I never said their innocent they get a lot of cards sent in from other people my point is until the investigation is over and all the evidence is out is when the truth will be out. They have sold altered cards yes but to have a guy to claim all these cards were owned by them, and altered by them or a third party is the question you can’t say is 100% with one person who could have a bias. There auctions will take a hit yes, do I plan to bid on any of their stuff probably not and if I do I will do with caution like everyone else.Guys, how can anyone read that PWCC thread - and others on BO - and still walk away saying "well I'm still not sure" or "the evidence isn't in"? Knowingly selling altered cards as un-altered is fraud, and the BO guys have shown conclusively that PWCC has repeatedly done this. And in doing so, they have received premiums on these sales that they would not have otherwise received.
About shilling, I agree that simply placing your max bid and letting it ride is a clean and simple way to approach auctions. But shill bidding is a crime, and I'm not OK being taken advantage of by shillers. Basically, it boils down to theft. If a seller outbids you on his own item, ultimately he has stolen something that would otherwise have been yours. And worse, if the seller outbids you but then retracts his bid at the last second, leaving you in the lurch to pay your max bid, he is trying to steal money from you that you would not have otherwise paid.
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