What would you rather face??

[matfanofold]

From a batters perspective, what would you rather face. A 98mph fastball with life like Dwight Goodens rising/tailing heat, or a lazer 102 MPH fastball like Ryan? Personally, I think I could time and hit a straight 102mph fastball better than a 98mph bean with life.

How bout you?

 

[scotty21690]

Figures....."Neither" is not an option... :lol:

 

[matfanofold]

Figures....."Neither" is not an option... :lol:

:lol:

It's an option, just not a listed one.

 

[Wes]

only positive here is at least both are right handed, even though theoretically traditionally righty righty is a pitchers advantage as far as fear I'd be way more scared of a lefty throwing 99 inside than a righty. AKA the Unit in his prime.

 

[bouwob]

to ryans advantage, he was somewhat wild throughout his career. That said he would much more likely to kill a batter than doc.

 

[aw00d05]

Hitting a straight pitch isn't that hard if you see it 35 times, you'll adventually get the timing, a pitch moving you have no idea where it'll end up and you just have to pray.

 

[Wes]

Hitting a straight pitch isn't that hard if you see it 35 times, you'll adventually get the timing, a pitch moving you have no idea where it'll end up and you just have to pray.

It might take me 35 times to even make contact at anything over 95 mph.

 

[mikekarlovec]

shoot i couldn't touch either one so it doesnt matter :lol:

 

[Adamsince1981]

Rising?

 

[aw00d05]

Hitting a straight pitch isn't that hard if you see it 35 times, you'll adventually get the timing, a pitch moving you have no idea where it'll end up and you just have to pray.

It might take me 35 times to even make contact at anything over 95 mph.

Not that bad really.

 

[imac220]

Nolan Ryan, because you can swing at where the ball is coming and maybe hit it. Gooden, a fastball at 98 with amazing movement. Good luck.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Unit in his prime, as said...or Rob Dibble.

 

[matfanofold]

Rising?

I see the questionmark, but not the question...?


If you mean, how did a fastball rise? Then I assure you, he did it!

 

[matfanofold]

Unit in his prime, as said...or Rob Dibble.

Yeah, I almost used the Unit instead of Ryan, but Johnsons Fastball actually tailed a bit so to avoid confusioon I went with the lazers Ryan threw.

 

[matfanofold]

shoot i couldn't touch either one so it doesnt matter :lol:

:lol: I hear that.

Although there was a time in my life I could hit a 100mph fastball, it surely has past.

 

[darocker80]

i'd rather face a zito change up!

 

[Adamsince1981]

Rising fastball
The rising fastball is an effect perceived by batters, but is known to be a baseball myth. Some batters claim to have seen a "rising" fastball, which starts as a normal fastball, but as it approaches the plate it rises several inches and gains a burst of speed. Tom Seaver and Dwight Gooden were often described as the paramount pitchers with this kind of ball action.

Such a pitch is known to be beyond the capabilities of pitchers due to the very high backspin that would be required to overcome gravity with the Magnus effect. While not physically impossible (conservation of momentum is maintained through imparting the required opposing momentum to air, as an airplane does at takeoff), it has never been demonstrated by a pitcher. It has been explained as an optical illusion. What is likely happening is that the pitcher first throws a fastball at one speed, and then, using an identical arm motion, throws another fastball at a higher speed. The higher speed fastball arrives faster and sinks less due to its high speed. The added back-spin from the higher speed further decreases the amount of sink. When the pitch is thrown, the batter expects a fastball at the same speed, yet it arrives more quickly and at a higher level. The batter perceives it as a fastball which has risen and increased in speed. A switch from a two-seam to a four-seam fastball can enhance this effect.

This perception may also created by a tall, hard-throwing pitcher who throws the ball from a higher release point on an elevated mound (the pitcher's rubber is ten inches above the field level). Factoring in the element of depth perception when the hitter watches the pitcher from sixty feet six inches away from the pitcher's mound, and the hitter perceives the pitcher's size and positioning on the mound to be less elevated than it actually is. Hence, to the hitter an overhand pitch will appear to be thrown at a hitter's shoulder level (or even belt level), as opposed to several inches above the hitter's head, from where the pitch is actually released from the pitcher's hand. This perception enhances the apparent "rising" motion of the fastball when the pitch passes the hitter at a higher level than where the hitter perceived the pitch to have left the pitcher's hand.

It is possible for a rising fastball to be thrown by a submarine pitcher because of the technique with which they throw the ball. Because they throw almost underhand with their knuckles near the dirt, the batter perceives the sensation of the ball going upward because of its low starting point and flight trajectory. This is not the traditional rising fastball batters believe they see. Left-hander Sid Fernandez was known for throwing a rising fastball from a slightly "submarine" motion.

 

[matfanofold]

Rising fastball
The rising fastball is an effect perceived by batters, but is known to be a baseball myth. Some batters claim to have seen a "rising" fastball, which starts as a normal fastball, but as it approaches the plate it rises several inches and gains a burst of speed. Tom Seaver and Dwight Gooden were often described as the paramount pitchers with this kind of ball action.

Such a pitch is known to be beyond the capabilities of pitchers due to the very high backspin that would be required to overcome gravity with the Magnus effect. While not physically impossible (conservation of momentum is maintained through imparting the required opposing momentum to air, as an airplane does at takeoff), it has never been demonstrated by a pitcher. It has been explained as an optical illusion. What is likely happening is that the pitcher first throws a fastball at one speed, and then, using an identical arm motion, throws another fastball at a higher speed. The higher speed fastball arrives faster and sinks less due to its high speed. The added back-spin from the higher speed further decreases the amount of sink. When the pitch is thrown, the batter expects a fastball at the same speed, yet it arrives more quickly and at a higher level. The batter perceives it as a fastball which has risen and increased in speed. A switch from a two-seam to a four-seam fastball can enhance this effect.

This perception may also created by a tall, hard-throwing pitcher who throws the ball from a higher release point on an elevated mound (the pitcher's rubber is ten inches above the field level). Factoring in the element of depth perception when the hitter watches the pitcher from sixty feet six inches away from the pitcher's mound, and the hitter perceives the pitcher's size and positioning on the mound to be less elevated than it actually is. Hence, to the hitter an overhand pitch will appear to be thrown at a hitter's shoulder level (or even belt level), as opposed to several inches above the hitter's head, from where the pitch is actually released from the pitcher's hand. This perception enhances the apparent "rising" motion of the fastball when the pitch passes the hitter at a higher level than where the hitter perceived the pitch to have left the pitcher's hand.

It is possible for a rising fastball to be thrown by a submarine pitcher because of the technique with which they throw the ball. Because they throw almost underhand with their knuckles near the dirt, the batter perceives the sensation of the ball going upward because of its low starting point and flight trajectory. This is not the traditional rising fastball batters believe they see. Left-hander Sid Fernandez was known for throwing a rising fastball from a slightly "submarine" motion.

How dare you for trying to interject logic in to a civil discussion!

However, considering the context of the topic, we are indeed talking perception and not actual physics. Also, when copy/pasting, it's usually proper etiquette to display as such.

 

[Adamsince1981]

Rising?

I see the questionmark, but not the question...?


If you mean, how did a fastball rise? Then I assure you, he did it!

Where was your explanation of perception here???

If you indeed meant that it was perceived then you could have easily said so here.

 

[Seiya]

I'd prefer the 102 pitch straight, just swing a little earlier and guess a spot.