wade miley... RAZOR EXCLUSIVE

[MallCopKJ]

I'm trying to figure out why you even responded here, its obvious that you either like to argue and/or are completely brainwashed by Topps .

I don't think I'm arguing at all throughout these 8 pages. There's discussion as to whether or not Razor is "good for the hobby", but no argument.

There are almost no legitimate reasons for Razor not to include such a clause here...Razor would completely collapse if any single contract without the clause was made open to the public as it would completely go against their public marketing strategy...

Huh? What do liquidated damages have to be with publicity of the contract? I don't see much of a problem if these contracts were public domain, other than negotiating prices with future draft picks. THe only specific thing in the contract would be the amount paid to the player.

[quote:1nlywxtr]

and it would make less sense to include a clause prohibiting the public exposure of their contracts if they weren't going to have a liquidation clause.

[/quote:1nlywxtr] Again, I don't see the connection between public exposure and liquidated damages. I am assuming you know, but liquidated damages are a set amount of damages that the parties agree upon that breach would cost Razor... so if Miley Cyrus here breached the contract, and the contract called for $100k in liquidated damages, Miley's responsible -- arguably. I fail to see the connection asserted above.
[/quote]

She's puurdy.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Sorry, I thought I was clear.. I don't see Razor NOT including an LDC as not having one would make their entire effort less sincere as their entire PUBLIC marketing strategy revolves around player exlusivity... You yourself wanted to know, in this, a public forum, to test Razor's resolve when you asked:

"Do you have a liquidated damages clause in the contract? Without that, you're going to waste a lot of time and money about 26 baseball cards. Suing Donruss is ridiculous, unless you can prove that they knowingly and willingly intended to print those 26 cards and insert them in their product. As I said in the other thread, the fact that they apparently removed the autograph cards would do a lot of good in a jury's eyes in showing they attempted to mitigate the player's damages."

I'm trying to figure out why you even responded here, its obvious that you either like to argue and/or are completely brainwashed by Topps .

I don't think I'm arguing at all throughout these 8 pages. There's discussion as to whether or not Razor is "good for the hobby", but no argument.

There are almost no legitimate reasons for Razor not to include such a clause here...Razor would completely collapse if any single contract without the clause was made open to the public as it would completely go against their public marketing strategy...

Huh? What do liquidated damages have to be with publicity of the contract? I don't see much of a problem if these contracts were public domain, other than negotiating prices with future draft picks. THe only specific thing in the contract would be the amount paid to the player.

[quote:1pn68rht]

and it would make less sense to include a clause prohibiting the public exposure of their contracts if they weren't going to have a liquidation clause.

Again, I don't see the connection between public exposure and liquidated damages. I am assuming you know, but liquidated damages are a set amount of damages that the parties agree upon that breach would cost Razor... so if Miley Cyrus here breached the contract, and the contract called for $100k in liquidated damages, Miley's responsible -- arguably. I fail to see the connection asserted above.

Now if you were saying below that there are good reasons not to include a liquidated damages clause in any contract in general (and not just Razor contracts), that's another thing, you were a little hazy on that there...

They're good in some contracts, not good in other contracts. As was stated above, baseball players may not want to sign contracts that make them liable for damages, especially foreign players. Further, if Miely doesn't do anything in baseball, it'll be like trying to get blood from a cactus.

He already said they have iron-clad solid contracts and I'm sure Razor already has lawyers on the case. Given the environment its obvious that any competent attorney would have included a liquidated damages clause. There are a number of reasons to sue somebody and I'm sure Razor has all the bases covered...

[quote="Jeff N.":1pn68rht]Do you have a liquidated damages clause in the contract? Without that, you're going to waste a lot of time and money about 26 baseball cards. Suing Donruss is ridiculous, unless you can prove that they knowingly and willingly intended to print those 26 cards and insert them in their product. As I said in the other thread, the fact that they apparently removed the autograph cards would do a lot of good in a jury's eyes in showing they attempted to mitigate the player's damages.

This is a discussion board. People ask questions and they get answered. If you want to assume that there's a liquidated damages clause -- and there is plenty of reason not to include one, continue to be one of the sheeple in this country and eat the slop that's poured in front of you. Or, as another esteemed user-a-rino likes to say, slurp slurp.[/quote:1pn68rht][/quote:1pn68rht][/quote]

 

[ccolwell]

I wonder if anyone outside of this board really gives two craps about Razor. Yeah their product sells, but is it just the downright homerism of this board, that makes it out to be bigger and better than it is.

I thanked you for this post.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Sorry, I thought I was clear.. I don't see Razor NOT including an LDC as not having one would make their entire effort less sincere as their entire PUBLIC marketing strategy revolves around player exlusivity... You yourself wanted to know, in this, a public forum, to test Razor's resolve when you asked:

"Do you have a liquidated damages clause in the contract? Without that, you're going to waste a lot of time and money about 26 baseball cards. Suing Donruss is ridiculous, unless you can prove that they knowingly and willingly intended to print those 26 cards and insert them in their product. As I said in the other thread, the fact that they apparently removed the autograph cards would do a lot of good in a jury's eyes in showing they attempted to mitigate the player's damages."

I wasn't trying to test RAzor's resolve; I was trying to anticipate what likelihood litigation would have. As indicated above, Razor has a liquidated damages clause. However, I still don't see the connection between said clause and producing the contract.

I'm trying to figure out why you even responded here, its obvious that you either like to argue and/or are completely brainwashed by Topps .

I don't think I'm arguing at all throughout these 8 pages. There's discussion as to whether or not Razor is "good for the hobby", but no argument. [quote:2i55mnld]
There are almost no legitimate reasons for Razor not to include such a clause here...Razor would completely collapse if any single contract without the clause was made open to the public as it would completely go against their public marketing strategy...

Huh? What do liquidated damages have to be with publicity of the contract? I don't see much of a problem if these contracts were public domain, other than negotiating prices with future draft picks. THe only specific thing in the contract would be the amount paid to the player.

[quote:2i55mnld]

and it would make less sense to include a clause prohibiting the public exposure of their contracts if they weren't going to have a liquidation clause.

Again, I don't see the connection between public exposure and liquidated damages. I am assuming you know, but liquidated damages are a set amount of damages that the parties agree upon that breach would cost Razor... so if Miley Cyrus here breached the contract, and the contract called for $100k in liquidated damages, Miley's responsible -- arguably. I fail to see the connection asserted above.

Now if you were saying below that there are good reasons not to include a liquidated damages clause in any contract in general (and not just Razor contracts), that's another thing, you were a little hazy on that there...

They're good in some contracts, not good in other contracts. As was stated above, baseball players may not want to sign contracts that make them liable for damages, especially foreign players. Further, if Miely doesn't do anything in baseball, it'll be like trying to get blood from a cactus.

He already said they have iron-clad solid contracts and I'm sure Razor already has lawyers on the case. Given the environment its obvious that any competent attorney would have included a liquidated damages clause. There are a number of reasons to sue somebody and I'm sure Razor has all the bases covered...

[quote="Jeff N.":2i55mnld]Do you have a liquidated damages clause in the contract? Without that, you're going to waste a lot of time and money about 26 baseball cards. Suing Donruss is ridiculous, unless you can prove that they knowingly and willingly intended to print those 26 cards and insert them in their product. As I said in the other thread, the fact that they apparently removed the autograph cards would do a lot of good in a jury's eyes in showing they attempted to mitigate the player's damages.

This is a discussion board. People ask questions and they get answered. If you want to assume that there's a liquidated damages clause -- and there is plenty of reason not to include one, continue to be one of the sheeple in this country and eat the slop that's poured in front of you. Or, as another esteemed user-a-rino likes to say, slurp slurp.[/quote:2i55mnld][/quote:2i55mnld][/quote:2i55mnld][/quote]

 

[jcmint]

Clearly Jim. Well said

[quote="Jeff N.":i6sc5nrf]

Regarding whether or not Razor made BDP 08 better? Possibly. I am not sure we can say absolutely. Did BDP change its checklist 100% based on Razor appearance? Do we know that or are we assuming that? If Topps/Bowman can admit that they did change it due to Razor, then it becomes an absolutely.

I do have some knowledge on this from Topps point of view, and honestly I think that Bowman Chrome's failure changed BCDP more than Razor. I do think Razor made them rethink some, but think more of it was the horrid reception of Chrome.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't know how to take that response......

It's nice to see a mod agree with me and disagree with Chris. That's all.

You actually think a Topps rep is going to let on that they changed anything because of Razor? Of course they aren't. To acknowledge Razor would only validate them and they aren't going to do that. So, with all this in mind, I think we could all agree that Topps made changes to BDP for multiple reasons: 08 BC sucking, the existence of Razor, the economy, Donruss, etc. But clearly Razor is one of the reasons.[/quote:i6sc5nrf]

 

[F-Topps]

Great thread! Get it while you can! SOB!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=006

 

[masonphillip]

[quote="Jeff N.":x7qyb75x]

Regarding whether or not Razor made BDP 08 better? Possibly. I am not sure we can say absolutely. Did BDP change its checklist 100% based on Razor appearance? Do we know that or are we assuming that? If Topps/Bowman can admit that they did change it due to Razor, then it becomes an absolutely.

I do have some knowledge on this from Topps point of view, and honestly I think that Bowman Chrome's failure changed BCDP more than Razor. I do think Razor made them rethink some, but think more of it was the horrid reception of Chrome.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't know how to take that response......

It's nice to see a mod agree with me and disagree with Chris. That's all.

You actually think a Topps rep is going to let on that they changed anything because of Razor? Of course they aren't. To acknowledge Razor would only validate them and they aren't going to do that. So, with all this in mind, I think we could all agree that Topps made changes to BDP for multiple reasons: 08 BC sucking, the existence of Razor, the economy, Donruss, etc. But clearly Razor is one of the reasons.[/quote:x7qyb75x]

I believe it was likely a combo of the two, the horrible reception to Chrome and Razor's exclusives.

Meanwhile Jeff is enjoying a moral victory over the mod staff.

 

[masonphillip]

I wonder if anyone outside of this board really gives two craps about Razor. Yeah their product sells, but is it just the downright homerism of this board, that makes it out to be bigger and better than it is.

I thanked you for this post.

I think the answer is yes, not to the level of Chrome and Elite even but the stuff sells on ebay and in fact, some of the exclusives have moved up in recent weeks. I've sold a lot of stuff and much of it has been to people that were not board members.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":1j4g0lk1]

[quote="kentuckyderby":1j4g0lk1]

Regarding whether or not Razor made BDP 08 better? Possibly. I am not sure we can say absolutely. Did BDP change its checklist 100% based on Razor appearance? Do we know that or are we assuming that? If Topps/Bowman can admit that they did change it due to Razor, then it becomes an absolutely.

I do have some knowledge on this from Topps point of view, and honestly I think that Bowman Chrome's failure changed BCDP more than Razor. I do think Razor made them rethink some, but think more of it was the horrid reception of Chrome.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't know how to take that response......

It's nice to see a mod agree with me and disagree with Chris. That's all.

You actually think a Topps rep is going to let on that they changed anything because of Razor? Of course they aren't. To acknowledge Razor would only validate them and they aren't going to do that. So, with all this in mind, I think we could all agree that Topps made changes to BDP for multiple reasons: 08 BC sucking, the existence of Razor, the economy, Donruss, etc. But clearly Razor is one of the reasons.[/quote:1j4g0lk1]

I believe it was likely a combo of the two, the horrible reception to Chrome and Razor's exclusives.

Meanwhile Jeff is enjoying a moral victory over the mod staff.[/quote:1j4g0lk1]

What about the economy and the reemergence of Donruss? A TON of hobby dollars have gone to Donruss, a lot more than Razor can ever hope for.

 

[masonphillip]

[quote="Jeff N.":18f4amk9]

[quote="Jeff N.":18f4amk9]

[quote="kentuckyderby":18f4amk9]

Regarding whether or not Razor made BDP 08 better? Possibly. I am not sure we can say absolutely. Did BDP change its checklist 100% based on Razor appearance? Do we know that or are we assuming that? If Topps/Bowman can admit that they did change it due to Razor, then it becomes an absolutely.

I do have some knowledge on this from Topps point of view, and honestly I think that Bowman Chrome's failure changed BCDP more than Razor. I do think Razor made them rethink some, but think more of it was the horrid reception of Chrome.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't know how to take that response......

It's nice to see a mod agree with me and disagree with Chris. That's all.

You actually think a Topps rep is going to let on that they changed anything because of Razor? Of course they aren't. To acknowledge Razor would only validate them and they aren't going to do that. So, with all this in mind, I think we could all agree that Topps made changes to BDP for multiple reasons: 08 BC sucking, the existence of Razor, the economy, Donruss, etc. But clearly Razor is one of the reasons.[/quote:18f4amk9]

I believe it was likely a combo of the two, the horrible reception to Chrome and Razor's exclusives.

Meanwhile Jeff is enjoying a moral victory over the mod staff.[/quote:18f4amk9]

What about the economy and the reemergence of Donruss? A TON of hobby dollars have gone to Donruss, a lot more than Razor can ever hope for.[/quote:18f4amk9]

Elite and BDP played in the same market last year without much issue, both were big hits, the economy has impacted the entire market across the board, no question.

I still think that the two biggest factors were the horrible '08 chrome product, which would have sold awful during the best of times and the fact that Topps had to change their strategy due to Razor.

Do you think they would have inserted a guy like Porcello, not in the '08 draft class in the prospect set had it not been for Razor? That was a step away from what they typically do and I think Razor had a lot to do with it.

 

[19braves77]

Why even do the exclusive for next year ?

Upper Deck had all USA Team members sign autos for future projects. Razor can sign Kentrail Davis for a contract next year but Upper Deck has had him sign stickers twice sinced he played for Team USA. How is that exclusive is Upper Deck can place Davis into any set for 2009 long has he is in a USA uniform with an Auto.

 

[beefycheddar]

Why even do the exclusive for next year ?

Upper Deck had all USA Team members sign autos for future projects. Razor can sign Kentrail Davis for a contract next year but Upper Deck has had him sign stickers twice sinced he played for Team USA. How is that exclusive is Upper Deck can place Davis into any set for 2009 long has he is in a USA uniform with an Auto.

Not every player drafted will be in USA. Tim Beckham only had an Aflac, Casey Kelly had no cards at all. There are plenty like that. Plus not everyone likes the USA Stickers, and there so far have been no print runs released on the USA on Cards, which doesn't help value.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Jeff N.":3itfz0x1]

I don't think I'll get in trouble for this, but if I do, it is worth it.

Get the hell off of Brian!!

He is here trying to make the hobby better. Probably the LONGEST it would take to get a response from him might be 60 hours (from Friday at closing until Monday morning). How responsive are Topps and UD whenever something comes up? Do they respond quicker? Do they try and make things better in the end or just try and get you to shut up?

I've dealt with Customer Service at Topps and UD and I know from MY experience, Razor has a CLEAR advantage over them at this point.

You can call me biased because we won the uncut sheet or because we opened two boxes of Razor Signature Series (we do still needs cards #2 & 68 to complete our second base set) and the boys had an absolute BLAST opening the boxes. But I don't feel it is right that we have such HUGE expectations from Brian. He's already come through big, but we always expect more.

That's my say.

David

Do you truly believe he is trying to make the hobby better? Is that what you TRULY believe?

I'm not knocking the man at all for doing well at his business, but he is hardly doing this for the hobby.

Do exclusive contracts make the hobby better?

Was 08 bcdp a better product because of razor?


Absolutely.

If Donruss never did anything, you may be partially right. But considering Topps had a lot more competition from Donruss than they did Razor, I tend to think that BDP was stepped up because of a number of factors -- Donruss, the economy, and the disappointment of 2008 BC (stepped up a notch to win customers back).[/quote:3itfz0x1]

Nothing personal, but you are completely nuts!... LOL...

Donruss had NOTHING to do with Bowman draft... Razor exclusives pushed them to do more... When you dont have the best draft picks, ya gotta do something... They did something.... Donruss' products are both sturuggling below cost in marketplace... How is this supposed to challenge topps???

Its ok if you dont like Razor, but you could at least thank us for waking Topps up a bit!... BG

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Jeff N.":c2q6ay80][quote="Jeff N.":c2q6ay80]

#1- Razor absolutely has an ironclad contract with Wade Miley that 100% enjoins Donruss from this usage.

#2- Wade Miley also might have entered into a contract with Donruss VIOLATING his agreement. If so, both Miley (for breach of contract) and Donruss (for tortuous interference) will be sued and we will stop at nothing to be as punitive as possible as to the damages that are sought.

#3- Donruss originally had Matt Wieters in EEE 2008, but on our learning of this they pulled him at the last second as they acknowledged the validity of our ironclad agreements.

As a side note, I am growing very tired of hearing posters spread conspiracy theories. For example,

Quoting Jeff N., "Now I know why he wouldn't let me see the contract"...... My response to this, I have signed confidentiality agreements with every player and showing you this agreement would be a material breach... Unlike others in the business, I do not breach contracts....

For once and all, Our contracts are rock solid...


Feel free to PM an y questions... BG

I never said that. I said understandably, you wouldn't show me the contract. If I were you, I wouldn't show the contracts to a message board either.

Do you have a liquidated damages clause in the contract? Without that, you're going to waste a lot of time and money about 26 baseball cards. Suing Donruss is ridiculous, unless you can prove that they knowingly and willingly intended to print those 26 cards and insert them in their product. As I said in the other thread, the fact that they apparently removed the autograph cards would do a lot of good in a jury's eyes in showing they attempted to mitigate the player's damages.

#1- they WERE aware of agreement (Donruss)
#2- We do have a clause in player's agreemnts that provides for penalties in juts this sort of case...[/quote:c2q6ay80]

I understand they were aware - - isn't that why the autos were pulled? What incentive is it to Donruss to have the extra 25 cards in there? Isn't it more likely that those were missed in pulling the auto'ed cards? There appeared to be no intent to interefere with your contract.

As for the liquidated damages, if the player doesn't do anything in the majors, do you expect to collect from him? Doesn't it set off other prospective players as having to be careful with RAzor as they'll sue you if another company makes a product of you? (Miley will spin it, rest assured, and his agent will do so as well).[/quote:c2q6ay80]

You dont have to be careful with Razor if your a player, just dont take the money and break your contract!...

We will take all necessary action NOW which we can prove has caused damage to the brand (look at your posts!)....

Keep on talking about what a terrible situation this is... Just adds a level of consumer validation for any claims against Donruss/others...

I will say Donruss tried this with Wieters and I caught them!..
The legal letters/threats kept him out. Our action on this issue WILL solve the problem. BG

 

[AKA Coastal]

[quote="Jeff N.":34fpiqul]

I don't think I'll get in trouble for this, but if I do, it is worth it.

Get the hell off of Brian!!

He is here trying to make the hobby better. Probably the LONGEST it would take to get a response from him might be 60 hours (from Friday at closing until Monday morning). How responsive are Topps and UD whenever something comes up? Do they respond quicker? Do they try and make things better in the end or just try and get you to shut up?

I've dealt with Customer Service at Topps and UD and I know from MY experience, Razor has a CLEAR advantage over them at this point.

You can call me biased because we won the uncut sheet or because we opened two boxes of Razor Signature Series (we do still needs cards #2 & 68 to complete our second base set) and the boys had an absolute BLAST opening the boxes. But I don't feel it is right that we have such HUGE expectations from Brian. He's already come through big, but we always expect more.

That's my say.

David

Do you truly believe he is trying to make the hobby better? Is that what you TRULY believe?

I'm not knocking the man at all for doing well at his business, but he is hardly doing this for the hobby.

Do exclusive contracts make the hobby better?

Was 08 bcdp a better product because of razor?


Absolutely.

If Donruss never did anything, you may be partially right. But considering Topps had a lot more competition from Donruss than they did Razor, I tend to think that BDP was stepped up because of a number of factors -- Donruss, the economy, and the disappointment of 2008 BC (stepped up a notch to win customers back).

Nothing personal, but you are completely nuts!... LOL...

Donruss had NOTHING to do with Bowman draft... Razor exclusives pushed them to do more... When you dont have the best draft picks, ya gotta do something... They did something.... Donruss' products are both ridiculously weak and below cost in marketplace... How is this supposed to challenge topps???

Its ok if you dont like Razor, but you could at least thank us for waking Topps up a bit!... BG[/quote:34fpiqul]

Donruss weak? I think most people will take Donruss over Razor at this point? Kind of a bold statement. I was a big supporter of what you were doing at first ,but your starting to come off a little glib.

 

[Leaf]

I agree with Jeff N (Holy Smokes)
Brian is a businessman. He isn't in the industry soley for the collectors or for the hobby. He is in it to make money. Not ripping on him for it. That's life. he seems to care about the hobby and the collectors but I can see what Jeff means. Based on the previous post it made it seem like BG is a martyr or something.

Also, I also agree that the exclusivity might not make it better for the hobby side of it (true collectors now will have less opportunities to get players they want, future potential selling of contracts might be costly to collectors, etc). Investors might like the exclusivity but not the hobby collector

Regarding whether or not Razor made BDP 08 better? Possibly. I am not sure we can say absolutely. Did BDP change its checklist 100% based on Razor appearance? Do we know that or are we assuming that? If Topps/Bowman can admit that they did change it due to Razor, then it becomes an absolutely.

I agree too!!!... We are a FOR PROFIT business... BUT, do I HAVE TO screw over consumers like other companies have???

May I have permission to make a nice product with great customer service????

Lastly, the collector will now get 30 true MLB rookie cards of all our players... essentially, giving collectors MORE choices!!!!
How is this bad for collectors???? I BROKE A MONOPOLY ON MLB ROOKIES!!!!!

BG

 

[Leaf]

[quote="beefycheddar":3ifglrel][quote="Jeff N.":3ifglrel][quote="beefycheddar":3ifglrel][quote="kentuckyderby":3ifglrel]

Regarding whether or not Razor made BDP 08 better? Possibly. I am not sure we can say absolutely. Did BDP change its checklist 100% based on Razor appearance? Do we know that or are we assuming that? If Topps/Bowman can admit that they did change it due to Razor, then it becomes an absolutely.

I do have some knowledge on this from Topps point of view, and honestly I think that Bowman Chrome's failure changed BCDP more than Razor. I do think Razor made them rethink some, but think more of it was the horrid reception of Chrome.

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I don't know how to take that response......

It's nice to see a mod agree with me and disagree with Chris. That's all.

You actually think a Topps rep is going to let on that they changed anything because of Razor? Of course they aren't. To acknowledge Razor would only validate them and they aren't going to do that. So, with all this in mind, I think we could all agree that Topps made changes to BDP for multiple reasons: 08 BC sucking, the existence of Razor, the economy, Donruss, etc. But clearly Razor is one of the reasons.[/quote:3ifglrel]

Do you know the conversations I have had? They aren't just the ones posted on the site. I may have had some indepth talks with Topps people, and I honestly believe they just care more about their own product and are not very worried about Razor.[/quote:3ifglrel]

You think they're going to be completely and utterly honest with you about Razor's impact on their business, specifically in the prospect market? Can you, not Topps, but you honestly tell me that you believe that the changes that Topps made to BDP had NOTHING to do with Razor?[/quote:3ifglrel]

Please read my posts again. I never once said Razor had no impact, but I do not believe that Razor rattled Topps very much, if at all. I am one of the biggest supporters of Razor, I have no malice in stating it against them. I love Razor products, but from conversations I have had I do not believe Topps takes them very seriously at this point because of how many draft products have come and gone over the years.

I will state it again clearly, this years Bowman Chrome was more of a landscape changer I think as Razor to Topps. Razor may have made Topps rush some things (Aflacs) but I think the print run cutting, and less autographs but more quality in checklist were two things that Chrome completely changed, not so much Razor.

I am a big supporter of every company, what reason do they have to lie to me when we are just discussing different topics off air?[/quote:3ifglrel]

TRUST ME... the underhanded slime ball tactics Topps resorted to in an effort to try to thwart our initiative are not common among unconcerned parties.... TRUST ME... They are pissed...
not an opinion... 100% fact... BG

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Jeff N.":2ewcsm5t]

[quote="Jeff N.":2ewcsm5t]

I don't think I'll get in trouble for this, but if I do, it is worth it.

Get the hell off of Brian!!

He is here trying to make the hobby better. Probably the LONGEST it would take to get a response from him might be 60 hours (from Friday at closing until Monday morning). How responsive are Topps and UD whenever something comes up? Do they respond quicker? Do they try and make things better in the end or just try and get you to shut up?

I've dealt with Customer Service at Topps and UD and I know from MY experience, Razor has a CLEAR advantage over them at this point.

You can call me biased because we won the uncut sheet or because we opened two boxes of Razor Signature Series (we do still needs cards #2 & 68 to complete our second base set) and the boys had an absolute BLAST opening the boxes. But I don't feel it is right that we have such HUGE expectations from Brian. He's already come through big, but we always expect more.

That's my say.

David

Do you truly believe he is trying to make the hobby better? Is that what you TRULY believe?

I'm not knocking the man at all for doing well at his business, but he is hardly doing this for the hobby.

Do exclusive contracts make the hobby better?

Was 08 bcdp a better product because of razor?


Absolutely.

If Donruss never did anything, you may be partially right. But considering Topps had a lot more competition from Donruss than they did Razor, I tend to think that BDP was stepped up because of a number of factors -- Donruss, the economy, and the disappointment of 2008 BC (stepped up a notch to win customers back).

Nothing personal, but you are completely nuts!... LOL...

Donruss had NOTHING to do with Bowman draft... Razor exclusives pushed them to do more... When you dont have the best draft picks, ya gotta do something... They did something.... Donruss' products are both ridiculously weak and below cost in marketplace... How is this supposed to challenge topps???

Its ok if you dont like Razor, but you could at least thank us for waking Topps up a bit!... BG[/quote:2ewcsm5t]

Donruss weak? I think most people will take Donruss over Razor at this point? Kind of a bold statement. I was a big supporter of what you were doing at first ,but your starting to come off a little glib.[/quote:2ewcsm5t]

You can buy EEE for $40-45 now.. cost was $68... how is this ok???? Not trying to be a jerk, but Donruss products didnt push topps this year... Chrome's failure, economy and Razor did...

 

[AKA Coastal]

[quote="Jeff N.":377exxks]

[quote="Jeff N.":377exxks]

I don't think I'll get in trouble for this, but if I do, it is worth it.

Get the hell off of Brian!!

He is here trying to make the hobby better. Probably the LONGEST it would take to get a response from him might be 60 hours (from Friday at closing until Monday morning). How responsive are Topps and UD whenever something comes up? Do they respond quicker? Do they try and make things better in the end or just try and get you to shut up?

I've dealt with Customer Service at Topps and UD and I know from MY experience, Razor has a CLEAR advantage over them at this point.

You can call me biased because we won the uncut sheet or because we opened two boxes of Razor Signature Series (we do still needs cards #2 & 68 to complete our second base set) and the boys had an absolute BLAST opening the boxes. But I don't feel it is right that we have such HUGE expectations from Brian. He's already come through big, but we always expect more.

That's my say.

David

Do you truly believe he is trying to make the hobby better? Is that what you TRULY believe?

I'm not knocking the man at all for doing well at his business, but he is hardly doing this for the hobby.

Do exclusive contracts make the hobby better?

Was 08 bcdp a better product because of razor?


Absolutely.

If Donruss never did anything, you may be partially right. But considering Topps had a lot more competition from Donruss than they did Razor, I tend to think that BDP was stepped up because of a number of factors -- Donruss, the economy, and the disappointment of 2008 BC (stepped up a notch to win customers back).

Nothing personal, but you are completely nuts!... LOL...

Donruss had NOTHING to do with Bowman draft... Razor exclusives pushed them to do more... When you dont have the best draft picks, ya gotta do something... They did something.... Donruss' products are both ridiculously weak and below cost in marketplace... How is this supposed to challenge topps???

Its ok if you dont like Razor, but you could at least thank us for waking Topps up a bit!... BG

Donruss weak? I think most people will take Donruss over Razor at this point? Kind of a bold statement. I was a big supporter of what you were doing at first ,but your starting to come off a little glib.[/quote:377exxks]

You can buy EEE for $40-45 now.. cost was $68... how is this ok???? Not trying to be a jerk, but Donruss products didnt push topps this year... Chrome's failure, economy and Razor did...[/quote:377exxks]


A box of Razor just went for $68. Its the offseason. Prices are down.

PS- I'll take all the EEE you've got for $40 per. I can't find it under $50-55 (before shipping).

 

[IndyManning18]

I'm not a prospector so this issue really doesn't interest me. However, I think it's great for a President and CEO of a card company to come here and discuss the issues you guys are having. Would Upper Deck or Topps do that?? I don't think so.