wade miley... RAZOR EXCLUSIVE

[theplasticman]

Brian - Good luck to you in what you're doing!

Josh

 

[Matt Foley]

[quote="Jeff N.":1tvhj7wc][quote="Jeff N.":1tvhj7wc]

#1- Razor absolutely has an ironclad contract with Wade Miley that 100% enjoins Donruss from this usage.

#2- Wade Miley also might have entered into a contract with Donruss VIOLATING his agreement. If so, both Miley (for breach of contract) and Donruss (for tortuous interference) will be sued and we will stop at nothing to be as punitive as possible as to the damages that are sought.

#3- Donruss originally had Matt Wieters in EEE 2008, but on our learning of this they pulled him at the last second as they acknowledged the validity of our ironclad agreements.

As a side note, I am growing very tired of hearing posters spread conspiracy theories. For example,

Quoting Jeff N., "Now I know why he wouldn't let me see the contract"...... My response to this, I have signed confidentiality agreements with every player and showing you this agreement would be a material breach... Unlike others in the business, I do not breach contracts....

For once and all, Our contracts are rock solid...


Feel free to PM an y questions... BG

I never said that. I said understandably, you wouldn't show me the contract. If I were you, I wouldn't show the contracts to a message board either.

Do you have a liquidated damages clause in the contract? Without that, you're going to waste a lot of time and money about 26 baseball cards. Suing Donruss is ridiculous, unless you can prove that they knowingly and willingly intended to print those 26 cards and insert them in their product. As I said in the other thread, the fact that they apparently removed the autograph cards would do a lot of good in a jury's eyes in showing they attempted to mitigate the player's damages.

#1- they WERE aware of agreement (Donruss)
#2- We do have a clause in player's agreemnts that provides for penalties in juts this sort of case...

I understand they were aware - - isn't that why the autos were pulled? What incentive is it to Donruss to have the extra 25 cards in there? Isn't it more likely that those were missed in pulling the auto'ed cards? There appeared to be no intent to interefere with your contract.

As for the liquidated damages, if the player doesn't do anything in the majors, do you expect to collect from him? Doesn't it set off other prospective players as having to be careful with RAzor as they'll sue you if another company makes a product of you? (Miley will spin it, rest assured, and his agent will do so as well).[/quote:1tvhj7wc]

You dont have to be careful with Razor if your a player, just dont take the money and break your contract!...

We will take all necessary action NOW which we can prove has caused damage to the brand (look at your posts!)....

Keep on talking about what a terrible situation this is... Just adds a level of consumer validation for any claims against Donruss/others...

I will say Donruss tried this with Wieters and I caught them!..
The legal letters/threats kept him out. Our action on this issue WILL solve the problem. BG[/quote:1tvhj7wc]

If you quit blowing so hard, you might actually come off as tolerable. Running down the competition, calling Topps' tactics "slime ball" and calling Donruss products weak, is just stupid. For a while there, I thought you were smarter than that. Clearly, I was wrong.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="AKA Coastal":2on6l2na]

[quote="Jeff N.":2on6l2na]

[quote="Jeff N.":2on6l2na]

I don't think I'll get in trouble for this, but if I do, it is worth it.

Get the hell off of Brian!!

He is here trying to make the hobby better. Probably the LONGEST it would take to get a response from him might be 60 hours (from Friday at closing until Monday morning). How responsive are Topps and UD whenever something comes up? Do they respond quicker? Do they try and make things better in the end or just try and get you to shut up?

I've dealt with Customer Service at Topps and UD and I know from MY experience, Razor has a CLEAR advantage over them at this point.

You can call me biased because we won the uncut sheet or because we opened two boxes of Razor Signature Series (we do still needs cards #2 & 68 to complete our second base set) and the boys had an absolute BLAST opening the boxes. But I don't feel it is right that we have such HUGE expectations from Brian. He's already come through big, but we always expect more.

That's my say.

David

Do you truly believe he is trying to make the hobby better? Is that what you TRULY believe?

I'm not knocking the man at all for doing well at his business, but he is hardly doing this for the hobby.

Do exclusive contracts make the hobby better?

Was 08 bcdp a better product because of razor?


Absolutely.

If Donruss never did anything, you may be partially right. But considering Topps had a lot more competition from Donruss than they did Razor, I tend to think that BDP was stepped up because of a number of factors -- Donruss, the economy, and the disappointment of 2008 BC (stepped up a notch to win customers back).

Nothing personal, but you are completely nuts!... LOL...

Donruss had NOTHING to do with Bowman draft... Razor exclusives pushed them to do more... When you dont have the best draft picks, ya gotta do something... They did something.... Donruss' products are both ridiculously weak and below cost in marketplace... How is this supposed to challenge topps???

Its ok if you dont like Razor, but you could at least thank us for waking Topps up a bit!... BG

Donruss weak? I think most people will take Donruss over Razor at this point? Kind of a bold statement. I was a big supporter of what you were doing at first ,but your starting to come off a little glib.[/quote:2on6l2na]

You can buy EEE for $40-45 now.. cost was $68... how is this ok???? Not trying to be a jerk, but Donruss products didnt push topps this year... Chrome's failure, economy and Razor did...[/quote:2on6l2na]


A box of Razor just went for $68. Its the offseason. Prices are down.

PS- I'll take all the EEE you've got for $40 per. I can't find it under $50-55 (before shipping).[/quote:2on6l2na]

Ok,.... I have 100 boxes of EEE Ill sell you at $42 per including freight.... want them?... BG

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Jeff N.":gp9pq4e7]

[quote="Jeff N.":gp9pq4e7][quote="Jeff N.":gp9pq4e7]

#1- Razor absolutely has an ironclad contract with Wade Miley that 100% enjoins Donruss from this usage.

#2- Wade Miley also might have entered into a contract with Donruss VIOLATING his agreement. If so, both Miley (for breach of contract) and Donruss (for tortuous interference) will be sued and we will stop at nothing to be as punitive as possible as to the damages that are sought.

#3- Donruss originally had Matt Wieters in EEE 2008, but on our learning of this they pulled him at the last second as they acknowledged the validity of our ironclad agreements.

As a side note, I am growing very tired of hearing posters spread conspiracy theories. For example,

Quoting Jeff N., "Now I know why he wouldn't let me see the contract"...... My response to this, I have signed confidentiality agreements with every player and showing you this agreement would be a material breach... Unlike others in the business, I do not breach contracts....

For once and all, Our contracts are rock solid...


Feel free to PM an y questions... BG

I never said that. I said understandably, you wouldn't show me the contract. If I were you, I wouldn't show the contracts to a message board either.

Do you have a liquidated damages clause in the contract? Without that, you're going to waste a lot of time and money about 26 baseball cards. Suing Donruss is ridiculous, unless you can prove that they knowingly and willingly intended to print those 26 cards and insert them in their product. As I said in the other thread, the fact that they apparently removed the autograph cards would do a lot of good in a jury's eyes in showing they attempted to mitigate the player's damages.

#1- they WERE aware of agreement (Donruss)
#2- We do have a clause in player's agreemnts that provides for penalties in juts this sort of case...

I understand they were aware - - isn't that why the autos were pulled? What incentive is it to Donruss to have the extra 25 cards in there? Isn't it more likely that those were missed in pulling the auto'ed cards? There appeared to be no intent to interefere with your contract.

As for the liquidated damages, if the player doesn't do anything in the majors, do you expect to collect from him? Doesn't it set off other prospective players as having to be careful with RAzor as they'll sue you if another company makes a product of you? (Miley will spin it, rest assured, and his agent will do so as well).[/quote:gp9pq4e7]

You dont have to be careful with Razor if your a player, just dont take the money and break your contract!...

We will take all necessary action NOW which we can prove has caused damage to the brand (look at your posts!)....

Keep on talking about what a terrible situation this is... Just adds a level of consumer validation for any claims against Donruss/others...

I will say Donruss tried this with Wieters and I caught them!..
The legal letters/threats kept him out. Our action on this issue WILL solve the problem. BG[/quote:gp9pq4e7]

If you quit blowing so hard, you might actually come off as tolerable. Running down the competition, calling Topps' tactics "slime ball" and calling Donruss products weak, is just stupid. For a while there, I thought you were smarter than that. Clearly, I was wrong.[/quote:gp9pq4e7]

For TOPPS to tell agents we are broke and bankrupt before we even started IS SLIMEBALLISH... especially when we paid all players UPFRONT CASH MONEY...

Donruss Baseball is trading 30% under cost, how is that strong??

BG

 

[Leaf]

I agree... no more bashing from me!..

My apologies to those who I bashed (even if I was telling truth)... BG

 

[AKA Coastal]

[quote="AKA Coastal":1fszwvng]

[quote="Jeff N.":1fszwvng]

[quote="Jeff N.":1fszwvng][quote="dethomas07":1fszwvng]I don't think I'll get in trouble for this, but if I do, it is worth it.

Get the hell off of Brian!!

He is here trying to make the hobby better. Probably the LONGEST it would take to get a response from him might be 60 hours (from Friday at closing until Monday morning). How responsive are Topps and UD whenever something comes up? Do they respond quicker? Do they try and make things better in the end or just try and get you to shut up?

I've dealt with Customer Service at Topps and UD and I know from MY experience, Razor has a CLEAR advantage over them at this point.

You can call me biased because we won the uncut sheet or because we opened two boxes of Razor Signature Series (we do still needs cards #2 & 68 to complete our second base set) and the boys had an absolute BLAST opening the boxes. But I don't feel it is right that we have such HUGE expectations from Brian. He's already come through big, but we always expect more.

That's my say.

David

Do you truly believe he is trying to make the hobby better? Is that what you TRULY believe?

I'm not knocking the man at all for doing well at his business, but he is hardly doing this for the hobby.

Do exclusive contracts make the hobby better?

Was 08 bcdp a better product because of razor?


Absolutely.

If Donruss never did anything, you may be partially right. But considering Topps had a lot more competition from Donruss than they did Razor, I tend to think that BDP was stepped up because of a number of factors -- Donruss, the economy, and the disappointment of 2008 BC (stepped up a notch to win customers back).

Nothing personal, but you are completely nuts!... LOL...

Donruss had NOTHING to do with Bowman draft... Razor exclusives pushed them to do more... When you dont have the best draft picks, ya gotta do something... They did something.... Donruss' products are both ridiculously weak and below cost in marketplace... How is this supposed to challenge topps???

Its ok if you dont like Razor, but you could at least thank us for waking Topps up a bit!... BG

Donruss weak? I think most people will take Donruss over Razor at this point? Kind of a bold statement. I was a big supporter of what you were doing at first ,but your starting to come off a little glib.[/quote:1fszwvng]

You can buy EEE for $40-45 now.. cost was $68... how is this ok???? Not trying to be a jerk, but Donruss products didnt push topps this year... Chrome's failure, economy and Razor did...[/quote:1fszwvng]


A box of Razor just went for $68. Its the offseason. Prices are down.

PS- I'll take all the EEE you've got for $40 per. I can't find it under $50-55 (before shipping).[/quote:1fszwvng]

Ok,.... I have 100 boxes of EEE Ill sell you at $42 per including freight.... want them?... BG[/quote:1fszwvng]

PM me.

 

[jcmint]

A box of Razor just went for $68. Its the offseason. Prices are down.

PS- I'll take all the EEE you've got for $40 per. I can't find it under $50-55 (before shipping).[/quote]

Too bad you just missed a 9 box lot for 399 w/free shipping 45/box shipped Dude elite has tanked. Come on now.

Last 3 razor boxes close above 80 and 90 shipped.

 

[AKA Coastal]

The last 10+ single boxes have gone for $60ish shipped.

 

[ballerskrip]

A box of Razor just went for $68. Its the offseason. Prices are down.

PS- I'll take all the EEE you've got for $40 per. I can't find it under $50-55 (before shipping).

Too bad you just missed a 9 box lot for 399 w/free shipping 45/box shipped Dude elite has tanked. Come on now.[/quote]

Agreed. Sorry, Elite SUCKS this year if you ripping the boxes/cases. Might be good for singles buyers, but what set isn't???

 

[ballerskrip]

The last 10+ single boxes have gone for $60ish shipped.

Someone on the box break boards (I think boomo) bought a 10 box lot in the $400's, check it out, and then tell me you really want to throw away the $400-$475 it will cost you.

 

[jcmint]

The last 10+ single boxes have gone for $60ish shipped.

9 or 10 whats the difference they were there for your taking. If you were looking you would have saw em for 45 shipped unless you want to pay more. Stuff tanked period.

 

[AKA Coastal]

The last 10+ single boxes have gone for $60ish shipped.

Someone on the box break boards (I think boomo) bought a 10 box lot in the $400's, check it out, and then tell me you really want to throw away the $400-$475 it will cost you.

Elite has a history of dropping off and blowing up down the road. Its nothing new.

 

[bballcardkid]

Just another reason why box breaking is a bad idea. May be fun, but I'd rather get a lapdance.

 

[jcmint]

[quote="AKA Coastal":1x24jius]The last 10+ single boxes have gone for $60ish shipped.

Someone on the box break boards (I think boomo) bought a 10 box lot in the $400's, check it out, and then tell me you really want to throw away the $400-$475 it will cost you.

Elite has a history of dropping off and blowing up down the road. Its nothing new.[/quote:1x24jius]

if your referring to 2007 no it did not it came out hot and stayed hot thru out the year.

Ask people who broke these cases like Jim and Phil and they will tell oyu it sucked tanked whatever you wanna use here. I broke both and I made money with razor.

 

[Pete14Rose]

Just another reason why box breaking is a bad idea. May be fun, but I'd rather get a lapdance.

Amen brother. I'd rather buy the singles I WANT that sit and break wax and wind up with ****....or the next best thing...almost ****.

 

[jcmint]

Just another reason why box breaking is a bad idea. May be fun, but I'd rather get a lapdance.

Smartest thing I have heard since the new year. You gots thanked

 

[justinmandawg]

[quote="AKA Coastal":6u09ferm]The last 10+ single boxes have gone for $60ish shipped.

Someone on the box break boards (I think boomo) bought a 10 box lot in the $400's, check it out, and then tell me you really want to throw away the $400-$475 it will cost you.

Elite has a history of dropping off and blowing up down the road. Its nothing new.[/quote:6u09ferm]

Dropping off and falling off the face4 of the earth are two different things.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="AKA Coastal":1whx5sfc]

[quote="AKA Coastal":1whx5sfc]

[quote="Jeff N.":1whx5sfc]

[quote="Jeff N.":1whx5sfc][quote="dethomas07":1whx5sfc]I don't think I'll get in trouble for this, but if I do, it is worth it.

Get the hell off of Brian!!

He is here trying to make the hobby better. Probably the LONGEST it would take to get a response from him might be 60 hours (from Friday at closing until Monday morning). How responsive are Topps and UD whenever something comes up? Do they respond quicker? Do they try and make things better in the end or just try and get you to shut up?

I've dealt with Customer Service at Topps and UD and I know from MY experience, Razor has a CLEAR advantage over them at this point.

You can call me biased because we won the uncut sheet or because we opened two boxes of Razor Signature Series (we do still needs cards #2 & 68 to complete our second base set) and the boys had an absolute BLAST opening the boxes. But I don't feel it is right that we have such HUGE expectations from Brian. He's already come through big, but we always expect more.

That's my say.

David

Do you truly believe he is trying to make the hobby better? Is that what you TRULY believe?

I'm not knocking the man at all for doing well at his business, but he is hardly doing this for the hobby.

Do exclusive contracts make the hobby better?

Was 08 bcdp a better product because of razor?


Absolutely.

If Donruss never did anything, you may be partially right. But considering Topps had a lot more competition from Donruss than they did Razor, I tend to think that BDP was stepped up because of a number of factors -- Donruss, the economy, and the disappointment of 2008 BC (stepped up a notch to win customers back).

Nothing personal, but you are completely nuts!... LOL...

Donruss had NOTHING to do with Bowman draft... Razor exclusives pushed them to do more... When you dont have the best draft picks, ya gotta do something... They did something.... Donruss' products are both ridiculously weak and below cost in marketplace... How is this supposed to challenge topps???

Its ok if you dont like Razor, but you could at least thank us for waking Topps up a bit!... BG

Donruss weak? I think most people will take Donruss over Razor at this point? Kind of a bold statement. I was a big supporter of what you were doing at first ,but your starting to come off a little glib.[/quote:1whx5sfc]

You can buy EEE for $40-45 now.. cost was $68... how is this ok???? Not trying to be a jerk, but Donruss products didnt push topps this year... Chrome's failure, economy and Razor did...[/quote:1whx5sfc]


A box of Razor just went for $68. Its the offseason. Prices are down.

PS- I'll take all the EEE you've got for $40 per. I can't find it under $50-55 (before shipping).[/quote:1whx5sfc]

Ok,.... I have 100 boxes of EEE Ill sell you at $42 per including freight.... want them?... BG[/quote:1whx5sfc]

PM me.[/quote:1whx5sfc]

pm sent

 

[jcmint]

[quote="AKA Coastal":3rgyoszg]

[quote="AKA Coastal":3rgyoszg]

[quote="Jeff N.":3rgyoszg][quote="cgilmo":3rgyoszg][quote="Jeff N.":3rgyoszg][quote="dethomas07":3rgyoszg]I don't think I'll get in trouble for this, but if I do, it is worth it.

Get the hell off of Brian!!

He is here trying to make the hobby better. Probably the LONGEST it would take to get a response from him might be 60 hours (from Friday at closing until Monday morning). How responsive are Topps and UD whenever something comes up? Do they respond quicker? Do they try and make things better in the end or just try and get you to shut up?

I've dealt with Customer Service at Topps and UD and I know from MY experience, Razor has a CLEAR advantage over them at this point.

You can call me biased because we won the uncut sheet or because we opened two boxes of Razor Signature Series (we do still needs cards #2 & 68 to complete our second base set) and the boys had an absolute BLAST opening the boxes. But I don't feel it is right that we have such HUGE expectations from Brian. He's already come through big, but we always expect more.

That's my say.

David

Do you truly believe he is trying to make the hobby better? Is that what you TRULY believe?

I'm not knocking the man at all for doing well at his business, but he is hardly doing this for the hobby.

Do exclusive contracts make the hobby better?

Was 08 bcdp a better product because of razor?


Absolutely.

If Donruss never did anything, you may be partially right. But considering Topps had a lot more competition from Donruss than they did Razor, I tend to think that BDP was stepped up because of a number of factors -- Donruss, the economy, and the disappointment of 2008 BC (stepped up a notch to win customers back).

Nothing personal, but you are completely nuts!... LOL...

Donruss had NOTHING to do with Bowman draft... Razor exclusives pushed them to do more... When you dont have the best draft picks, ya gotta do something... They did something.... Donruss' products are both ridiculously weak and below cost in marketplace... How is this supposed to challenge topps???

Its ok if you dont like Razor, but you could at least thank us for waking Topps up a bit!... BG

Donruss weak? I think most people will take Donruss over Razor at this point? Kind of a bold statement. I was a big supporter of what you were doing at first ,but your starting to come off a little glib.[/quote:3rgyoszg]

You can buy EEE for $40-45 now.. cost was $68... how is this ok???? Not trying to be a jerk, but Donruss products didnt push topps this year... Chrome's failure, economy and Razor did...[/quote:3rgyoszg]


A box of Razor just went for $68. Its the offseason. Prices are down.

PS- I'll take all the EEE you've got for $40 per. I can't find it under $50-55 (before shipping).[/quote:3rgyoszg]

Ok,.... I have 100 boxes of EEE Ill sell you at $42 per including freight.... want them?... BG[/quote:3rgyoszg]

PM me.[/quote:3rgyoszg]

pm sent[/quote:3rgyoszg]

I would love to hear how many boxes he wants after hearing he wanted all he could get at that price. hopefully you can help him out. These boards are all about helping each other.

 

[19braves77]

I dunno but what can you expect from a set like DEE that features low level minor leaguers in January. For 40.00 with the chance of getting:

Rodriguez for 15-20
Porcello for 30-40
Micheal Taylor's 15-20
Gordon Beckham 20-30
Buster Posey 25-40
Mike Stanton 20-30

Plus an additional 10 players ending in the 8 to 15 range


Thats just base autos. Get one of the lowserial numbers and tact on an extra 10 to 20 for each player listed.

Its not that bad of a product for under $50.00 a box.