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darocker80 said:
You may be right, maybe Seaver is better than Carlton. I happen to think Carlton was more dominant, and did it for some terrible teams! Not saying Seaver was on great teams either, just think Carlton edges Seaver as the list reflects. I could not justify moving Randy Johnson higher than 21 either. Sure he was great, but keep in mind everyone you move up, you have to move someone else down. I think the 20 above him were slightly better, I could be wrong.
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Thank you very much sir for your explanations, and great list! Love reading more extensivley about the ***** League players that I am not familiar with.bodiaz said:
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bodiaz said:
yeah I was also thinking Foxx at the time, but looking at his stats I agree he was better. I guess Pujols still has the rest of this year to finish his first decade... but officially I guess he only got 9 in.
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10. Lou Gehrig, 1B, New York (AL)
career 493 HR, 1995 RBI, .340 avg.
2 time AL MVP (1927, 1936)
1934 triple crown winner with 49 HR, 165 RBI, .363 avg., and an OPS of 1.172
His .632 career slg % and his 1.080 career OPS are both 3rd All Time
.447 OBP, and his 1995 RBI are both 5th All Time
His 493 career HR is 26th All Time
career 493 HR, 1995 RBI, .340 avg.
2 time AL MVP (1927, 1936)
1934 triple crown winner with 49 HR, 165 RBI, .363 avg., and an OPS of 1.172
His .632 career slg % and his 1.080 career OPS are both 3rd All Time
.447 OBP, and his 1995 RBI are both 5th All Time
His 493 career HR is 26th All Time
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bodiaz said:10. Lou Gehrig, 1B, New York (AL)
career 493 HR, 1995 RBI, .340 avg.
2 time AL MVP (1927, 1936)
1934 triple crown winner with 49 HR, 165 RBI, .363 avg., and an OPS of 1.172
His .632 career slg % and his 1.080 career OPS are both 3rd All Time
.447 OBP, and his 1995 RBI are both 5th All Time
His 493 career HR is 26th All Time
interesting.. I might have him in the 2-4 range.
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donrusscrusademan said:bodiaz said:10. Lou Gehrig, 1B, New York (AL)
career 493 HR, 1995 RBI, .340 avg.
2 time AL MVP (1927, 1936)
1934 triple crown winner with 49 HR, 165 RBI, .363 avg., and an OPS of 1.172
His .632 career slg % and his 1.080 career OPS are both 3rd All Time
.447 OBP, and his 1995 RBI are both 5th All Time
His 493 career HR is 26th All Time
interesting.. I might have him in the 2-4 range.
And I could not argue against that either. The top 10 are VERY tough to slot! All 10 of these players were near flawless for a very long time!
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How did lou geherig not win the MVP when he got his triple crown?!
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darocker80 said:
I dont know if that was in the time frame, but for a while the MVP was a "lifetime achievement" award.. without that ruling it would have been Ruth/Gehrig winning for a decade straight. Ruth would have more than Bonds
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9. Satchel Paige, Pitcher ***** Leagues
Leroy Robert "Satchel" Paige (7 July 1906 - 8 June 1982) was one of the greatest baseball pitchers of all time.
Satchel Paige was born in Mobile, Alabama. Paige began pitching professionally in 1926, and pitched his last major league innings in 1965.
He is known today for his longevity and age. It is true that he was the oldest major league rookie ever, when he joined the Cleveland Indians in 1948, and that he was pitching professionally into his late fifties. What this overlooks is the fact that in his youth, Paige was the pitching star of the ***** Leagues. At a time when African-Americans were barred from the major leagues, Paige drew huge crowds, black and white. His pitching propelled the Pittsburgh Crawfords to the top of the ***** National League in the early 1930s, and then did the same for the Kansas City Monarchs during their four-year skein of ***** American League pennants from 1939 to 1942.
Paige was the biggest drawing card in ***** League baseball. His presence guaranteed large crowds. Paige was often tempted to jump from team to team or league to league, to get a bigger paycheck. In 1937, he led a large group of ***** Leaguers to the Dominican Republic, to play for a team owned by Dominican president Rafael L. Trujillo. The move decimated the Crawfords, from which Paige and most of the players hailed. Later, Paige went to play in the Mexican League.
It was in the Mexican League that Paige's fabled arm went dead. He could barely lift his arm, much less pitch. Having burned a number of bridges behind him in the States, only one ballclub owner was willing to give Paige a chance to play ball again -- J.L. Wilkinson of the Monarchs. Paige's return to baseball greatness took place without his blazing fastball; Paige now had to rely on control, guile and the occasional trick pitch.
His performance in exhibition games with major league teams led Dizzy Dean, Bob Feller, Joe Dimaggio, and Ted Williams to proclaim Paige the best pitcher in baseball.
After Jackie Robinson was signed to play major league baseball, many thought it was a shame that Paige, now in his forties, never got the same chance. Bill Veeck, the Indians owner, took a chance and signed Paige in midseason 1948. Paige won six games and lost one, and pitched in relief in others, down the stretch. The Indians won their first pennant in 28 years, putting to rest the talk that Veeck had merely signed Paige as a publicity stunt. Of course, the publicity didn't hurt. Paige drew over 70,000 fans during two of his starts, an attendance record for baseball at the time, and helped the Indians set the season attendance mark that year.
He was elected to the United States Baseball Hall of Fame on (February 9, 1971), the first player so elected by the ***** League Committee.
Paige died in 1982 in Kansas City, Missouri a mere month before his 76th birthday. He is buried on Paige Island in the Forest Hill Memorial Park Cemetery in Kansas City, Missouri.
Satchel Paige's Rules for Staying Young
Paige's rules originally appeared in the June 13, 1953 issue of Collier's. The version below is taken from his autobiography, Maybe I'll Pitch Forever (as told to David Lipman, 1962):
Avoid fried meats which angry up the blood.
If your stomach disputes you, lie down and pacify it with cool thoughts.
Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gently as you move.
Go very light on the vices, such as carrying on in society -- the social ramble ain't restful.
Avoid running at all times.
And don't look back -- something might be gaining on you.
Leroy Robert "Satchel" Paige (7 July 1906 - 8 June 1982) was one of the greatest baseball pitchers of all time.
Satchel Paige was born in Mobile, Alabama. Paige began pitching professionally in 1926, and pitched his last major league innings in 1965.
He is known today for his longevity and age. It is true that he was the oldest major league rookie ever, when he joined the Cleveland Indians in 1948, and that he was pitching professionally into his late fifties. What this overlooks is the fact that in his youth, Paige was the pitching star of the ***** Leagues. At a time when African-Americans were barred from the major leagues, Paige drew huge crowds, black and white. His pitching propelled the Pittsburgh Crawfords to the top of the ***** National League in the early 1930s, and then did the same for the Kansas City Monarchs during their four-year skein of ***** American League pennants from 1939 to 1942.
Paige was the biggest drawing card in ***** League baseball. His presence guaranteed large crowds. Paige was often tempted to jump from team to team or league to league, to get a bigger paycheck. In 1937, he led a large group of ***** Leaguers to the Dominican Republic, to play for a team owned by Dominican president Rafael L. Trujillo. The move decimated the Crawfords, from which Paige and most of the players hailed. Later, Paige went to play in the Mexican League.
It was in the Mexican League that Paige's fabled arm went dead. He could barely lift his arm, much less pitch. Having burned a number of bridges behind him in the States, only one ballclub owner was willing to give Paige a chance to play ball again -- J.L. Wilkinson of the Monarchs. Paige's return to baseball greatness took place without his blazing fastball; Paige now had to rely on control, guile and the occasional trick pitch.
His performance in exhibition games with major league teams led Dizzy Dean, Bob Feller, Joe Dimaggio, and Ted Williams to proclaim Paige the best pitcher in baseball.
After Jackie Robinson was signed to play major league baseball, many thought it was a shame that Paige, now in his forties, never got the same chance. Bill Veeck, the Indians owner, took a chance and signed Paige in midseason 1948. Paige won six games and lost one, and pitched in relief in others, down the stretch. The Indians won their first pennant in 28 years, putting to rest the talk that Veeck had merely signed Paige as a publicity stunt. Of course, the publicity didn't hurt. Paige drew over 70,000 fans during two of his starts, an attendance record for baseball at the time, and helped the Indians set the season attendance mark that year.
He was elected to the United States Baseball Hall of Fame on (February 9, 1971), the first player so elected by the ***** League Committee.
Paige died in 1982 in Kansas City, Missouri a mere month before his 76th birthday. He is buried on Paige Island in the Forest Hill Memorial Park Cemetery in Kansas City, Missouri.
Satchel Paige's Rules for Staying Young
Paige's rules originally appeared in the June 13, 1953 issue of Collier's. The version below is taken from his autobiography, Maybe I'll Pitch Forever (as told to David Lipman, 1962):
Avoid fried meats which angry up the blood.
If your stomach disputes you, lie down and pacify it with cool thoughts.
Keep the juices flowing by jangling around gently as you move.
Go very light on the vices, such as carrying on in society -- the social ramble ain't restful.
Avoid running at all times.
And don't look back -- something might be gaining on you.
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8. Willie Mays, CF New York/San Francisco (NL)
career 660 HR, 1903 RBI, .302 avg
2 time NL MVP (1954,1965)
1951 NL Rookie of the Year with 20 HR, 68 RBI, .274 avg. and 5 triples
24 time All Star, 12 time Gold Glove, 4 time HR leader, 1 time batting champ
2062 career runs scored is 7th All Time
6066 total bases is 3rd All Time, and his 660 HR is 4th All Time
career 660 HR, 1903 RBI, .302 avg
2 time NL MVP (1954,1965)
1951 NL Rookie of the Year with 20 HR, 68 RBI, .274 avg. and 5 triples
24 time All Star, 12 time Gold Glove, 4 time HR leader, 1 time batting champ
2062 career runs scored is 7th All Time
6066 total bases is 3rd All Time, and his 660 HR is 4th All Time
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7. Christy Mathewson, Pitcher New York (NL)
career 373 Wins, 188 Losses, 2.13 ERA
1910 NL MVP 27 wins, 9 losses, 1.89 ERA and 27 complete games
Won 2 pitching triple crowns (1905,1908) And in 1908 he also led the league in saves.
His career 373 wins, and 79 shutouts are both 3rd All Time
Led league in Wins 4 times, ERA 5 times, Strikeouts 5 times, WHIP 4 times, Shutouts 4 times, and SO/W ratio 9 times.
career 1.058 WHIP is 7th All Time
career 373 Wins, 188 Losses, 2.13 ERA
1910 NL MVP 27 wins, 9 losses, 1.89 ERA and 27 complete games
Won 2 pitching triple crowns (1905,1908) And in 1908 he also led the league in saves.
His career 373 wins, and 79 shutouts are both 3rd All Time
Led league in Wins 4 times, ERA 5 times, Strikeouts 5 times, WHIP 4 times, Shutouts 4 times, and SO/W ratio 9 times.
career 1.058 WHIP is 7th All Time
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6. Honus Wagner, Shortstop Pittsburgh
career 101 HR, 1733 RBI, .328 avg.
Won 8 batting titles in his career, and led the league in OPS 8 times. Led league in slg % 6 times.
252 career triples ranks 3rd All Time
3420 hits ranks 7th All Time
723 Stolen Bases ranks 10th All Time
2424 singles is 6th All Time
career 101 HR, 1733 RBI, .328 avg.
Won 8 batting titles in his career, and led the league in OPS 8 times. Led league in slg % 6 times.
252 career triples ranks 3rd All Time
3420 hits ranks 7th All Time
723 Stolen Bases ranks 10th All Time
2424 singles is 6th All Time
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Nice Idea, But Yes 2 or 3 A Day Plz
Nice Idea, But Yes 2 or 3 A Day Plz
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I would switch Wagner and Gehrig IMO
Also, why Wagner over Speaker? Speaker has the higher career BA/OBP/SLG%/OPS+ (Though Wagner does have him in 3Bs and SBs...)
[Got your pm btw, much appreciated for the heads up]
Also, why Wagner over Speaker? Speaker has the higher career BA/OBP/SLG%/OPS+ (Though Wagner does have him in 3Bs and SBs...)
[Got your pm btw, much appreciated for the heads up]
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Mays is top 3 for me. You have to factor in that he lost 2 years (70-80 homeruns) while in the Army. I know it's your list. Can't wait to see Bonds #1.
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Should've been Mays #2 and Bonds #1IndyMann said:
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Should've been Mays #2 and Aaron #1. But that's just me.darocker80 said:Should've been Mays #2 and Bonds #1IndyMann said:
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guessing babe r uth #1
