What is Josh Gibson's TRUE rookie card

[sportscardtheory]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

If anyone is wondering what I mean, think of it like this. Ichiro Suzuki had many cards produced in Japan from 1993-2000. But his first MLB cards were produced in 2001, making them his "true" RCs. What is the equivalent for Josh Gibson? Hall of Fame coach Chuck Noll had cards as far back as the '40s, but he wasn't on an NFL licensed card until 1989 Pro-Set, which is considered his only "true" RC. I'm looking for the Josh Gibson equivalent.

No one considers that Noll's RC.

agree, and anyone who considers the 93 ted williams card of gibson his rc are crazy.

Then I'll ask again, what is the first MLB licensed, pack-released set containing current (for it's time) ML players that had Josh Gibson on it's checklist? Just answer that question and leave the RC situation to anyone who cares.

 

[Jeff D]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

this could help


Recently Unveiled Postcard is Josh Gibson's Earliest Card


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I was aware of that as well, but since it's neither pack issued, nor MLB licensed, nor nationally distributed for that matter, it would never qualify under his guidelines.

So it is funny that the 1933 Ruths, along with many others from that set, are bought/sold/traded as RCs?

Yes. I don't think many people buying the Ruth Goudey think they're buying a rookie card of the Babe. They think they are buying a 1933 Babe Ruth Goudey (a great card of a great player from a great set).

 

[George_Calfas]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

If anyone is wondering what I mean, think of it like this. Ichiro Suzuki had many cards produced in Japan from 1993-2000. But his first MLB cards were produced in 2001, making them his "true" RCs. What is the equivalent for Josh Gibson? Hall of Fame coach Chuck Noll had cards as far back as the '40s, but he wasn't on an NFL licensed card until 1989 Pro-Set, which is considered his only "true" RC. I'm looking for the Josh Gibson equivalent.

No one considers that Noll's RC.

agree, and anyone who considers the 93 ted williams card of gibson his rc are crazy.

Then I'll ask again, what is the first MLB licensed, pack-released set containing current (for it's time) ML players that had Josh Gibson on it's checklist? Just answer that question and leave the RC situation to anyone who cares.

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[sportscardtheory]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

[quote="George_Calfas":1aiti581]

If anyone is wondering what I mean, think of it like this. Ichiro Suzuki had many cards produced in Japan from 1993-2000. But his first MLB cards were produced in 2001, making them his "true" RCs. What is the equivalent for Josh Gibson? Hall of Fame coach Chuck Noll had cards as far back as the '40s, but he wasn't on an NFL licensed card until 1989 Pro-Set, which is considered his only "true" RC. I'm looking for the Josh Gibson equivalent.

No one considers that Noll's RC.

agree, and anyone who considers the 93 ted williams card of gibson his rc are crazy.

Then I'll ask again, what is the first MLB licensed, pack-released set containing current (for it's time) ML players that had Josh Gibson on it's checklist? Just answer that question and leave the RC situation to anyone who cares.

welcome to the foe list[/quote:1aiti581]

Because I asked a question? Have at it, lol.

 

[matfanofold]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

If anyone is wondering what I mean, think of it like this. Ichiro Suzuki had many cards produced in Japan from 1993-2000. But his first MLB cards were produced in 2001, making them his "true" RCs. What is the equivalent for Josh Gibson? Hall of Fame coach Chuck Noll had cards as far back as the '40s, but he wasn't on an NFL licensed card until 1989 Pro-Set, which is considered his only "true" RC. I'm looking for the Josh Gibson equivalent.

No one considers that Noll's RC.

agree, and anyone who considers the 93 ted williams card of gibson his rc are crazy.

Then I'll ask again, what is the first MLB licensed, pack-released set containing current (for it's time) ML players that had a Josh Gibson on it's checklist? Just answer that question and leave the RC situation to anyone who cares.

What are you not understanding???

There was NO pack released Gibson that contains current(to his time) ML players period. You could defer to the 93' williams set, but would be considered a loon by anyone in the know. I mean, anyone who saw the glossy card and holographic logo would know right away it was wrong. I dont know what your trying to prove, or what your trying to get at but the criteria of a "true" RC is not as clear cut as you are trying to make it out to be. Context is always in question, and when dealing with Gibson, and thoes alike, there is no such animal as a pack pulled MLB Licensed Gibson RC. No matter how hard you try to fit that round peg in a square hole, it's not going to happen.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

[quote="Triple Threads":3uehbil9]this could help


Recently Unveiled Postcard is Josh Gibson's Earliest Card


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I was aware of that as well, but since it's neither pack issued, nor MLB licensed, nor nationally distributed for that matter, it would never qualify under his guidelines.

So it is funny that the 1933 Ruths, along with many others from that set, are bought/sold/traded as RCs?

Yes. I don't think many people buying the Ruth Goudey think they're buying a rookie card of the Babe. They think they are buying a 1933 Babe Ruth Goudey (a great card of a great player from a great set).

[/quote:3uehbil9]

In all seriousness, then do you consider, just for example, a Rickey Henderson Minor League card that pre-dates his 1980 Topps rookie card, a rookie card? Because that Ruth is as far from a MLB card as you can get.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

If anyone is wondering what I mean, think of it like this. Ichiro Suzuki had many cards produced in Japan from 1993-2000. But his first MLB cards were produced in 2001, making them his "true" RCs. What is the equivalent for Josh Gibson? Hall of Fame coach Chuck Noll had cards as far back as the '40s, but he wasn't on an NFL licensed card until 1989 Pro-Set, which is considered his only "true" RC. I'm looking for the Josh Gibson equivalent.

No one considers that Noll's RC.

agree, and anyone who considers the 93 ted williams card of gibson his rc are crazy.

Then I'll ask again, what is the first MLB licensed, pack-released set containing current (for it's time) ML players that had a Josh Gibson on it's checklist? Just answer that question and leave the RC situation to anyone who cares.

What are you not understanding???

There was NO pack released Gibson that contains current(to his time) ML players period. You could defer to the 93' williams set, but would be considered a loon by anyone in the know. I mean, anyone who saw the glossy card and holographic logo would know right away it was wrong. I dont know what your trying to prove, or what your trying to get at but the criteria of a "true" RC is not as clear cut as you are trying to make it out to be. Context is always in question, and when dealing with Gibson, and thoes alike, there is no such animal as a pack pulled MLB Licensed Gibson RC. No matter how hard you try to fit that round peg in a square hole, it's not going to happen.

I'm not talking about HIS playing time. What don't you get about that? lol Why can't you just answer the question I asked without even thinking about the RC part of it. It's a simple question, I'll ask again. What is the first MLB licensed, pack-released set containing current (for it's time) ML players that had a Josh Gibson on it's checklist?

 

[Jeff D]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

I'm not talking about HIS playing time. What don't you get about that? lol Why can't you just answer the question I asked without even thinking about the RC part of it. It's a simple question, I'll ask again. What is the first MLB licensed, pack-released set containing current (for it's time) ML players that had a Josh Gibson on it's checklist?

I'm just going to add one thing, before moving on, and to say sorry that I was not able to help you out a little more.

The reason you're having such a tough time finding an answer to your question is that while you have a definition of what makes a card a true rookie card, other people don't nec. buy into it under all circumstances. If the 1993 Ted Williams works for you, then that's awesome...really. But you can't expect other people to forgo their own rationality and common sense and be tricked into calling a card produced almost 50 years after his death his "rookie card."

And to answer your question about whether I would call a Rickey Henderson minor league issue a "rookie card", maybe I would. I haven't thought about it much. I know that many people feel Prince Fielder's 2002 Prospect Premiers is his "rookie card" but Beckett considers it an XRC. It's a matter of preference. And you clearly have your own. Good luck to you!

Oh, I have to admit your screen name seems somewhat appropriate. You def. do have a sports card theory.

 

[Triple Threads]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

ahh 2006 topps sterling by chance game used bat

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

I'm not talking about HIS playing time. What don't you get about that? lol Why can't you just answer the question I asked without even thinking about the RC part of it. It's a simple question, I'll ask again. What is the first MLB licensed, pack-released set containing current (for it's time) ML players that had a Josh Gibson on it's checklist?

I'm just going to add one thing, before moving on, and to say sorry that I was not able to help you out a little more.

The reason you're having such a tough time finding an answer to your question is that while you have a definition of what makes a card a true rookie card, other people don't nec. buy into it under all circumstances. If the 1993 Ted Williams works for you, then that's awesome...really. But you can't expect other people to forgo their own rationality and common sense and be tricked into calling a card produced almost 50 years after his death his "rookie card."

And to answer your question about whether I would call a Rickey Henderson minor league issue a "rookie card", maybe I would. I haven't thought about it much. I know that many people feel Prince Fielder's 2002 Prospect Premiers is his "rookie card" but Beckett considers it an XRC. It's a matter of preference. And you clearly have your own. Good luck to you!

Oh, I have to admit your screen name seems somewhat appropriate. You def. do have a sports card theory.

I agree, everyone has there own take. But looking at it through the eyes of a RC collector, I am simply curious. The 1931 post card is exactly that, a post card... not a baseball card. The 1951 is, I don't even know what it is, but it's not MLB and was made after he died. I know he never played MLB, so I was simply curious as to what his "MLB RC" is... if he was to have one. I guess that is the question I should have asked, what is Gibson's MLB rookie card.

 

[Jeff D]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

ahh 2006 topps sterling by chance game used bat

It's a piece of a seat from Forbes Field, not a game used bat. But I kept thinking about that card during this discussion too.

 

[flightposite]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

This thread is hilarious.

One could have titled it, can anyone convince me that I can get a Josh Gibson RC for less than a dollar?

I also love people that pose a question, then it's answered by quite a few reputable board members, but the guy asking the question, refutes it all because it does not support the answer he was looking for.

Thinking that a '93 card, or whatever, is Gibson's rookie is flat out stupid. I can add on to the litany of responses describing how you can't view vintage as you view modern, but it looks as though you have made up your mind to not listen to information contrary to what you want to hear already.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

This thread is hilarious.

One could have titled it, can anyone convince me that I can get a Josh Gibson RC for less than a dollar?

I also love people that pose a question, then it's answered by quite a few reputable board members, but the guy asking the question, refutes it all because it does not support the answer he was looking for.

Thinking that a '93 card, or whatever, is Gibson's rookie is flat out stupid. I can add on to the litany of responses describing how you can't view vintage as you view modern, but it looks as though you have made up your mind to not listen to information contrary to what you want to hear already.

You don't understand what I was getting at. I was looking for his first MLB card that would fall under the rookie card guidelines. Obviously he was never in the Majors, so his first MLB packed-out card would be a "joke" RC. But if you truly used the RC guidelines, WITHOUT the murkiness of pre-war vintage rookies, which would it be. There was no need for anger or confrontation in this thread.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

This thread is hilarious.

One could have titled it, can anyone convince me that I can get a Josh Gibson RC for less than a dollar?

I also love people that pose a question, then it's answered by quite a few reputable board members, but the guy asking the question, refutes it all because it does not support the answer he was looking for.

Thinking that a '93 card, or whatever, is Gibson's rookie is flat out stupid. I can add on to the litany of responses describing how you can't view vintage as you view modern, but it looks as though you have made up your mind to not listen to information contrary to what you want to hear already.

Actually, I think this thread made me dumber, just by reading it and trying to grasp the backwards thoughts. I would rather read posts by Miggy, Ian, and JO combined, than read this complete stupidity.

My brain hurts.

 

[IndyManning18]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

I agree, everyone has there own take. But looking at it through the eyes of a RC collector, I am simply curious. The 1931 post card is exactly that, a post card... not a baseball card. The 1951 is, I don't even know what it is, but it's not MLB and was made after he died. I know he never played MLB, so I was simply curious as to what his "MLB RC" is... if he was to have one. I guess that is the question I should have asked, what is Gibson's MLB rookie card.

To call the postcard from 1931 just a post card is ridiculous. It's a post card of a baseball player and there was an entire set made. Therefore, some might consider it a baseball card from a team set.

I don't consider cards of coaches RC's like the 1989 Pro Set cards you example. Beckett is run by a bunch of idiots who have no idea of card values let alone significance. I don't believe a RC has to be packed out because the all mighty Beckett morons say so.

Coach Tony Dungy had a card in 1979 Topps. It was a Steelers Team Leader card and there were three other players that graced the card. Beckett does not list that card as his RC, but it was the only card he was on in his career. It was a packed out card. That should be considered his RC. I consider it his RC no matter what Beckett thinks.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

This thread is hilarious.

One could have titled it, can anyone convince me that I can get a Josh Gibson RC for less than a dollar?

I also love people that pose a question, then it's answered by quite a few reputable board members, but the guy asking the question, refutes it all because it does not support the answer he was looking for.

Thinking that a '93 card, or whatever, is Gibson's rookie is flat out stupid. I can add on to the litany of responses describing how you can't view vintage as you view modern, but it looks as though you have made up your mind to not listen to information contrary to what you want to hear already.

Actually, I think this thread made me dumber, just by reading it and trying to grasp the backwards thoughts. I would rather read posts by Miggy, Ian, and JO combined, than read this complete stupidity.

My brain hurts.

blah blah blah

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

I agree, everyone has there own take. But looking at it through the eyes of a RC collector, I am simply curious. The 1931 post card is exactly that, a post card... not a baseball card. The 1951 is, I don't even know what it is, but it's not MLB and was made after he died. I know he never played MLB, so I was simply curious as to what his "MLB RC" is... if he was to have one. I guess that is the question I should have asked, what is Gibson's MLB rookie card.

To call the postcard from 1931 just a post card is ridiculous. It's a post card of a baseball player and there was an entire set made. Therefore, some might consider it a baseball card from a team set.

I don't consider cards of coaches RC's like the 1989 Pro Set cards you example. Beckett is run by a bunch of idiots who have no idea of card values let alone significance. I don't believe a RC has to be packed out because the all mighty Beckett morons say so.

Coach Tony Dungy had a card in 1979 Topps. It was a Steelers Team Leader card and there were three other players that graced the card. Beckett does not list that card as his RC, but it was the only card he was on in his career. It was a packed out card. That should be considered his RC. I consider it his RC no matter what Beckett thinks.

Well, I guess since you know so much MORE than Beckett, you should be the end-all in any rookie card discussion. If you are for anarchy of the sportscard market where everyone has varying opinions about everything without any kind of guidelines, then that would be a miserable hobby, IMO.

 

[IndyManning18]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

[youtube:1ydp6lfx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX161ulHrSA[/youtube:1ydp6lfx]

 

[scotty21690]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

This thread is hilarious.

One could have titled it, can anyone convince me that I can get a Josh Gibson RC for less than a dollar?

I also love people that pose a question, then it's answered by quite a few reputable board members, but the guy asking the question, refutes it all because it does not support the answer he was looking for.

Thinking that a '93 card, or whatever, is Gibson's rookie is flat out stupid. I can add on to the litany of responses describing how you can't view vintage as you view modern, but it looks as though you have made up your mind to not listen to information contrary to what you want to hear already.

You don't understand what I was getting at. I was looking for his first MLB card that would fall under the rookie card guidelines. Obviously he was never in the Majors, so his first MLB packed-out card would be a "joke" RC. But if you truly used the RC guidelines, WITHOUT the murkiness of pre-war vintage rookies, which would it be. There was no need for anger or confrontation in this thread.

The rookie card guidelines do not apply to prewar sets....


And what about Babe Ruth's RC card being his 33 Goudey?

 

[flightposite]

Re: What is Josh Gibson's true rookie card

I agree, everyone has there own take. But looking at it through the eyes of a RC collector, I am simply curious. The 1931 post card is exactly that, a post card... not a baseball card. The 1951 is, I don't even know what it is, but it's not MLB and was made after he died. I know he never played MLB, so I was simply curious as to what his "MLB RC" is... if he was to have one. I guess that is the question I should have asked, what is Gibson's MLB rookie card.

To call the postcard from 1931 just a post card is ridiculous. It's a post card of a baseball player and there was an entire set made. Therefore, some might consider it a baseball card from a team set.

I don't consider cards of coaches RC's like the 1989 Pro Set cards you example. Beckett is run by a bunch of idiots who have no idea of card values let alone significance. I don't believe a RC has to be packed out because the all mighty Beckett morons say so.

Coach Tony Dungy had a card in 1979 Topps. It was a Steelers Team Leader card and there were three other players that graced the card. Beckett does not list that card as his RC, but it was the only card he was on in his career. It was a packed out card. That should be considered his RC. I consider it his RC no matter what Beckett thinks.

Well, I guess since you know so much MORE than Beckett, you should be the end-all in any rookie card discussion. If you are for anarchy of the sportscard market where everyone has varying opinions about everything without any kind of guidelines, then that would be a miserable hobby, IMO.

Oh yeah, I forgot that Beckett ran the entire card industry.