Topps Sues Leaf Over "Best Of" Product!

[predatorkj]

Sorry to disappoint you as well, but yours isn't the opinion of everyone like you seem to think. Again, Leaf does just fine without your support. You can trash a company all you want, but it's meaningless. They will continue to make cards regardless of what you think of them.

So because college stuff is nowhere near as solid as pro stuff, you're telling me I'm trashing them? See this is why I hate getting into it with a lot of you. You have no idea about football products whatsoever and yet you're in here talking about them. You seem to think I just hatched this idea. A lot of you would do good to remember I never post unless I have at least done a little digging. College and even minor league stuff is nothing in this hobby compared to pro stuff. In baseball it's Bowman. In football, it's stuff like National Treasures and Contenders. Ask Gilmore how many people want Contenders or Treasures(even base topps jumbos or chrome and finest) over Leaf. Go ahead. At least if he comes back and says more people wanted Leaf, I'll know I'm wasting my time with you people.

 

[predatorkj]

The statement was that the leaf products were laughed out of stores.

This statement is seriously wrong, as stores sold the bejeezus out of both of the leaf draft releases.

It was around here. Not sure about you're area of Atlanta. People want pro stuff. Not college stuff. Don't get me wrong. You have college collectors. I'm one myself. Tell me...how is National Treasures selling? Worse than Leaf? Leaf needs a license. That is all I am saying. Why it's bothering the hell out of you guys is beyond me. You don't believe me...you want the number to the hobby shops I frequent? Let me know...

 

[cgilmo]

Re: Topps Sues Leaf Over "Best Of" Product!

Dude I worked for a master distributor. I saw orders for this product world wide.


Its your view that is limited, not mine.

 

[Weimer]

I'm so confused. People want pro stuff. Not college stuff. But there's college collectors and you're one of them. So uhh...what?

 

[tikitomoka]

Sorry to disappoint you as well, but yours isn't the opinion of everyone like you seem to think. Again, Leaf does just fine without your support. You can trash a company all you want, but it's meaningless. They will continue to make cards regardless of what you think of them.

So because college stuff is nowhere near as solid as pro stuff, you're telling me I'm trashing them? See this is why I hate getting into it with a lot of you. You have no idea about football products whatsoever and yet you're in here talking about them. You seem to think I just hatched this idea. A lot of you would do good to remember I never post unless I have at least done a little digging. College and even minor league stuff is nothing in this hobby compared to pro stuff. In baseball it's Bowman. In football, it's stuff like National Treasures and Contenders. Ask Gilmore how many people want Contenders or Treasures(even base topps jumbos or chrome and finest) over Leaf. Go ahead. At least if he comes back and says more people wanted Leaf, I'll know I'm wasting my time with you people.

Thats a stupid comparison. Leaf hasn't even attempted to make pro products, so comparing a low-mid end draft product to national treasures is utterly ridiculous. Leaf was the best, BY FAR, in what they did this year - which was a preseason draft product. Your view is that of a strictly local collector, and you're completely ignoring how well it was received on a national level by both collectors and resellers. The condescending posts youre making in this thread is doing nothing but making you look ignorant and close-minded.

 

[predatorkj]

Re: Topps Sues Leaf Over

Dude I worked for a master distributor. I saw orders for this product world wide.


Its your view that is limited, not mine.

So you saw what people ordered...not necessarily the reaction to it. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

 

[predatorkj]

Sorry to disappoint you as well, but yours isn't the opinion of everyone like you seem to think. Again, Leaf does just fine without your support. You can trash a company all you want, but it's meaningless. They will continue to make cards regardless of what you think of them.

So because college stuff is nowhere near as solid as pro stuff, you're telling me I'm trashing them? See this is why I hate getting into it with a lot of you. You have no idea about football products whatsoever and yet you're in here talking about them. You seem to think I just hatched this idea. A lot of you would do good to remember I never post unless I have at least done a little digging. College and even minor league stuff is nothing in this hobby compared to pro stuff. In baseball it's Bowman. In football, it's stuff like National Treasures and Contenders. Ask Gilmore how many people want Contenders or Treasures(even base topps jumbos or chrome and finest) over Leaf. Go ahead. At least if he comes back and says more people wanted Leaf, I'll know I'm wasting my time with you people.

Thats a stupid comparison. Leaf hasn't even attempted to make pro products, so comparing a low-mid end draft product to national treasures is utterly ridiculous. Leaf was the best, BY FAR, in what they did this year - which was a preseason draft product. Your view is that of a strictly local collector, and you're completely ignoring how well it was received on a national level by both collectors and resellers. The condescending posts youre making in this thread is doing nothing but making you look ignorant and close-minded.

My point was the pro stuff is where it's at. Nobody was stunned here at all by leaf. You act like I take what I think and assume it's truth. This goes way beyond me. Condescending? How about you stick to IP autos? How's that for condescending?

 

[cgilmo]

Re: Topps Sues Leaf Over "Best Of" Product!

cgilmo wroteude I worked for a master distributor. I saw orders for this product world wide.


Its your view that is limited, not mine.


So you saw what people ordered...not necessarily the reaction to it. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

A reorder is a reaction. If a store sells out and places another order they obviously think they can sell more. That means demand and that normally means the product is well received.

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Predator, your last few posts have been lacking content. Why don't you describe in great detail how you feel for CardMaggot and JoshCochead.

 

[tikitomoka]

Sorry to disappoint you as well, but yours isn't the opinion of everyone like you seem to think. Again, Leaf does just fine without your support. You can trash a company all you want, but it's meaningless. They will continue to make cards regardless of what you think of them.

So because college stuff is nowhere near as solid as pro stuff, you're telling me I'm trashing them? See this is why I hate getting into it with a lot of you. You have no idea about football products whatsoever and yet you're in here talking about them. You seem to think I just hatched this idea. A lot of you would do good to remember I never post unless I have at least done a little digging. College and even minor league stuff is nothing in this hobby compared to pro stuff. In baseball it's Bowman. In football, it's stuff like National Treasures and Contenders. Ask Gilmore how many people want Contenders or Treasures(even base topps jumbos or chrome and finest) over Leaf. Go ahead. At least if he comes back and says more people wanted Leaf, I'll know I'm wasting my time with you people.

Thats a stupid comparison. Leaf hasn't even attempted to make pro products, so comparing a low-mid end draft product to national treasures is utterly ridiculous. Leaf was the best, BY FAR, in what they did this year - which was a preseason draft product. Your view is that of a strictly local collector, and you're completely ignoring how well it was received on a national level by both collectors and resellers. The condescending posts youre making in this thread is doing nothing but making you look ignorant and close-minded.

My point was the pro stuff is where it's at. Nobody was stunned here at all by leaf. You act like I take what I think and assume it's truth. This goes way beyond me. Condescending? How about you stick to IP autos? How's that for condescending?

I guess you can't handle being told you're wrong by so many people. You're being a dick while also looking like an ignorant *******. Why don't you figure out what you're talking about before you come into a thread guns blazing and make a total ass out of yourself because you simply just have no idea.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Sorry to disappoint you as well, but yours isn't the opinion of everyone like you seem to think. Again, Leaf does just fine without your support. You can trash a company all you want, but it's meaningless. They will continue to make cards regardless of what you think of them.

So because college stuff is nowhere near as solid as pro stuff, you're telling me I'm trashing them? See this is why I hate getting into it with a lot of you. You have no idea about football products whatsoever and yet you're in here talking about them. You seem to think I just hatched this idea. A lot of you would do good to remember I never post unless I have at least done a little digging. College and even minor league stuff is nothing in this hobby compared to pro stuff. In baseball it's Bowman. In football, it's stuff like National Treasures and Contenders. Ask Gilmore how many people want Contenders or Treasures(even base topps jumbos or chrome and finest) over Leaf. Go ahead. At least if he comes back and says more people wanted Leaf, I'll know I'm wasting my time with you people.

WHAT IS YOUR POINT. No one is arguing that college or unlicensed football products are "better" or sell better than licensed NFL products. There is demand for ALL types of products. You are basically saying that certain products outsell other products. NO ****.

 

[cgilmo]

Re: Topps Sues Leaf Over "Best Of" Product!

When five star is better than inception, inception will be laughed off the shelves.

 

[Weimer]

Inception can be laughed right off the shelves into my house. I'll take it all. K thx.

 

[JoshHamilton]

Second and last post in this thread.

If a product sells out, it's a success.

Leaf Metal Draft sold out

Therefore, a success

 

[Weimer]

Second and last post in this thread.

If a product sells out, it's a success.

Leaf Metal Draft sold out

Therefore, a success

Nope. Pro stuff is where it's at, bitch. And this isn't pro stuff. No one wants college stuff. Not even the college collectors who collect college stuff. Guys like Brennan who collect Miami players don't want stuff like Leaf Metal Draft because it's too college-y for them. It's not enough pro. You get what I'm saying? College stuff sucks. Even college collectors don't like college stuff.

 

[Card Magnet]

[quote="Card Magnet":3q99bbd9]Leaf Metal Football was laughed right out of the hobby shop into customer's hands, into countless collections, and onto ebay, where it not only sold at respectable secondary market rates, but also held steady.

Yes, to college collectors. Right....lets just say Sage and Press pass are just as good as national treasures and topps chrome and finest. Wrong. None of the serious collectors touch the college stuff man. Don't even pretend you think they do. I'll say this was probably the best looking college type product in a long time but I'll also say cards featuring players in pro uniforms is where the big bucks are at. Ali is an oddball type of set. I'm not even considering it. Topps doesn't touch boxing currently.

I just don't see how any company without a license can make a dent in anything. They never have previously and they never will. I want to see Brian get a license. I'm behind him. I am just not drinking the koolaide you guys are. In any case, I think topps is trying to squash him before he can get a license. I for one hope he does get one and is successful. But I'm not giving him credit for being a competitor yet. Right now, he is competing against UD and Tristar as well as press pass and sage. Hell 200lb hockey player could outdo sage or press pass in his sleep. Not much competition there. UD's designs have sucked for a while now. Tristar is also a joke. When there are better alternatives(and there most certainly are) collectors will go to that. About all Leaf got was a head start(just like press pass and sage) and just like them, it sold for a while. Now with the good stuff coming, that's going to cool off. Badly.

Thank you for raining down your words of wisdom from your pedestal, for surely you set the bar for what "is" and "isn't" in the world of cards. If you don't buy it or have an appreciation for it, than it has to be garbage.

Who the hell ever claimed Sage or Press Pass compared to any of the high end items? They're low end sets, equivalent to something like Score. I do applaud your ability to pull bits of discussion that never existed out of your ass to argue against them.

I also want to thank you for clearing up what a serious collector is. I thought with all the time, effort, cash, and enjoyment I get from my college collection made me a serious collector. You really come off as a fracking tool.

Dude...you're taking my comment personally. I am a college collector too. Have you not read my sig. I collect college players from Texas Schools . My point is, and you can't deny it, the serious money is in pro stuff. Are you even remotely willing to argue that? Seriously? It's gotten this crazy on this board? The reason I brought up Sage and Press Pass(and no sir...it wasn't out of my ass) was because you want to act like they are competing against stuff like National Treasures and Chrome or Finest. Bullcrap. And if Leaf is college stuff, are they any better? Higher end maybe? Better? No. So how pray tell, in the sam hell are they any different besides being high end? Why am I tool for reporting what I have seen and heard? You act like I don't support Leaf. I do. I am just not giving them credit for being where they are not. I'm not sure how that makes me on a pedastal. I'm just like you...nobody. But I do not, nor will I , drink this koolaide. Sorry.[/quote:3q99bbd9]
Upper Deck Exquisite would like to butt in and let you know serious money is not just in pro product. The resale value is in high end products, regardless of pro or college theme. So yes, I will argue with you that serious collectors drop dough on non-pro products.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP COMPARING LEAF TO NATIONAL TREASURES ::facepalm:: . You claim I was acting like Leaf was a main competitor. It's not, yet you keep yammering on that it is. You don't compare a Comfort Inn to a Trump. Compare it to a Super 8 or Motel 6. National Treasures is a high end product, Leaf Metal and Ultimate are not. Forget apples to oranges, you're doing apples to a grove of orange trees. Stack Leaf up against some products in the same tier, and they do pretty damn well, especially for an unlicensed product.

The fact that your lcs can't move whatever they have means nothing on the large scale. It's a small sample on a large scale operation.

On a national level, people were all over Draft from what I saw online. I couldn't get my hands on a box locally. It sold like hotcakes. People who never touched college were buying boxes right here on this board. I'm sure that was the case with people not here as well. A couple of guys at the local card show had singles and boxes, and raved about it while trashing some comparably priced licensed products. They were similar to many reviews/postings online.

Now it's not for everyone, that's for damn sure. But hey, there's not a single product out there that's for everyone. You and your lcs don't seem to like it, and yet Leaf managed to move out box upon box, I'm sure flip a profit, and grow larger as a company. How the hell they did that without the three boxes at your lcs selling is a mystery. Perhaps it's a Festivus miracle.

Your opinion on Leaf Metal football is as valid as financial advice from M.C. Hammer. I can't make out what to think. On one hand, you say you are a college guy. On the other, you say that college is nothing. You say that you like Leaf and want them to succeed, yet you're cutting them down on everything they do. Even when you give credit, you manage to tie in an insult (Ali was good, but that's an oddball product, so it doesn't count, right?).

 

[SeattleSports]

Second and last post in this thread.

If a product sells out, it's a success.

Leaf Metal Draft sold out

Therefore, a success

Nope. Pro stuff is where it's at, bitch. And this isn't pro stuff. No one wants college stuff. Not even the college collectors who collect college stuff. Guys like Brennan who collect Miami players don't want stuff like Leaf Metal Draft because it's too college-y for them. It's not enough pro. You get what I'm saying? College stuff sucks. Even college collectors don't like college stuff.

::facepalm::

 

[Weimer]

Second and last post in this thread.

If a product sells out, it's a success.

Leaf Metal Draft sold out

Therefore, a success

Nope. Pro stuff is where it's at, bitch. And this isn't pro stuff. No one wants college stuff. Not even the college collectors who collect college stuff. Guys like Brennan who collect Miami players don't want stuff like Leaf Metal Draft because it's too college-y for them. It's not enough pro. You get what I'm saying? College stuff sucks. Even college collectors don't like college stuff.

::facepalm::

:lol:

You obviously didn't get that I was mocking someone. Thanks though.

 

[mlbfan10]

Second and last post in this thread.

If a product sells out, it's a success.

Leaf Metal Draft sold out

Therefore, a success

Nope. Pro stuff is where it's at, bitch. And this isn't pro stuff. No one wants college stuff. Not even the college collectors who collect college stuff. Guys like Brennan who collect Miami players don't want stuff like Leaf Metal Draft because it's too college-y for them. It's not enough pro. You get what I'm saying? College stuff sucks. Even college collectors don't like college stuff.

::facepalm::

Did you miss the sarcasm?

 

[SeattleSports]

Second and last post in this thread.

If a product sells out, it's a success.

Leaf Metal Draft sold out

Therefore, a success

Nope. Pro stuff is where it's at, bitch. And this isn't pro stuff. No one wants college stuff. Not even the college collectors who collect college stuff. Guys like Brennan who collect Miami players don't want stuff like Leaf Metal Draft because it's too college-y for them. It's not enough pro. You get what I'm saying? College stuff sucks. Even college collectors don't like college stuff.

::facepalm::

:lol:

You obviously didn't get that I was mocking someone. Thanks though.

haha apparently, whoops. I'm on my 19th hour of work today and my eyes are barely staring open, didn't read the previous messages as I saw this instantly. My bad! ahah