it would probably be best to leave them unopened
you could flip them, surely 42$ a box is a long term low
you could flip them, surely 42$ a box is a long term low
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cgilmo said:
Agreed, I see no profit breaking at 42 a box.
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sportscardtheory
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razorent said:
THANK YOU!
As for all the negativity being thrown your way, it's only a select few and I wouldn't sweat those fools... you made a valiant effort to give the customer what they wanted and your stuff is selling, and that is all that matters.sportscardtheory
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bc81758 said:
He's implying the fact that, for example Tim Beckham's, first MLB cards will be true rookies and not 3rd or 4th year cards because of Bowman/Chrome...
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AKA Coastal said:
:lol: That was smooth!...I loved it!!! Very nice
SHARKS! You are all SHARKS! I have decided not to go swimming and stay on the beach with Miley (cyrus) as some of you dive in and get eaten by the SHARKS! :lol:
Seriously, this is what collecting is all about. Not the part where a guy (possibly) broke a contract and set himself up for trouble, but the conversation between passionate collectors. I wish there was 1 big thank button where I could thank everyone posting here because THIS is what its all about.
Funny how Wade Mileys Razor card has black and white pinstripes around the border....maybe in a short time he will be wearing those colors! :lol:
Anyways, Miley (cyrus) and I will be here, on the beach, away from the water, if anyone needs us.
Seriously, this is what collecting is all about. Not the part where a guy (possibly) broke a contract and set himself up for trouble, but the conversation between passionate collectors. I wish there was 1 big thank button where I could thank everyone posting here because THIS is what its all about.
Funny how Wade Mileys Razor card has black and white pinstripes around the border....maybe in a short time he will be wearing those colors! :lol:
Anyways, Miley (cyrus) and I will be here, on the beach, away from the water, if anyone needs us.
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jcmint said:
Exactly Joe, exactly.
kentuckyderby
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Phil,
I guess it can be annoying reading posts about conspiracy theorists who hint that some have alternative motives for backing/protecting Razor.
However, some might have decent reason to feel that something just isn't kosher after they read about this person getting a box of promos, this person getting clothing, this person getting boxes of cards for a podcast, this person getting inside information of short-prints before anyone else was told, this person getting reduced case prices for their loyalty, etc.
The above items might seem like nothing but when they are added up, the theorists aren't as nuts as one might seem.
The part that makes some roll their eyes is when some claim that they aren't getting anything (and maybe THEY aren't) but clearly others are. That fact alone should allow conspiarcy theorists to at least have the opportunity to have their opinion. We all know how the real world works. Heck, we read about it everyday in the paper and see it on the news. There are always more behind the scene happenings that we will never know about.
I have never seen a topic in the baseball card industry that has drawn so many opinions on both sides than Razor. Most people fall in the middle when it comes to a topic (slightly pro, slightly con, neutral). However, there seem to be zealots who are gung-ho on both sides. I cannot speak for the bashers as to why they are such haters other than maybe they are turned off from all the Razor Kool-Aid drinkers while others just hate change and hate the underdog. I was a huge Razo backer even from the BMB days but have slowly backed away/ been less of a gung-ho supporter after becoming turned off by some of the "bubble boy" love for Razor by this board (people thinking for BG, people assuming on behalf of Razo, reading about some of the perks given out even after the claims continue to nobody received anything extra) Maybe it's that syndrome when you like a nerdy chick and then she is no longer hot in your eyes after people relaize she has potential???
I guess my main point is that some who aren't Razor supporters and claim that some have alternative motives for praising Razor might have some reason to feel that way
I guess it can be annoying reading posts about conspiracy theorists who hint that some have alternative motives for backing/protecting Razor.
However, some might have decent reason to feel that something just isn't kosher after they read about this person getting a box of promos, this person getting clothing, this person getting boxes of cards for a podcast, this person getting inside information of short-prints before anyone else was told, this person getting reduced case prices for their loyalty, etc.
The above items might seem like nothing but when they are added up, the theorists aren't as nuts as one might seem.
The part that makes some roll their eyes is when some claim that they aren't getting anything (and maybe THEY aren't) but clearly others are. That fact alone should allow conspiarcy theorists to at least have the opportunity to have their opinion. We all know how the real world works. Heck, we read about it everyday in the paper and see it on the news. There are always more behind the scene happenings that we will never know about.
I have never seen a topic in the baseball card industry that has drawn so many opinions on both sides than Razor. Most people fall in the middle when it comes to a topic (slightly pro, slightly con, neutral). However, there seem to be zealots who are gung-ho on both sides. I cannot speak for the bashers as to why they are such haters other than maybe they are turned off from all the Razor Kool-Aid drinkers while others just hate change and hate the underdog. I was a huge Razo backer even from the BMB days but have slowly backed away/ been less of a gung-ho supporter after becoming turned off by some of the "bubble boy" love for Razor by this board (people thinking for BG, people assuming on behalf of Razo, reading about some of the perks given out even after the claims continue to nobody received anything extra) Maybe it's that syndrome when you like a nerdy chick and then she is no longer hot in your eyes after people relaize she has potential???
I guess my main point is that some who aren't Razor supporters and claim that some have alternative motives for praising Razor might have some reason to feel that way
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Even if those things are true, it is the way business is done. Turn a blind eye or not.
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kentuckyderby said:
Beckett also got 3 boxes! I did get a box, but a lot of sites get a lot of boxes for a lot of products. My best friend runs a tech site and gets in products to review every single day. He also gets free service from Sprint and free phones. My site gets more traffic than his, and he gets in the thousands of dollars worth of products every quarter. I got one box for free, that's it. I would love to get more for what I do, but can see how it's not worth the negative press for a company to send me one or really any since everyone seems like they want to heap on bashing me for getting one box!
I have bought Razor cards since, and bought plates before I got the one box. I guess my site just is too bush league for everyone here to be considered worthwhile to get product since I don't see people complaining about Beckett, or Gilmore getting stuff regularly.
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kentuckyderby said:
I really don't care whether you like Razor or not, that's fine, come to your own conclusions but as far as the freebies, lets take a look at your list
Andrew got some promos and a shirt, total value, gosh, maybe $30, his order was over $20k, not material whatsoever.
Rob and Gilmore got boxes to video break and review, their boxes were not loaded (Beckett's always are with topps and dlp) and that is clearly a marketing effort and very normal in this business.
gilmore had info about the lawrie shortprint, didn't buy a one, no one else did, this is not a public company, insider trading stuff doesn't happen, information leaking out is how it happens.
reduced case prices? again, not that I'm aware and and I bought a ton, so if there were and I didn't get them, then I'm upset.
These, items just aren't a big deal, Andrew gets $30 worth of worthless promo and t-shirts, Gilmore and Robb get a couple hundred worth of boxes, no one profits on the Lawrie, anyone could buy direct from Razor with a tax ID, these are small numbers...when you consider a print run of 2,000 cases and factor cost of 750 a case, that's $1.5 million, and we are talking about conspiracy figures of a couple of hundred bucks.
I am sick and tired of this line of questioning that gets rehashed over and over agian. We always come to the same conclusion, and that conclusion is that nothing is wrong here.
kentuckyderby
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Phil ,
It isn't the value of what was given.
It is easy to donwplay it by adding low monetary value to it. Stealing penny candy is still stealing. Telling a white lie is still a lie. a player breaking a contract is still a player breaking an exclusive contract "even if it is ONLY Wade Miley"
It is the fact that denials are made that "We're not getting anything" "We have no reason to pimp Razor" and then those who do the denying get pissed that accusations are made and say that anyone accusing is slandering/libel..........when all along, items were given, case discounts were given, product was passed along, information was shared even though some initially made it appear that information was not shared, etc
One cannot sit there and be pissed that some accuse when those that accused were right all along
It isn't the value of what was given.
It is easy to donwplay it by adding low monetary value to it. Stealing penny candy is still stealing. Telling a white lie is still a lie. a player breaking a contract is still a player breaking an exclusive contract "even if it is ONLY Wade Miley"
It is the fact that denials are made that "We're not getting anything" "We have no reason to pimp Razor" and then those who do the denying get pissed that accusations are made and say that anyone accusing is slandering/libel..........when all along, items were given, case discounts were given, product was passed along, information was shared even though some initially made it appear that information was not shared, etc
One cannot sit there and be pissed that some accuse when those that accused were right all along
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cgilmo said:
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case discounts WERE NOT GIVEN
information is shared from brian to me because he bounces stuff of of me, if you have a problem with that then I really don't know what to tell you. Free product is given to those who do reviews, and I get much more free product from topps than I do from razor.
case discounts WERE NOT GIVEN
information is shared from brian to me because he bounces stuff of of me, if you have a problem with that then I really don't know what to tell you. Free product is given to those who do reviews, and I get much more free product from topps than I do from razor.
kentuckyderby
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cgilmo said:
kentuckyderby said:cgilmo said:
Who got a discount on a case?
