UFC Rio

[Super Mario]

Do you even pay attention to Forrest?

If you want to be a dick, I can go that route guy. Not really a problem with me.

Let's start here. Where were the leg kicks he used so effectively against Page, since you want to analyze the slugfest aspect.

If you're going to tailor your arguement via fight tactic, please do incorporate the entire picture rather than customizing it to your personal homerisms. Thanks.

In the short time the fight took place, Forrest threw several head kicks if I recall. Let me go watch it again and I'll count. I know of at least two off the top of my head.

 

[Super Mario]

I counted 7 kicks from Forrest.

 

[Viking4Alpha]

[quote="Sam Banks":3okdocib]

[quote="Sam Banks":3okdocib]How was it the worst?

Griffin wasn't there to fight.

He was there to collect a paycheck.

I don't believe that for a second.

LOL of course you don't. All you see is that your favoritist fighter evar wun!!

:lol:[/quote:3okdocib]

I didn't make one excuse after he got his ass handed to him by Johnny Bones though. He got his ass beat. Forrest is a favorite of mine as well, but this go around, Shogun was Shogun and dropped him.[/quote:3okdocib]

Whoa, my point isn't to thrash Rua. Shogun is an excellent fighter. My point is that we are fools to think that Griffin can fight on Shogun's level or anyone else's level in the current LHW division. The hell with skill, experience and conditioning on Forrest's part. His heart is not there whatsoever. That's my point, hence the "just there to collect a paycheck" comment.

The Shogun Griffin fight pisses me off because it was a waste. It was all about handing the Brazilian a gate keeper fighter to play to the home crowd. Nothing more, nothing less. Otherwise, it was a great card.

And Sam- Don't misunderstand me man, I'm not looking to take away credit where it is due. Shogun looked outstanding. I look forward to his next fight.

It's Griffin. He needs to go.

 

[Viking4Alpha]

Do you even pay attention to Forrest?

If you want to be a dick, I can go that route guy. Not really a problem with me.

Let's start here. Where were the leg kicks he used so effectively against Page, since you want to analyze the slugfest aspect.

If you're going to tailor your arguement via fight tactic, please do incorporate the entire picture rather than customizing it to your personal homerisms. Thanks.

In the short time the fight took place, Forrest threw several head kicks if I recall. Let me go watch it again and I'll count. I know of at least two off the top of my head.

Since when do you launch head kicks to keep distance? That's a new strategy I guess I need to look into...



I'm talking leg kicks to soften the striking precision and impact. Anyone who trains or has watched more than one UFC should know this.

 

[Etanju]

Lets not forget that Forrest found out right before he went out to fight that his wife was going into labor with his kid. Dana flew Forrest back to Vegas on his own plane to try and get him there before the kid made his debut. I am pretty sure that would jack my head up too.

 

[Super Mario]

Lets not forget that Forrest found out right before he went out to fight that his wife was going into labor with his kid. Dana flew Forrest back to Vegas on his own plane to try and get him there before the kid made his debut. I am pretty sure that would jack my head up too.

He can't use that as an excuse for a bad performance.

I keep hearing all of this '9 days' ****, but the flat out truth is, Forrest knew all of this beforehand. He knew it was a possibility heading into the fight, so it cannot be used as an excuse by anyone after the fact.

 

[JzWand]

Do you even pay attention to Forrest?

If you want to be a dick, I can go that route guy. Not really a problem with me.

Let's start here. Where were the leg kicks he used so effectively against Page, since you want to analyze the slugfest aspect.

If you're going to tailor your arguement via fight tactic, please do incorporate the entire picture rather than customizing it to your personal homerisms. Thanks.

Wasnt trying to be a dick but was genuinely curious as to how many Forrest fights you have seen.

So regarding the leg kicks, lets first off start by saying the fight lasted 1 minute and 50 seconds give or take.
In that time I counted Forrest throwing 7 leg kicks with one of them being to the head and another 2 kicks he wanted to throw but held back because Rua had moved out of range.
So on average he threw 1 leg kick about every 15-20 seconds or so.
I would certainly say he was incorporating kicks into his game.

The reason he was able to land so many kicks on Rampage and not on Shogun is fairly simple.
Rampage is not a striker.
Hes a boxer.
The guy couldnt check a leg kick if his life depended on it and Rampage doesnt throw kicks of his own.
So the game plan vs Rampage is actually quite simple if you can avoid
a) getting ko'd
and
b) getting taken down and pounded on.

You get in, throw a kick to his lead leg, and get out before he can let his hands go.

Now Forrest did get caught by Rampage at one point but recovered and continued to stick to the game plan afterwards and eventually rendered Rampages lead leg useless meaning he can no longer base for his punches.
At this point you are throwing arm punches which are more telegraphed and its also easier to counter off of since arm punches tend to be looping

Now what do Rashad, Shogun, and Anderson Silva all have in common?

They are all better overall strikers than Forrest and they all rely heavily on footwork!
Plus Rashad has a great wrestling background to fall back on if he wants to (ala the Rampage fight).

Add into the fact that Shogun has a beautiful tactic of stepping into someones kicks (which is a technique) to blitz them with attacks (Wanderlei used the exact same method in Pride) and it just does not lend itself well to Forrest's style which would be to throw shots back at him thus engaging in said brawl. Theirs a saying in Muay Thai; its better to give then to receive

Basically the style Forrest used vs Rampage would NEVER work on those 3 guys nor would it work on a guy like Machida.

I think Forrests plan was to wear down Rua like last time.
Most people would admit that Shogun is a far more complete standup fighter than Forrest so I think Forrest thought he would throw some kicks and gkeep Shogun guessing a bit.
The problem was this time Rua wasnt walking into the cage with 2 bum knees (not an excuse) and Rua was countering Forrest quite well this time.

Now the less educated reason Forrest lost; maybe hes just not as good as Shogun!

 

[Viking4Alpha]

Do you even pay attention to Forrest?

If you want to be a dick, I can go that route guy. Not really a problem with me.

Let's start here. Where were the leg kicks he used so effectively against Page, since you want to analyze the slugfest aspect.

If you're going to tailor your arguement via fight tactic, please do incorporate the entire picture rather than customizing it to your personal homerisms. Thanks.

Wasnt trying to be a dick but was genuinely curious as to how many Forrest fights you have seen.

So regarding the leg kicks, lets first off start by saying the fight lasted 1 minute and 50 seconds give or take.
In that time I counted Forrest throwing 7 leg kicks with one of them being to the head and another 2 kicks he wanted to throw but held back because Rua had moved out of range.
So on average he threw 1 leg kick about every 15-20 seconds or so.
I would certainly say he was incorporating kicks into his game.

The reason he was able to land so many kicks on Rampage and not on Shogun is fairly simple.
Rampage is not a striker.
Hes a boxer.
The guy couldnt check a leg kick if his life depended on it and Rampage doesnt throw kicks of his own.
So the game plan vs Rampage is actually quite simple if you can avoid
a) getting ko'd
and
b) getting taken down and pounded on.

You get in, throw a kick to his lead leg, and get out before he can let his hands go.

Now Forrest did get caught by Rampage at one point but recovered and continued to stick to the game plan afterwards and eventually rendered Rampages lead leg useless meaning he can no longer base for his punches.
At this point you are throwing arm punches which are more telegraphed and its also easier to counter off of since arm punches tend to be looping

Now what do Rashad, Shogun, and Anderson Silva all have in common?

They are all better overall strikers than Forrest and they all rely heavily on footwork!
Plus Rashad has a great wrestling background to fall back on if he wants to (ala the Rampage fight).

Add into the fact that Shogun has a beautiful tactic of stepping into someones kicks (which is a technique) to blitz them with attacks (Wanderlei used the exact same method in Pride) and it just does not lend itself well to Forrest's style which would be to throw shots back at him thus engaging in said brawl. Theirs a saying in Muay Thai; its better to give then to receive

Basically the style Forrest used vs Rampage would NEVER work on those 3 guys nor would it work on a guy like Machida.

I think Forrests plan was to wear down Rua like last time.
Most people would admit that Shogun is a far more complete standup fighter than Forrest so I think Forrest thought he would throw some kicks and gkeep Shogun guessing a bit.
The problem was this time Rua wasnt walking into the cage with 2 bum knees (not an excuse) and Rua was countering Forrest quite well this time.

Now the less educated reason Forrest lost; maybe hes just not as good as Shogun!

Sorry man, you can throw out all your feeble attempts by either subliminally calling me "less educated" (My Purdue degree humbly disagrees) and/or go the "have you ever seen Griffin fight?!" route. But honestly, you should save all that for someone else. I know better and it just took you the better part of a page to repeat what's already been said.

The simple fact remains throughout. Griffin isn't UFC LHW material. Funny guy? Yes. Entertaining? Sure.

A page long thesis designed to make me dizzy isn't going to change the blatantly obvious. I hate to be the one to tell you, but I'm not in the minority.

So what now? Another strange reference to a gym you trained at? You already used the "better to give than receive" line. At least you made me laugh...

Uncomfortably.. :?

Oh but to answer your question guy, I've seen all of Griffin's UFC fights since his TUF debut.

 

[JzWand]

Sorry man, you can throw out all your feeble attempts by either subliminally calling me "less educated" (My Purdue degree humbly disagrees) and/or go the "have you ever seen Griffin fight?!" route. But honestly, you should save all that for someone else. I know better and it just took you the better part of a page to repeat what's already been said.

The simple fact remains throughout. Griffin isn't UFC LHW material. Funny guy? Yes. Entertaining? Sure.

A page long thesis designed to make me dizzy isn't going to change the blatantly obvious. I hate to be the one to tell you, but I'm not in the minority.

So what now? Another strange reference to a gym you trained at? You already used the "better to give than receive" line. At least you made me laugh...

Uncomfortably.. :?

Oh but to answer your question guy, I've seen all of Griffin's UFC fights since his TUF debut.

Youre right.
I know absolutely nothing about fighting and can add absolutely no meaningful response to this stupid claim that Forrest is not UFC LHW material.

MMAweekly, Bloodyelbow, and Sherdog all have Forrest ranked the 6th best LHW in the world and I have never read ANYONE say Griffin is not UFC material but congratulations on making the dumbest statement I have read online all day.

Anyways it's obvious I shouldnt try to explain a gameplan to you because youre just far too clever for me and anyone on this forum!

I mean you believe Forrest bagged it in so it must be so.

Thanks for the insightful contribution!

 

[Viking4Alpha]

Sorry man, you can throw out all your feeble attempts by either subliminally calling me "less educated" (My Purdue degree humbly disagrees) and/or go the "have you ever seen Griffin fight?!" route. But honestly, you should save all that for someone else. I know better and it just took you the better part of a page to repeat what's already been said.

The simple fact remains throughout. Griffin isn't UFC LHW material. Funny guy? Yes. Entertaining? Sure.

A page long thesis designed to make me dizzy isn't going to change the blatantly obvious. I hate to be the one to tell you, but I'm not in the minority.

So what now? Another strange reference to a gym you trained at? You already used the "better to give than receive" line. At least you made me laugh...

Uncomfortably.. :?

Oh but to answer your question guy, I've seen all of Griffin's UFC fights since his TUF debut.

Youre right.
I know absolutely nothing about fighting and can add absolutely no meaningful response to this stupid claim that Forrest is not UFC LHW material.

MMAweekly, Bloodyelbow, and Sherdog all have Forrest ranked the 6th best LHW in the world and I have never read ANYONE say Griffin is not UFC material but congratulations on making the dumbest statement I have read online all day.

Anyways it's obvious I shouldnt try to explain a gameplan to you because youre just far too clever for me and anyone on this forum!

I mean you believe Forrest bagged it in so it must be so.

Thanks for the insightful contribution!

Says the pot to the kettle.

There's a reason I rarely post here and you are it. You're the resident latrine lawyer. You think you know it all when it's painfully obvious you don't.

Apparently I should be spending more time here, as someone obviously needs to keep you in check.

And yes, Griffin isn't UFC material anymore. Not sure how many more times I need to repeat myself for you. Maybe put it in my sig so I don't have to for you?

 

[JzWand]

Says the pot to the kettle.

There's a reason I rarely post here and you are it. You're the resident latrine lawyer. You think you know it all when it's painfully obvious you don't.
I KNOW I have more MMA knowledge than you do but I will not argue about that since it would be impossible for me to prove and simply put who really gives a $hit at the end of the day

Apparently I should be spending more time here, as someone obviously needs to keep you in check.
Wow, you're going to keep me in check on the internet. Wish I was as tough as you are.

And yes, Griffin isn't UFC material anymore. Not sure how many more times I need to repeat myself for you. Maybe put it in my sig so I don't have to for you?

When you are the only person who believes something as stupid as the #6 LHW in the WORLD not being UFC material, that doesnt make you unique, insightful or clever but I am sure you will be a valued addition to these parts so welcome.

 

[Viking4Alpha]

Says the pot to the kettle.

There's a reason I rarely post here and you are it. You're the resident latrine lawyer. You think you know it all when it's painfully obvious you don't.
I KNOW I have more MMA knowledge than you do but I will not argue about that since it would be impossible for me to prove and simply put who really gives a $hit at the end of the day

Apparently I should be spending more time here, as someone obviously needs to keep you in check.
Wow, you're going to keep me in check on the internet. Wish I was as tough as you are.

And yes, Griffin isn't UFC material anymore. Not sure how many more times I need to repeat myself for you. Maybe put it in my sig so I don't have to for you?

When you are the only person who believes something as stupid as the #6 LHW in the WORLD not being UFC material, that doesnt make you unique, insightful or clever but I am sure you will be a valued addition to these parts so welcome.

Actually, you "know" precisely dick and it's painfully obvious. You just make this way too easy.

Here's something someone apparently never told you. Every single one of the pound for pound top 10's, best of division lists etc, are a compilation of opinions.

No better opinion than mine or even a butthurt nerd like yourself. YOU decided to throw a tantrum based upon my opinion. An opinion that certainly isn't goingto change no matter what keyboard vomit you spew. My apologies.

Impressive you know who I am and what I know though, my resume blahblahblah. Do a trick for me clown. If you're going to rabble and repeat yourself at least entertain me.

I'm an internet tough guy now? Haha sure thing nerd. You're a fly on the wall. No matter how loudly you repeat yourself, it will never drown out the obvious.

What else you got for me clown?

 

[Viking4Alpha]

I think its about time for Forrest to hang it up.

 

[Super Mario]

I don't even know what's being argued here, haha.

 

[Ty Hope]

Agreed, stuff like that needs to be kept to PMs when possible.

We have a small group here and disagree often, but lets keep it civil.

 

[JzWand]

Agreed, stuff like that needs to be kept to PMs when possible.

We have a small group here and disagree often, but lets keep it civil.

You're right Ty!

 

[Etanju]

Well my dad can beat up your dad.

 

[usheer]

He is way better then anybody at 185! He needs to go to lhw and test himself with some serious fighters.

 

[Slette]

Holy thread resurrection!

 

[MrMet]

Holy thread resurrection!

I'm glad it was resurrected, that was a great read that happened before my time here. How enjoyable