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Well Ozzie made it 5 games before his mouth cost him........
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Is this really where this country is heading? Where if someone has an opinion that offends some people we suspend them? That is a pretty sad state of affairs. We have an owner of a team who lied about his finances to get public funding for his stadium, suspending his manager for an unpopular opinion. When did this country become so sensitive?
BowmanChromeAddict
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elmalo said:
Are you kidding me? Ozzie didn't just voice an opinion, he alienated the fan base! That's bad for business.
BowmanChromeAddict
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rsmath said:
There are code of conduct policies in any contract...especially for a guy like Guillen who is known to spout off and say idiotic things. There is no doubt that he violated that policy and it is based upon that policy that he was "legally" suspended.
Do you really think you would keep your job if you alienated the entire customer base for your company?
chromerookies
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Lancemountain said:
:lol: Nice!
What do Ozzie Guillens personal political opinions have anything to do with going to a ballpark and enjoying a game? Do we have to start testing all managers now and make sure that their values and opinions are in line with their fan base?BowmanChromeAddict said:
55_marlins_sp said:
This isn't a first amendment issue. Not by a long shot.
cgilmo said:
I'm always saddened when people bring up the first amendment when it doesnt seem they understand what it means...
Jastermereel
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Total guess, but I'd think Ozzie has been in the United States for nearly as much of his life as he's been in his native country (Venezuela?). He knows English. He may need subtext on the screen when he speaks, but he knows English.
Lancemountain
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elmalo said:
Not sure if you're being dense on purpose here but I'll bite.
(A) Miami is full of Cubans.
(B) Cubans like baseball.
(C) People who like baseball tend to spend money and go to games.
(D) Cubans do not like Castro, particularly the ones that currently live in Miami.
(E) Miami manager said something positive about Castro
So A+B=C. That's good.
If E happens then it evokes D which will make C not happen.
Capish?
BowmanChromeAddict said:
guess there isn't much you can do about those cuban-related hypocrits. They leave cuba in part so they have the freedom to speak their hatred for Castro and his regime without being rounded up and held in a place that might as well be a sewer and in the USA where they have freedom to express, they don't respect Ozzie's.
RL24
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elmalo said:
It's really not that complicated. People stop going to ball games because they don't like the owner, who they'll never even have to see at the game. They don't want to support the franchise. In this case, they are so mad at the manager of the team, they don't want to give their money to the team.
It wouldn't be that big of a deal if the team hadn't just moved the team and built a new stadium and picked the location completely so that they could get Cuban fans to attend their games. They shelled out crazy money bringing in players they thought would appeal to the Cuban community. It was a huge mistake on Ozzies part and could really shoot the team in the foot.
Of course, most of the hate for Castro that we Americans feel is sadly due to propaganda. None of us really knows what goes on there. We get our information from American media, and our gov't has hated Castro ever since he took out the dictator that was an American puppet and liberated his people. A lot of rich Amercians were supposed to get a lot richer, but Castro ruined the whole plan. You can ask a Cuban here how they feel, but they hate Castro so much they fled the country. It's like asking TP how he feels about Obama. Pretty hard to get an unbiased opinion or even much truth. And speaking of TP, isn't Castro actually a good guy who helps keep illegal immigrants from using up our precious tax dollars and taking our precious field jobs?
RL24 said:
It's really not that complicated. People stop going to ball games because they don't like the owner, who they'll never even have to see at the game. They don't want to support the franchise. In this case, they are so mad at the manager of the team, they don't want to give their money to the team.
It wouldn't be that big of a deal if the team hadn't just moved the team and built a new stadium and picked the location completely so that they could get Cuban fans to attend their games. They shelled out crazy money bringing in players they thought would appeal to the Cuban community. It was a huge mistake on Ozzies part and could really shoot the team in the foot.
Of course, most of the hate for Castro that we Americans feel is sadly due to propaganda. None of us really knows what goes on there. We get our information from American media, and our gov't has hated Castro ever since he took out the dictator that was an American puppet and liberated his people. A lot of rich Amercians were supposed to get a lot richer, but Castro ruined the whole plan. You can ask a Cuban here how they feel, but they hate Castro so much they fled the country. It's like asking TP how he feels about Obama. Pretty hard to get an unbiased opinion or even much truth. And speaking of TP, isn't Castro actually a good guy who helps keep illegal immigrants from using up our precious tax dollars and taking our precious field jobs?
[/quote:3r6nzdwt]Fidel Castro is an evil, torturing murderer who turned the ilsand of Cuba into the largest prison on the planet earth. That is not American propaganda. That is fact. All you have to do is look at the thousands of people every year who risk their lives, and many who die to get off of that island. If you dig deeper into the history of Cuba, you see that yes, Batista wasnt the greatest leader, however, Cuba at the time was the most liberal society in latin america, they had unions before the united states did and they had very good wealth distribution. Fidel Castro and his bad of thugs completely ruined the island and took away the rights of all. I could go on and on about this, but I will stop here. I do not agree with what Guillen said about the man, however, it is what it is, his opinion and just bc I disagree with that opinion doesnt mean I cant respect him as a manger or attend a game that he is managing in.
predatorkj
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Elmalo, yes society is THAT sensitive. In fact, a lot of jobs gripe and will fire you over facebook posts about things that have nothing to do with your job, and that are done on your own free time. Even if where you work isn't really with customers. In this day and age, especially with the media's ability to make things viral, any time anything is said or done that can be seen as bad, you stand that chance. I do feel like it's going beyond and above what is really needed but companies don't feel that way. They don't want anyone like that working for them.
I kind of understand what Ozzie said but I also, like others have pointed out, understand that you have to choose very wisely how you state it. A lot of people study ****** because of how he was able to pull off what he did. Not that they enjoy what he did or condone it. But they are interested in how he was able to get away with it. So people are interested in it so they can see how he slipped through all the right cracks to gain the power he did. And it's also important to know so we, as a society, can make sure it never happens again. If you know what to look for, you can try to prevent it from happening ever again. But that guy(any researcher or anyone interested in it), as was pointed out, can't go around professing love(in any way) for such a murderous criminal. Even if 75% of people understood what you really meant, the other 25% are still going to give you hell. Why not just pick your words wisely, say what you really mean, and have everyone understand all at once?
The problem with Ozzie is he has always been the type to run his mouth and say spur of the moment dumb things and then the people around him have to deal with it. He was like that in Chicago and obviously he hasn't changed. And you can bet people's opinions, even who they are and the kind of person they are, can make people not want to go to the games. I know if he was ever hired by the astros, I won't watch the games. I'll watch the Rangers or keep up with the yankees instead.
I kind of understand what Ozzie said but I also, like others have pointed out, understand that you have to choose very wisely how you state it. A lot of people study ****** because of how he was able to pull off what he did. Not that they enjoy what he did or condone it. But they are interested in how he was able to get away with it. So people are interested in it so they can see how he slipped through all the right cracks to gain the power he did. And it's also important to know so we, as a society, can make sure it never happens again. If you know what to look for, you can try to prevent it from happening ever again. But that guy(any researcher or anyone interested in it), as was pointed out, can't go around professing love(in any way) for such a murderous criminal. Even if 75% of people understood what you really meant, the other 25% are still going to give you hell. Why not just pick your words wisely, say what you really mean, and have everyone understand all at once?
The problem with Ozzie is he has always been the type to run his mouth and say spur of the moment dumb things and then the people around him have to deal with it. He was like that in Chicago and obviously he hasn't changed. And you can bet people's opinions, even who they are and the kind of person they are, can make people not want to go to the games. I know if he was ever hired by the astros, I won't watch the games. I'll watch the Rangers or keep up with the yankees instead.
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55_marlins_sp said:
Is he in jail? No. It's not a 1st amendment issue. It's a issue where he pissed off the majority of the fanbase.
RL24
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elmalo said:
I know that's what we are told, but there are some facts that you can look at. Like in 1980 when he allowed anybody who wanted to leave to go as they wished, and only 1% of the population left. Of course those 1% really hated Castro as mentioned previously. If Obama was our dictator, lots of people would leave. Way more people would stay. The country would be a much better place in some peoples' opinion. I doubt that he could get our 86% literacy rate up to Cuban standards, where 99.8% of the population is literate, but...
Plus there's no way he could make our country this great:
That's pretty impressive.
Cuba's main problem is the United States and the sanctions that have been in place for the last 50+ years. The longest lasting trade embargo in modern history. And do you know which group is the most vocal and works the hardest to keep the embargo in place? Believe it or not, it's the Cuban-American exiles, whose votes are crucial in Florida. The only point of view we get to see is brought to us by people who hate Castro. That's all I'm really trying to say. None of us knows what it is really like to live there. To me it appears as if the only problem they have is the US, and 1% of the population blames Castro instead of blaming the US.
I have heard that it's not bad to live there, and Castro isn't as terrible as we all believe. A little Bud told me.
Let's hope the American-Cuban community never sees that pic, they'll probably boycott baseball altogether!
1. Cubas literacy rate #'s are provide by the Cuban government, so if you want to believe those #'s than be my guest. 2. What good is being literate or educated when you cannot do anything with that education? 3. Im tired of people blaming the U.S sanctions for Cubas problems, it is a scapegoat to cover the utter failure of the Castro regime. Guess what one of the first things that Castro and Guevara did when they took power? They kicked all U.S businesses out and said they would never trade with the U.S. The Mariel baotlift was not for anyone who wanted to leave. It was for people granted permission to leave by Castro. Many of the people who he "allowed" to leave were mental patients and violent criminals. The only reason that more people didnt come is because it was ended, not because they didnt want to.RL24 said:elmalo said:
I know that's what we are told, but there are some facts that you can look at. Like in 1980 when he allowed anybody who wanted to leave to go as they wished, and only 1% of the population left. Of course those 1% really hated Castro as mentioned previously. If Obama was our dictator, lots of people would leave. Way more people would stay. The country would be a much better place in some peoples' opinion. I doubt that he could get our 86% literacy rate up to Cuban standards, where 99.8% of the population is literate, but...
Plus there's no way he could make our country this great:
That's pretty impressive.
Cuba's main problem is the United States and the sanctions that have been in place for the last 50+ years. The longest lasting trade embargo in modern history. And do you know which group is the most vocal and works the hardest to keep the embargo in place? Believe it or not, it's the Cuban-American exiles, whose votes are crucial in Florida. The only point of view we get to see is brought to us by people who hate Castro. That's all I'm really trying to say. None of us knows what it is really like to live there. To me it appears as if the only problem they have is the US, and 1% of the population blames Castro instead of blaming the US.
I have heard that it's not bad to live there, and Castro isn't as terrible as we all believe. A little Bud told me.
Let's hope the American-Cuban community never sees that pic, they'll probably boycott baseball altogether!
