Top 50 Prospects

[goblue6919]

Chuck James numbers in the minors 31-18 2.24 ERA 517 K's in 465 IP. You would think he was a future CY winner according to numbers in the minors. Bumgarner arguably has less stuff than James does if he can't get his fastball popping over 92 again. Bumgarner isn't even a top 20 prospect for me.

Have you ever seen Bumgarner pitch?

He wasn't throwing harder than 91 because he had a dead arm half of the season.

 

[darocker80]

Chuck James numbers in the minors 31-18 2.24 ERA 517 K's in 465 IP. You would think he was a future CY winner according to numbers in the minors. Bumgarner arguably has less stuff than James does if he can't get his fastball popping over 92 again. Bumgarner isn't even a top 20 prospect for me.

Have you ever seen Bumgarner pitch?

He wasn't throwing harder than 91 because he had a dead arm half of the season.

Yup.

Nice sig btw.

 

[jbone17]

Chuck James numbers in the minors 31-18 2.24 ERA 517 K's in 465 IP. You would think he was a future CY winner according to numbers in the minors. Bumgarner arguably has less stuff than James does if he can't get his fastball popping over 92 again. Bumgarner isn't even a top 20 prospect for me.

Have you ever seen Bumgarner pitch?

He wasn't throwing harder than 91 because he had a dead arm half of the season.

I have seen Bum pitch twice and this kid can throw. He has the best pick off move I have ever seen and each time I saw him pitch he was filthy. Again, it was fatigue.

 

[TheGamesBest]

i know im a homer but c'mon no Brett Wallace or Kyle Drabek..Whats up with that??

your right. Brett wallace and kyle drabek should absolutely be on it. that was my mistake that i left them out.

 

[beefycheddar]

Green absolutely demolished the Cape League in 2008. What more do you need to see in a player than that? Output wise it is a close comparison to High A or Double A and he demolished the league. His .348 average was fourth in the league as he was among the league leaders in most offensive categories...he was second in the league for runs scored (37) and slugging percentage (.537) and third in hits (56), doubles (12) and extra-base hits (19)...his .451 on-base percentage was the fifth-highest in the league...he was 10-for-13 in stolen bases..

He also was great in college, what more do you need to see?

I love me some Grant Green & am a believer but I'm curious as to what makes you think the underlined statement of your's above is so?
As I don't see any correlation/similarities between the Cape Cod League & High A, or especially Double-A, besides the young player's whom may 1 day be in High A and/or Double A (once they've actually matured, acclimated themselves to the sport of baseball enough, & earned thier promotion's to such level)...Which if this happens to be the only correlation/similarities that you're using to justify your opinion when stating what you did, then what is the difference in your statement & someone who states that the Rookie/Pioneer League is in close comparison, output wise, to High A or Double A???

Other than what I feel to be a false comparison between the Cape Cod League & High A/Double A, I do agree with you on Grant Green's evaluation (he does look like he's something "special" & has alot to offer baseball & prospector's alike)!

I speak to scouts for the first half of the season at Cape games, and they stated what I say. Players who come out of the Cape will produce roughly at the same level at high A as they do statistically in the league, in low A they will perform better than they did in the Cape, and in Double A will be slightly lower than in the Cape at first. Also players have stated the same to me, coaches, and Bret Sabrehagen as well. It's actually a fairly commonly held philosophy around my area. I could find some players stats to back it up if need be.

Also players have matured a decent bit in the Cape over some minor leagues due to going to college. Most Cape players start in high A due to going to college and have matured past the high school signees.

 

[beefycheddar]

Examples of players Cape League Averages.

Brett Wallace .248
Justin Smoak .286
Jacoby Ellsbury .245
Matt Laporta .250
Todd Frazier .136
Matt Wieters .307
Michael Taylor .243
Yonder Alonso .338
Robert Stock .228 and .270
Alex Avila .245
Ike Davis .246
Gordon Beckham .284
Grant Green .291 and .348
Brett Jackson .238
AJ ******* .377
Dustin Ackley .415 in 12 games
Jared Mitchell .091 in 5 games

 

[darocker80]

Examples of players Cape League Averages.

Brett Wallace .248
Justin Smoak .286
Jacoby Ellsbury .245
Matt Laporta .250
Todd Frazier .136
Matt Wieters .307
Michael Taylor .243
Yonder Alonso .338
Robert Stock .228 and .270
Alex Avila .245
Ike Davis .246
Gordon Beckham .284
Grant Green .291 and .348
Brett Jackson .238
AJ ******* .377
Dustin Ackley .415 in 12 games
Jared Mitchell .091 in 5 games

Jared Mitchel- a speedy Wendell Fairley?!

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

I speak to scouts for the first half of the season at Cape games, and they stated what I say. Players who come out of the Cape will produce roughly at the same level at high A as they do statistically in the league, in low A they will perform better than they did in the Cape, and in Double A will be slightly lower than in the Cape at first. Also players have stated the same to me, coaches, and Bret Sabrehagen as well. It's actually a fairly commonly held philosophy around my area. I could find some players stats to back it up if need be.

Also players have matured a decent bit in the Cape over some minor leagues due to going to college. Most Cape players start in high A due to going to college and have matured past the high school signees.

So of the hundreds upon hundreds of Cape Cod player's that have gone onto play in the minors, what percentage do you think your theory holds water with? I'm just curious as you are stating this as if this were fact & if this were indeed factual then I'm sure there would be a pretty high percentage overall whom performed at the same level in High A/Double A as they did in the Cape Cod League (which this would then be news to me & very useful to boot! ). But if there are only a handful of example's to show this pattern, wouldn't you take them to be the exception & not the rule? I have never heard of this info (though I do not doubt that you speak to scout's & they say this) & am finding it somewhat hard to believe that this particular level of play could be considered an equal crossover to that of pro-ball in the minor's (being Hi-A & especially Double A where many player's are deemed ready to play in the big's)!

 

[beefycheddar]

I speak to scouts for the first half of the season at Cape games, and they stated what I say. Players who come out of the Cape will produce roughly at the same level at high A as they do statistically in the league, in low A they will perform better than they did in the Cape, and in Double A will be slightly lower than in the Cape at first. Also players have stated the same to me, coaches, and Bret Sabrehagen as well. It's actually a fairly commonly held philosophy around my area. I could find some players stats to back it up if need be.

Also players have matured a decent bit in the Cape over some minor leagues due to going to college. Most Cape players start in high A due to going to college and have matured past the high school signees.

So of the hundreds upon hundreds of Cape Cod player's that have gone onto play in the minors, what percentage do you think your theory holds water with? I'm just curious as you are stating this as if this were fact & if this were indeed factual then I'm sure there would be a pretty high percentage overall whom performed at the same level in High A/Double A as they did in the Cape Cod League (which this would then be news to me & very useful to boot! ). But if there are only a handful of example's to show this pattern, wouldn't you take them to be the exception & not the rule? I have never heard of this info (though I do not doubt that you speak to scout's & they say this) & am finding it somewhat hard to believe that this particular level of play could be considered an equal crossover to that of pro-ball in the minor's (being Hi-A & especially Double A where many player's are deemed ready to play in the big's)!

You can look at the stats I provided over a decent number of successful players over the last 5 years, I think most of them, if not all have actually been more successful in the minors than on Cape. Top prospect hitters or MVP's of the league recently include AJ *******, Justin Smoak, Longoria and Laporta.

 

[ballerskrip]

The Cape is a great league, NO DOUBT about it. BUT, being successful there doesn't guarantee ANYTHING.

Have you ever heard of more than 2-3 of these guys? These are the 2004 league leaders


Batting avg:
Pat Reilly
Ryan Patterson
jordan brown
Will rhymes
Bryan Harris
Daniel Carte
Warner Jones

ERA
Dallas Buck
Mark Mccormick
Zach Ward
David Huf
Matt Goyen
Mike Madsen

Just proving a point

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

I speak to scouts for the first half of the season at Cape games, and they stated what I say. Players who come out of the Cape will produce roughly at the same level at high A as they do statistically in the league, in low A they will perform better than they did in the Cape, and in Double A will be slightly lower than in the Cape at first. Also players have stated the same to me, coaches, and Bret Sabrehagen as well. It's actually a fairly commonly held philosophy around my area. I could find some players stats to back it up if need be.

Also players have matured a decent bit in the Cape over some minor leagues due to going to college. Most Cape players start in high A due to going to college and have matured past the high school signees.

So of the hundreds upon hundreds of Cape Cod player's that have gone onto play in the minors, what percentage do you think your theory holds water with? I'm just curious as you are stating this as if this were fact & if this were indeed factual then I'm sure there would be a pretty high percentage overall whom performed at the same level in High A/Double A as they did in the Cape Cod League (which this would then be news to me & very useful to boot! ). But if there are only a handful of example's to show this pattern, wouldn't you take them to be the exception & not the rule? I have never heard of this info (though I do not doubt that you speak to scout's & they say this) & am finding it somewhat hard to believe that this particular level of play could be considered an equal crossover to that of pro-ball in the minor's (being Hi-A & especially Double A where many player's are deemed ready to play in the big's)!

You can look at the stats I provided over a decent number of successful players over the last 5 years, I think most of them, if not all have actually been more successful in the minors than on Cape.

So what does that have to do with the Cape League transferring over to High A/Double A with the same average? I would expect that player's would progress as they mature (I never said I doubted that, but I also don't think a player's average in the Cape League transfers over to equal "the same average" or success in the minor's; which you seemed to be stating in your initial post). Basically Grant Green's success in the Cape League doesn't = success in the minor's (but I'm a believer in Green & not because he played in the Cape League, I would've been just as much a believer even if he never attended the Cape League).

I think you're giving too much credit to the Cape Cod League whereas these player's, for the most part, are very good BEFORE they go there (which is probably the entire reason they've been allowed access to such). Though I do not doubt there is a level of improvement while in the league, this league is not the equivalent of High A nor Double A....I just don't buy that. To each his own though.

 

[beefycheddar]

The Cape is a great league, NO DOUBT about it. BUT, being successful there doesn't guarantee ANYTHING.

Have you ever heard of more than 2-3 of these guys? These are the 2004 league leaders


Batting avg:
Pat Reilly
Ryan Patterson
jordan brown
Will rhymes
Bryan Harris
Daniel Carte
Warner Jones

ERA
Dallas Buck
Mark Mccormick
Zach Ward
David Huf
Matt Goyen
Mike Madsen

Just proving a point

Taking a one year sample isn't much. I gave samples of successful players in the minors batting averages over a 5 year period. I never said you don't have successful players in the cape that don't pan out, but a great deal do. Especially if you look at the Top Prospect award since that is voted by the MLB scouts.

 

[beefycheddar]

I speak to scouts for the first half of the season at Cape games, and they stated what I say. Players who come out of the Cape will produce roughly at the same level at high A as they do statistically in the league, in low A they will perform better than they did in the Cape, and in Double A will be slightly lower than in the Cape at first. Also players have stated the same to me, coaches, and Bret Sabrehagen as well. It's actually a fairly commonly held philosophy around my area. I could find some players stats to back it up if need be.

Also players have matured a decent bit in the Cape over some minor leagues due to going to college. Most Cape players start in high A due to going to college and have matured past the high school signees.

So of the hundreds upon hundreds of Cape Cod player's that have gone onto play in the minors, what percentage do you think your theory holds water with? I'm just curious as you are stating this as if this were fact & if this were indeed factual then I'm sure there would be a pretty high percentage overall whom performed at the same level in High A/Double A as they did in the Cape Cod League (which this would then be news to me & very useful to boot! ). But if there are only a handful of example's to show this pattern, wouldn't you take them to be the exception & not the rule? I have never heard of this info (though I do not doubt that you speak to scout's & they say this) & am finding it somewhat hard to believe that this particular level of play could be considered an equal crossover to that of pro-ball in the minor's (being Hi-A & especially Double A where many player's are deemed ready to play in the big's)!

You can look at the stats I provided over a decent number of successful players over the last 5 years, I think most of them, if not all have actually been more successful in the minors than on Cape.

So what does that have to do with the Cape League transferring over to High A/Double A with the same average? I would expect that player's would progress as they mature (I never said I doubted that, but I also don't think a player's average in the Cape League transfers over to equal "the same average" or success in the minor's; which you seemed to be stating in your initial post). Basically Grant Green's success in the Cape League doesn't = success in the minor's (but I'm a believer in Green & not because he played in the Cape League, I would've been just as much a believer even if he never attended the Cape League).

I think you're giving too much credit to the Cape Cod League whereas these player's, for the most part, are very good BEFORE they go there (which is probably the entire reason they've been allowed access to such). Though I do not doubt there is a level of improvement while in the league, this league is not the equivalent of High A nor Double A....I just don't buy that. To each his own though.

You can not believe that, but it's the best showcase for a player to improve his draft stock that there is for a college player. I don't think ANYONE can argue there is a better showcase. That would show that scouts believe in the league and that it will compare to performances in the minors. Players on my team have said that their agents tell them to go to the Cape over Team USA because it will help their draft stock more if they succeed on Cape than in Team USA. If the MLB scouts believe in their success based on the league, why is that not good enough for you?

 

[ballerskrip]

I speak to scouts for the first half of the season at Cape games, and they stated what I say. Players who come out of the Cape will produce roughly at the same level at high A as they do statistically in the league, in low A they will perform better than they did in the Cape, and in Double A will be slightly lower than in the Cape at first. Also players have stated the same to me, coaches, and Bret Sabrehagen as well. It's actually a fairly commonly held philosophy around my area. I could find some players stats to back it up if need be.

Also players have matured a decent bit in the Cape over some minor leagues due to going to college. Most Cape players start in high A due to going to college and have matured past the high school signees.

So of the hundreds upon hundreds of Cape Cod player's that have gone onto play in the minors, what percentage do you think your theory holds water with? I'm just curious as you are stating this as if this were fact & if this were indeed factual then I'm sure there would be a pretty high percentage overall whom performed at the same level in High A/Double A as they did in the Cape Cod League (which this would then be news to me & very useful to boot! ). But if there are only a handful of example's to show this pattern, wouldn't you take them to be the exception & not the rule? I have never heard of this info (though I do not doubt that you speak to scout's & they say this) & am finding it somewhat hard to believe that this particular level of play could be considered an equal crossover to that of pro-ball in the minor's (being Hi-A & especially Double A where many player's are deemed ready to play in the big's)!

You can look at the stats I provided over a decent number of successful players over the last 5 years, I think most of them, if not all have actually been more successful in the minors than on Cape.

So what does that have to do with the Cape League transferring over to High A/Double A with the same average? I would expect that player's would progress as they mature (I never said I doubted that, but I also don't think a player's average in the Cape League transfers over to equal "the same average" or success in the minor's; which you seemed to be stating in your initial post). Basically Grant Green's success in the Cape League doesn't = success in the minor's (but I'm a believer in Green & not because he played in the Cape League, I would've been just as much a believer even if he never attended the Cape League).

I think you're giving too much credit to the Cape Cod League whereas these player's, for the most part, are very good BEFORE they go there (which is probably the entire reason they've been allowed access to such). Though I do not doubt there is a level of improvement while in the league, this league is not the equivalent of High A nor Double A....I just don't buy that. To each his own though.

You can not believe that, but it's the best showcase for a player to improve his draft stock that there is for a college player. I don't think ANYONE can argue there is a better showcase. That would show that scouts believe in the league and that it will compare to performances in the minors. Players on my team have said that their agents tell them to go to the Cape over Team USA because it will help their draft stock more if they succeed on Cape than in Team USA. If the MLB scouts believe in their success based on the league, why is that not good enough for you?

While this is true, the talent in college has become more spread out over the years. The Alaskan League is VERY good. It doesn't get the same pub as the Cape, but MANY big time players go there. Anyways, I am not going to argue against the Cape, becuase it is a great league. I just don't really agree with your line of thinking on this. These players that are in the Cape League are Big names to begin with, The Cape didn't make them. But it CAN help them solidify draft position, but so can a good season in any of the summer wood bat leagues.

skrip

 

[beefycheddar]

[quote="beefycheddar":1pruwhn4]
I speak to scouts for the first half of the season at Cape games, and they stated what I say. Players who come out of the Cape will produce roughly at the same level at high A as they do statistically in the league, in low A they will perform better than they did in the Cape, and in Double A will be slightly lower than in the Cape at first. Also players have stated the same to me, coaches, and Bret Sabrehagen as well. It's actually a fairly commonly held philosophy around my area. I could find some players stats to back it up if need be.

Also players have matured a decent bit in the Cape over some minor leagues due to going to college. Most Cape players start in high A due to going to college and have matured past the high school signees.

So of the hundreds upon hundreds of Cape Cod player's that have gone onto play in the minors, what percentage do you think your theory holds water with? I'm just curious as you are stating this as if this were fact & if this were indeed factual then I'm sure there would be a pretty high percentage overall whom performed at the same level in High A/Double A as they did in the Cape Cod League (which this would then be news to me & very useful to boot! ). But if there are only a handful of example's to show this pattern, wouldn't you take them to be the exception & not the rule? I have never heard of this info (though I do not doubt that you speak to scout's & they say this) & am finding it somewhat hard to believe that this particular level of play could be considered an equal crossover to that of pro-ball in the minor's (being Hi-A & especially Double A where many player's are deemed ready to play in the big's)!

You can look at the stats I provided over a decent number of successful players over the last 5 years, I think most of them, if not all have actually been more successful in the minors than on Cape.

So what does that have to do with the Cape League transferring over to High A/Double A with the same average? I would expect that player's would progress as they mature (I never said I doubted that, but I also don't think a player's average in the Cape League transfers over to equal "the same average" or success in the minor's; which you seemed to be stating in your initial post). Basically Grant Green's success in the Cape League doesn't = success in the minor's (but I'm a believer in Green & not because he played in the Cape League, I would've been just as much a believer even if he never attended the Cape League).

I think you're giving too much credit to the Cape Cod League whereas these player's, for the most part, are very good BEFORE they go there (which is probably the entire reason they've been allowed access to such). Though I do not doubt there is a level of improvement while in the league, this league is not the equivalent of High A nor Double A....I just don't buy that. To each his own though.

You can not believe that, but it's the best showcase for a player to improve his draft stock that there is for a college player. I don't think ANYONE can argue there is a better showcase. That would show that scouts believe in the league and that it will compare to performances in the minors. Players on my team have said that their agents tell them to go to the Cape over Team USA because it will help their draft stock more if they succeed on Cape than in Team USA. If the MLB scouts believe in their success based on the league, why is that not good enough for you?

While this is true, the talent in college has become more spread out over the years. The Alaskan League is VERY good. It doesn't get the same pub as the Cape, but MANY big time players go there. Anyways, I am not going to argue against the Cape, becuase it is a great league. I just don't really agree with your line of thinking on this. These players that are in the Cape League are Big names to begin with, The Cape didn't make them. But it CAN help them solidify draft position, but so can a good season in any of the summer wood bat leagues.

skrip[/quote:1pruwhn4]

I never said the league alone makes them, it's performance. There is no league with the depth of prospects of the Cape. They are good when they get to the Cape, but a good year here can boost tremendously, but also a bad year here can hurt a lot. Other leagues have talent, but none have the amount of talent that comes to Cape Cod. There wouldn't be a full crowd of scouts and agents at every game for the first month and a half of the season if there wasn't. 207 Cape League Alumni were in the MLB in 2008, 234 Cape Leaguers were drafted in 2009 including 20 in the first and supplemental round. Can anywhere else at all provide these numbers?

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

[quote="beefycheddar":23f8e5s0]
I speak to scouts for the first half of the season at Cape games, and they stated what I say. Players who come out of the Cape will produce roughly at the same level at high A as they do statistically in the league, in low A they will perform better than they did in the Cape, and in Double A will be slightly lower than in the Cape at first. Also players have stated the same to me, coaches, and Bret Sabrehagen as well. It's actually a fairly commonly held philosophy around my area. I could find some players stats to back it up if need be.

Also players have matured a decent bit in the Cape over some minor leagues due to going to college. Most Cape players start in high A due to going to college and have matured past the high school signees.

So of the hundreds upon hundreds of Cape Cod player's that have gone onto play in the minors, what percentage do you think your theory holds water with? I'm just curious as you are stating this as if this were fact & if this were indeed factual then I'm sure there would be a pretty high percentage overall whom performed at the same level in High A/Double A as they did in the Cape Cod League (which this would then be news to me & very useful to boot! ). But if there are only a handful of example's to show this pattern, wouldn't you take them to be the exception & not the rule? I have never heard of this info (though I do not doubt that you speak to scout's & they say this) & am finding it somewhat hard to believe that this particular level of play could be considered an equal crossover to that of pro-ball in the minor's (being Hi-A & especially Double A where many player's are deemed ready to play in the big's)!

You can look at the stats I provided over a decent number of successful players over the last 5 years, I think most of them, if not all have actually been more successful in the minors than on Cape.

So what does that have to do with the Cape League transferring over to High A/Double A with the same average? I would expect that player's would progress as they mature (I never said I doubted that, but I also don't think a player's average in the Cape League transfers over to equal "the same average" or success in the minor's; which you seemed to be stating in your initial post). Basically Grant Green's success in the Cape League doesn't = success in the minor's (but I'm a believer in Green & not because he played in the Cape League, I would've been just as much a believer even if he never attended the Cape League).

I think you're giving too much credit to the Cape Cod League whereas these player's, for the most part, are very good BEFORE they go there (which is probably the entire reason they've been allowed access to such). Though I do not doubt there is a level of improvement while in the league, this league is not the equivalent of High A nor Double A....I just don't buy that. To each his own though.

You can not believe that, but it's the best showcase for a player to improve his draft stock that there is for a college player. I don't think ANYONE can argue there is a better showcase. That would show that scouts believe in the league and that it will compare to performances in the minors. Players on my team have said that their agents tell them to go to the Cape over Team USA because it will help their draft stock more if they succeed on Cape than in Team USA. If the MLB scouts believe in their success based on the league, why is that not good enough for you?

While this is true, the talent in college has become more spread out over the years. The Alaskan League is VERY good. It doesn't get the same pub as the Cape, but MANY big time players go there. Anyways, I am not going to argue against the Cape, becuase it is a great league. I just don't really agree with your line of thinking on this. These players that are in the Cape League are Big names to begin with, The Cape didn't make them. But it CAN help them solidify draft position, but so can a good season in any of the summer wood bat leagues.

skrip[/quote:23f8e5s0]

Basically what Skrip stated is what I was going to type so I'll leave it at that. I didn't initially respond to get in a stand off over the Cape League as it is a helluva good one "because of the player's that attend", but I don't agree that "Output wise it is a close comparison to High A or Double A"..I just do not believe it so.

Take care all...Go Grant Green!!!

 

[MTBright]

How about Trevor Reckling, he should be on there.

 

[G $MONEY$]

i know im a homer but c'mon no Brett Wallace or Kyle Drabek. .Whats up with that??

these where the two names i was looking for.

 

[Wes]

I do like your sleeper in Adrian!

Thanks... Cardenas is the man.

About the Friedrich being ranked so low. I do think he has the talent to be higher but I'm scared of Colorado pitchers.

And yet Matzek is #19?

Matzek throws minimum of 5mph harder and is 3 years younger. That looks like more upside to me.

But your right Matzek should be pushed give or take 5 down. I won't argue that.

Try arguing that.

 

[jbhofmann]

I could have overlooked someone, but the trend of only ranking pitching prospects on velocity is getting a little old for me. Who is the next Maddux, Glavine type guy that just flat out deals and can hit any spot in the zone?