Ugh Accidentally bought a redeemed redemption card.

[ChasHawk]

I think it's more common than you're giving it credit for. As several members in this thread have said, people do collect those things.

When the redeemed card is not available.

 

[Sjrmn91]

Just throwing another thought out there, should one be able to return a card made by, let's say, Topps, but the seller keywords spammed the title with "Topps, upper deck, leaf"? Because when the buyer receives the card, it is only one card made by Topps, not a card made by all three or three cards made by each one?

 

[DRav87]

The system is set up to be able to return things...why is that being a baby?

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that those bashing the OP have never returned anything, anywhere, ever...correct?

This could be the best post in this thread.

If returns are allowed, what is the big deal with him returning it?

 

[bballcardkid]

This is lunacy. I'm assuming all those siding with the seller have no objection to what this hagbag tried to pull? Same game right? But it says clearly that the box is empty! Intent is the deciding factor in this case, nothing else, and it's obvious that the intent was malicious.

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[All The Hype]

The reason the seller should have included a picture of the back of the card is because that's a vital detail in this auction. If you know anything about baseball card market, you know that if there's something wrong/unusual about what you're selling, it is vital to put this information in the listing title/picture/description in such a way that it is undoubtedly clear what exactly is for sale. Otherwise you leave yourself vulnerable to not as described claims. Every time. The word redeemed was in the title. It was not in the description, and the description in no way made it clear that it was a redeemed card. It was also not in the scan, and from the scan, it looks just like the unredeemed card (the card NORMALLY sold on eBay). It's certainly the buyer's fault for not asking for clarification if he was unsure what the auction was for, but the seller should have been more clear since

The fact that it is somewhat uncommon to sell a redeemed card on eBay is actually pretty important here IMO, because it makes his item require special attention to the detail that it is redeemed, unlike most listings for these cards. This is similar to selling a damaged card. Since most cards are presumed to be in reasonably good condition, any damage needs to be described in extra detail in the description to make it clear for the buyer.

For example, you have a card with a dinged corner. Perhaps the scan of your auction shows the ding, but you do not mention it in title or description. Don't you think the buyer is going to be upset when he gets the card and sees the ding? There's a chance he saw it in the scan, but there are three different ways to advertise your product (scan/title/description), so why not make it clear in all three as to avoid duping the buyer?


And just a general comment: The way I see it, an eBay auction done properly will give the buyer a similar understanding of the item for sale as picking it up at the store and physically touching/inspecting the item while deciding whether or not to purchase it. Not doing this will leave the seller vulnerable to having to return the buyer's money.

I think it's more common than you're giving it credit for. As several members in this thread have said, people do collect those things.

As far as the scenario with the dinged card being evident in the scan and not mentioned in the description, I don't agree with this either. The onus is not on the seller to write an essay about the condition of the card. I don't think that that is the expectation of most buyers either. I have 100% feedback and 4.9's and 5's across the board on eBay and my descriptions say only this: "You get the exact item pictured." Nothing more, nothing less. If someone has a question about something they see in the scan, I respond. Otherwise, I leave it up to the buyer to determine if what they see is what they want. I've found that adding a wordy description about "great condition" or "hairline scratches" etc only creates confusion.

I should have clarified in regard to used redemptions being sold, as I am talking about current redemptions that have virtually no collectibility in present day like the one being discussed in this thread. I agree with you if it were an expired redemption, but when the redemption card is from a year ago or less and has not yet expired, I think most people would assume (if it weren't specified) that it was an unused redemption.

As for the condition of the card, I'm not talking your everyday muffed back corner or a minor roller scratch that would make the subgrade go from a 9.5 to a 9. I'm talking about a card that has clear, noteworthy damage to it. For example a bad surface scratch or a corner that is dinged to the point that the card is no longer in what I consider to be standard eBay condition for a modern card. Scans might show this, they might not. If it were me and all I said was "You get the exact item pictured'' then I would make sure the damage is easily visible in the scan. The buyer is responsible for clearing up any questions before bidding, but the buyer should not be surprised by the condition of the card due to the seller listing an item with a lack of important information.

My feedback is all 4.9s and 5s as well, and I list with detailed information about notable damage. I haven't yet had any problems with buyers not understanding if there was a flaw with a card. Of course, this is not necessary for most cards I sell, and I just say card is in "near-mint condition or better," which gets the job done.

 

[mancini79]

Wow. Didn't think this would cause this. Once I return the card, I'm getting $20 back from the seller. I'm fine with that. I'll never know how the Paypal claim would have turned out since I canceled it.

Now stop fighting and get back to busting packs!

This is an extremely fair deal for both parties. Well done.