Trevor Bauer vs. Stanford Thread

[Jaypers]

Does he have a chance at #1?

Very, very slim. At least right now, anyway.

As I said, if numbers equaled draft stock he'd be #1 pretty easily.

 

[GiantsSuperCollector]

Does he have a chance at #1?

Very, very slim. At least right now, anyway.

As I said, if numbers equaled draft stock he'd be #1 pretty easily.

Hopefully they can see that his arm is made out of rubber and is The Freak #2.

 

[markakis8]

What about the O's taking him @ #4?

Also why wouldn't he go #1? It appears he has nastier stuff than his teammate....

 

[James52411]

Heck of an impressive performance.

 

[GiantsSuperCollector]

What about the O's taking him @ #4?

Also why wouldn't he go #1? It appears he has nastier stuff than his teammate....

His weird routines and ridiculous pitch counts. He does have nastier stuff than Cole.

 

[Jaypers]

What about the O's taking him @ #4?

Also why wouldn't he go #1? It appears he has nastier stuff than his teammate....

From this week's ASK BA:


Just about everyone seems to agree that Gerrit Cole is the best pitching prospect in college baseball. But a brief glance at UCLA's statistics has to make one wonder whether he's even the best pitcher on his own team. Trevor Bauer (7-1, 1.47, 110-23 K-BB in 74 IP, .148 opponent average) is markedly better than Cole (4-3, 2.22, 75-11 K-BB in 65 IP, .188 average) in every category. What are the numbers not telling us?

Corey Bunje Bower
Nashville

While Bauer has prettier stats than Cole, scouts give Cole the edge in other areas. Both pitchers have great life on their fastballs, but Cole has a little more velocity on his heater. He usually sits at 94-96 mph, while Bauer works at 91-93. Bauer's tremendous feel for his curveball makes his breaking ball more effective than Cole's slider, but Cole's is a true plus pitch. (For what it's worth, Bauer also has two versions of a slider.) Cole's changeup is better than Bauer's.

At 6-foot-4 and 220 pounds, Cole is more physical than Bauer, who's 6-foot-2 and 185 pounds. Scouts prefer Cole's more traditional delivery to Bauer's mechanics, which resemble Tim Lincecum's. Then again, there are nine teams kicking themselves for passing on Lincecum in the 2006 draft.

All of this is just splitting hairs, really. Barring an upset, Cole will be the first pitcher drafted in June and perhaps the No. 1 overall pick. Bauer very well could be the second pitcher chosen and/or go in the top five choices. As physically talented as Cole is, I'd take Bauer over any pitcher if I had to win a college game today.

 

[D-Lite]

I was at the game tonight there at Sunken Diamond and Bauer was just filthy. You could see it on the Stanford hitters' faces that they really had no idea what to do with him. His delivery is a bit exaggerated but the ball really popped. He was consistently 95 on the gun all night.

 

[sheetskout]

I wonder if the tremendous success of Bauer causes Pittsburgh to get confused on which pitcher to take and they take Rendon simply not to draft the wrong one. It seems the better Bauer does the more it says Rendon is the safe pick to me.

I have never been more excited about an upcoming June draft as this one and I wonder what this does to 2011 Bowman Draft Picks and Prospects. Hopefully, Topps doesn't screw this up because that product has the potential to be huge.

 

[soxrchamps07]

There's no doubt that Bauer's stuff is filthy, but his unwillingness to change his unorthadox routines (Using javelins to warm up, throwing balls to the backstop when warming up, etc.) is a little bit of a red flag. He straight up told MLB teams that he will not change his routine. If he wont change something as simple as a warmup or workout routine, what are the chances he's going to let MLB teams change something that will have a bigger effect in his develpment? Sure, the way he is pitching now is fine, but what happens when he hits a brick wall in the minors/majors and he won't change the thing that's the problem?

 

[NECpilgrims8]

There's no doubt that Bauer's stuff is filthy, but his unwillingness to change his unorthadox routines (Using javelins to warm up, throwing balls to the backstop when warming up, etc.) is a little bit of a red flag. He straight up told MLB teams that he will not change his routine. If he wont change something as simple as a warmup or workout routine, what are the chances he's going to let MLB teams change something that will have a bigger effect in his develpment? Sure, the way he is pitching now is fine, but what happens when he hits a brick wall in the minors/majors and he won't change the thing that's the problem?

A red flag? That he won't change his successful routine? That's a ridiculous statement.

It's the theory of...."if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Sure, they might have him tone down a couple things, but I can't see them telling him he can't prepare. A bunch of teams have a rule that pitchers can't long toss past 120 feet, but that is about 1/3 of the teams in MLB. Plus, it's not a set-in-stone rule.

 

[beefycheddar]

I know what scouts say, but I have a friend on UGA and he said when they faced Bauer and Cole it wasn't even close. Bauer was that much more dominant than Cole.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

I was finally able to find the video showing his routine and talking about leaving HS early for UCLA.

http://usafuturewatch.com/?p=1133

I guess he made the right decision...hehe.

 

[soxrchamps07]

There's no doubt that Bauer's stuff is filthy, but his unwillingness to change his unorthadox routines (Using javelins to warm up, throwing balls to the backstop when warming up, etc.) is a little bit of a red flag. He straight up told MLB teams that he will not change his routine. If he wont change something as simple as a warmup or workout routine, what are the chances he's going to let MLB teams change something that will have a bigger effect in his develpment? Sure, the way he is pitching now is fine, but what happens when he hits a brick wall in the minors/majors and he won't change the thing that's the problem?

A red flag? That he won't change his successful routine? That's a ridiculous statement.

It's the theory of...."if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Sure, they might have him tone down a couple things, but I can't see them telling him he can't prepare. A bunch of teams have a rule that pitchers can't long toss past 120 feet, but that is about 1/3 of the teams in MLB. Plus, it's not a set-in-stone rule.

You obviously didnt read my post. My point was if he wouldnt change something as simple as a warmup, whats to say he wouldnt change something in his pitching mechanics?

 

[NECpilgrims8]

There's no doubt that Bauer's stuff is filthy, but his unwillingness to change his unorthadox routines (Using javelins to warm up, throwing balls to the backstop when warming up, etc.) is a little bit of a red flag. He straight up told MLB teams that he will not change his routine. If he wont change something as simple as a warmup or workout routine, what are the chances he's going to let MLB teams change something that will have a bigger effect in his develpment? Sure, the way he is pitching now is fine, but what happens when he hits a brick wall in the minors/majors and he won't change the thing that's the problem?

A red flag? That he won't change his successful routine? That's a ridiculous statement.

It's the theory of...."if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Sure, they might have him tone down a couple things, but I can't see them telling him he can't prepare. A bunch of teams have a rule that pitchers can't long toss past 120 feet, but that is about 1/3 of the teams in MLB. Plus, it's not a set-in-stone rule.

You obviously didnt read my post. My point was if he wouldnt change something as simple as a warmup, whats to say he wouldnt change something in his pitching mechanics?

I don't believe he ever said he wouldn't change something mechanically, if needed. He stated clearly he wouldn't stray from his routine to prepare and strengthen his body. Those are completely different things.

Plus, if you've watched him through the years, he has made changes to his mechanics.

It would be hard to believe any team drafting him that high and then telling him to change what he does and how he operates. It's clearly effective and now comes the time to make minor adjustments against professional hitters.

I find it completely amazing how the Bauer era mirrors the Lincecum era out of college.

 

[shayscards79]

I understand the reasoning behind Cole having better potential than Bauer.

But as far as Cole being number one draft pick potential, watching him get his ass handed to him the last two starts (5 and 6 runs) makes me question if he belongs ahead of Bauer in the 10 to 15 pick range.

 

[bear0555]

I understand the reasoning behind Cole having better potential than Bauer.

But as far as Cole being number one draft pick potential, watching him get his ass handed to him the last two starts (5 and 6 runs) makes me question if he belongs ahead of Bauer in the 10 to 15 pick range.

I watched Cole's start against Arizona and think he was a lot more consistent that night than usual, in particular the slider. But when Bauer dominates, I honestly have no clue how he does it.