Tulowitzki Gold Ref. sells for $306

[Adamsince1981]

The Tulo Exquisite sold for $1,249

 

[ccouch (Chad)]

http://www.baseballreference.com[/url]. But if one just looks at Vizquel's season-by-season numbers from a range-factor and assist standpoint, he was very rarely ever the best in the LEAGUE in any particular year. And that has to count for something, right?

I hear you, no offense taken, and maybe Tulowitzki is better or will have a better career. There have been some spectacular shortstops in the last couple decades, some with great careers. Either way, I think better "by miles" is a reach!

Tulo and omar shouldn't even be in the same sentence until tulo has 10 good years in.[/quote:138lslhf]

You pretty much missed the entire point of my post, which was to argue that Tulowitzki was better defensively at at THIS POINT IN TIME than Vizquel was in his prime. I was NOT comparing their bodies of work, which would indeed be senseless.

 

[All The Hype]

To touch on the availability of "rare" cards subject...

I think that as time goes by, more and more cards from a particular set, especially of popular players, will find permanent homes in collectors' hands. While some people buy to flip, others do not, which means that when these people get hold of a card, there is a 99% chance it will not end up on eBay again.



I recently picked up a Justin Verlander 2005 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Auto #/50. There have been a handful of these on eBay with impossibly high BIN prices here and there, but rarely do they get listed auction style. So while they are out there, I'm not sure who in their right mind would pay $800+ for this card right now when the going rate is realistically in the $300-$500 range.

Point of that is to say that even though they're technically "available", there are realistically only maybe one or two, maybe three chances per year to win one of these in auction (and therefore, at market price). This is a card that is five years old and of a guy who has been one of the more dominant pitchers in baseball the last few years.

I think that as years pass, these will become harder and harder to find which will leave collectors scrambling to make sure they are the one who makes the winning bid, which hypothetically should lead to higher prices. Economics 101: Same demand, lower supply equates to a higher price.

Where a card like that will cap? Who knows. It certainly helps if the player continues to perform at a high level on the field.

I think most people would be happy with any nice refractor of a player they want....sure a red or super would be nice, but with so many out there, i really think there will always be a rare one or two available when a player is hot and in the news.

When you think many players have a red, blue, orange, gold, regular and then non-refractors as well...it's really no big deal...they are one in 500 and there will always be some available. Even as hot and desirable as pujols is, you seem to always be able to find several a year....

I see your point and agree with you, but I found this to be an especially good point from earlier in this thread:

The gold ref's are the "gold standard" and 50 is just not too many. For a random card with nothing to differentiate it's no big deal since a player can have 1000 cards /50, but the gold ref. is a specific one.

There's something about gold that just works. These are great looking cards, common enough that they aren't impossible to obtain, but rare enough to demand a (sometimes very sizable) premium.

A Gold Ref First Year card will outsell pretty much all other #/50 cards that player ever has, especially if it's an autograph. Why? Because it's a specific #/50 card. And for a lot of players, it is the nicest "reasonably obtainable" rookie card a player has. I believe orange refs #/25 and red refs #/5 were not included until 2006, which means for guys like Verlander and Tulowitzki, the Gold is basically as good as it gets for the majority of collectors because of the price/scarcity of 1/1s.

 

[matchpenalty]

Tulo super sells for a hair over 2k. But didn't meet reserve. Not a bad price.

 

[Adamsince1981]

Tulo super sells for a hair over 2k. But didn't meet reserve. Not a bad price.

I'm shocked. The Super missed reserve at $2,545 in the winter between the '07 and '08 season...

My reserve was $2,899....

The high bidder has already contacted me. We'll see.

 

[hofautos]

why does the card at the top of previous page sell for $1200 and this sells for $150?

 

[Superfractor]

why does the card at the top of previous page sell for $1200 and this sells for $150?

Did that sell recently?


Well, it's TTT - Exquisite is greater than TTT; sicker patches (and more); there are probably four variations of the plate, plus the "actual" 1/1.

 

[hofautos]

why does the card at the top of previous page sell for $1200 and this sells for $150?

Did that sell recently?


Well, it's TTT - Exquisite is greater than TTT; sicker patches (and more); there are probably four variations of the plate, plus the "actual" 1/1.

agreed, but that's quite a spread for 1/1s...yes, just sold.
IMHO, the gold refractor 2005 should have sold for more than the 2007 exquisite 1/1...i wouldn't even consider the 2007 a rookie..oh well.

 

[Superfractor]

why does the card at the top of previous page sell for $1200 and this sells for $150?

Did that sell recently?


Well, it's TTT - Exquisite is greater than TTT; sicker patches (and more); there are probably four variations of the plate, plus the "actual" 1/1.

agreed, but that's quite a spread for 1/1s...yes, just sold.

Yep, very true. Even when he was not so hot (early '09) a version of that card sold for 105, BO. I think your card had a very generous price.

 

[hofautos]

why does the card at the top of previous page sell for $1200 and this sells for $150?

Did that sell recently?


Well, it's TTT - Exquisite is greater than TTT; sicker patches (and more); there are probably four variations of the plate, plus the "actual" 1/1.

agreed, but that's quite a spread for 1/1s...yes, just sold.

Yep, very true. Even when he was not so hot (early '09) a version of that card sold for 105. BO. I think your card had a very generous price.

niether mine, but i was going to kill myself for one i sold a year ago or so....i don't remember what it sold for but i think it was about $60
Aestetically, i like the one i sold MUCH better than the 1/1 plates...

 

[hofautos]

I was bummed this only sold for $80. I sold it while he was hot too....i figured i would get $200 for the "T".
I think i paid about $70 for it, but wouldn't have sold it if i thought it would only get $80...oh well it happens.

 

[Dpanthers14]

still trying to sell this

 

[mrwhitesox30]

I guess his game-used cards don't get quite the jump that the rookies sell for. A couple of his 2008 UD A Piece of History buttons /5 just sold for $37 and $31. That seems pretty low for a popular modern player on a hot streak. It's not like he has a ton of button cards. If I collected modern guys I would have bid more than that for sure.

I was bummed this only sold for $80. I sold it while he was hot too....i figured i would get $200 for the "T".
I think i paid about $70 for it, but wouldn't have sold it if i thought it would only get $80...oh well it happens.

 

[cubuffs13]

I guess his game-used cards don't get quite the jump that the rookies sell for. A couple of his 2008 UD A Piece of History buttons /5 just sold for $37 and $31. That seems pretty low for a popular modern player on a hot streak. It's not like he has a ton of button cards. If I collected modern guys I would have bid more than that for sure.

I would have definitely bid more than that as well if i had money.

 

[Superfractor]

Funny because I paid 40, and 37 for my buttons; this was back in late '08 (calendar year-wise)

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I'd say average joes, non-player and non-set collectors may be driving the price for his first year and rookie cards making their prices volatile. But more hard-core player and set collectors set the bar for these other cards, this just makes their prices more stable.

I guess his game-used cards don't get quite the jump that the rookies sell for. A couple of his 2008 UD A Piece of History buttons /5 just sold for $37 and $31. That seems pretty low for a popular modern player on a hot streak. It's not like he has a ton of button cards. If I collected modern guys I would have bid more than that for sure.

I would have definitely bid more than that as well if i had money.

 

[Adamsince1981]

I believe that "everything" collectors played a role in the '07 Exquisite 1/1 going for $1,250. Exquisite is so big in Basketball and Football that I could see a certain segment willing to throw big mucks at "MLB RC" 1/1 since it was so attractive and since RC's from basketball and football sell for so much. Really, none of Tulo's '07 cards should have the MLB RC Logo on them since he had a true RC before the new rules went into effect. Someone paid $1,249 for a quad patch auto card that was release a year after the player made his ML debut and 2 years since his actual RC's were released....

I paid $100 for the TTT 1/1 so I was happy with the $152. A 1/1 out of TTT means nothing and printing plates get less. The funny thing though is there were more 1/1's in Exquisite...in fact search Tulowitzki Exquistie 1/1 right now and there should be at least 2 up.