upton. A LF can be found, much harder to replace that elite glove at SS.
cstmleather
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As an Angels fan I'm glad to see Walden go. He did add a lot of 9th inning suspense though. Load them bases up and somehow get out of it..... or not.
markakis8
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I think AZ might have bit with Hanson, a SS (Ahmed or Pastornicky depending on how quickly they want a MLB ready SS), and two highly-touted arms (like Gilmartin, Spruill, or Graham). Hell, if I were the Braves, I'd make one of those arms Julio Teheran.
Hallsgator
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Those are not highly touted arms. And Hanson is not the ace that AZ would want. They want a ML ready SS, 3B, or top of the rotation pitcher as the centerpiece.
Hallsgator
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And Pastornicky as a key part of the trade? LOL
