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WHich current players can/will be HOFers (2000-present)
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aw00d05 said:
And they can all have career ending injuries on opening day.
I find it interesting to discuss actual stats and debate who merits the HOF.
But talking about 24 year olds that have had a few great seasons is a little bit much. At least wait until they can get on the ballot...
200lbhockeyplayer
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First off Raymond, it's good to see you here. You lay low a lot.Raymond said:
Second...you are dead-on correct.
Those of us "old" enough to remember Don Mattingly, Daryl Strawberry, Dwight Gooden, etc...all of those players were projected as HOF locks by silly discussions just like this one.
Service time and longevity are amazing stats.
200lbhockeyplayer said:
Donnie Baseball was the first name to pop into my head.
Yeah, I don't post much anymore. I lurk a little, but rarely find anything of interest anymore. Haven't collected in a few years (but no plans on selling what I have either).
Good to see the old-timers here...
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Sadly, "leading the pack" means nothing.aw00d05 said:
The Hall of Fame isn't about being a star and a great player, it's about being a top tier superstar for years. Baseball history is full of some huge former stars, all-stars and MVPs that will never sniff a HOF induction ceremony.
Legends stand the test of time...and we need that time to pass.
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These posts always seem to ruffle some feathers as some aren't willing to associate the hallowed Hall of Fame and the players that are in it, with the younger players of today.
Of course the OP's questions was simply a discussion that asked "which can/will be HOF'ers" and there are plenty of young players who "can" end up as HOFers, and there are a decent number who "will" end up in Hall (albeit not nearly as many as might be listed.)
One common thread that runs through the players listed is that almost every single one (Howard is the glaring exception) made the majors at a very young age. I am sure I am missing some players who could be on this list. Some (like Halladay) played a little before 2000. Others (Braun) have only played 2 seasons, and that's not enough in my book. Too many Ben Grieve's for me to even look at a 2 year player and spend time considering (though others may choose to.)
Obviously the 2 players who are closest are Albert Pujols and Ichiro Suzuki. While you need 10 seasons to make the Hall, I believe that once they fill that requirement they are locks. Both have been all-time great players for close to 10 years.
There are a decent number of players who have played since 2000 or so and have put up stats that would indicate they could very well wind up in Cooperstown. These guys are still a long way away, but getting there:
(Looking at these stats does give people some idea of how good some of the great pitchers were)
Johan Santana- 109-51 3.11 ERA. 2 Cy Young's. In my opinion should have 4 (think he should have won in 2005 and 2008.) Still needs another 100 wins or so, but his stretch of 3-4 years as the very best pitcher in baseball is one of the longest ever.
Roy Oswalt- 129-64 3.13 ERA. Most consistent pitcher in baseball since 2001, and never a top 2 Cy Young voting finisher, but has finished in the top 5, 5 times. Also needs 100 more wins or so, and seemed to be regressing until mid-last season.
CC Sabathia-117-73 3.66 ERA. Was a solid pitcher who started young for years, and then took it up a notch in the last couple. Now in NY where wins should be as ample as his girth. The number of innings he's thrown is scary, but his ERA has dropped for 5 years in a row (just noticed that, thanks baseball_reference)
Miguel Cabrera- He's just 26 this season, but his play to this point has been "historic good." .309-175-650 at this age is incredible, and that's after a "down" season last year and a really slow start. While he'll have to continue what he's doing for years, he has a chance to be an upper-tier HOFer when it's said and done, with incredible counting stats.
Mark Teixeira- .290-203-676 going into his 29 season. NY will provide a spotlight and a chance to hit in a big lineup. Personally I was always disappointed with his performance (could be my expectations were too high after his incredible 2005 which he never matched.) That said, he could wind up with 500 homers or so, plays a wicked 1st base, and in 6 seasons has put up HOF caliber counting stats.
The next guys I like discussing are the list of real youngster (3-4 seasons in the bigs) who have shown tremendous ability:
Chase Utley- The best in a long time at the position that has (IMO) seen the lease amount of offensive prowess. 4 rock-solid seasons in a row.
Ryan Howard- Strange case who began his career at 25, but came on like gangbusters. Has averaged over 50 homers in the last 3 seasons, and leads the majors in homers over that time by a long shot. His batting average has dropped each year over the last 2, but his career number is still a healthy .277. If he can revert back to a BA near that and hit for power like this, he'll make a strong case for himself, even if he only plays 13 years or so.
Hanley Ramirez- He's only played 3 seasons, (and his closest Comp is Nomar, so we can't get too far ahead of ourselves) but he's a special breed. .308 BA, a 30/30 season under his belt (as well as a 29/50 season.) Already one of the 2-3 best players in baseball already by his 25th birthday.
Jose Reyes- How people think this guy is overrated is beyond me. An incredible player with game-changing speed, a nice amount of power, and a great eye at the plate. Possibly the best leadoff hitter since Rickey. He'll be 26 this season and already has 290 steals to go with everything else he does. Watch him, there's no one more fun to watch.
Grady Sizemore-Took a big step forward last season, entering the realm of superstardom. Nearly went 35/35 with increased plate discipline. A doubles machine and while his BA is a bit low, I believe that the numbers are a tad flukey based on the type of hitter he is. Closest comp right now is Bonds, and he could easily be a 300/300 player when it's said and done, and maybe even more.
David Wright- Rock solid player, one who does everything extremely well, but does not put up the stats in one specific category so some overlook the fact he is one of the very best in baseball at a very young age. Just a hair away from the previous list IMO. (If anyone has his RC Auto's FT/FS please contact me
)
Of course the OP's questions was simply a discussion that asked "which can/will be HOF'ers" and there are plenty of young players who "can" end up as HOFers, and there are a decent number who "will" end up in Hall (albeit not nearly as many as might be listed.)
One common thread that runs through the players listed is that almost every single one (Howard is the glaring exception) made the majors at a very young age. I am sure I am missing some players who could be on this list. Some (like Halladay) played a little before 2000. Others (Braun) have only played 2 seasons, and that's not enough in my book. Too many Ben Grieve's for me to even look at a 2 year player and spend time considering (though others may choose to.)
Obviously the 2 players who are closest are Albert Pujols and Ichiro Suzuki. While you need 10 seasons to make the Hall, I believe that once they fill that requirement they are locks. Both have been all-time great players for close to 10 years.
There are a decent number of players who have played since 2000 or so and have put up stats that would indicate they could very well wind up in Cooperstown. These guys are still a long way away, but getting there:
(Looking at these stats does give people some idea of how good some of the great pitchers were)
Johan Santana- 109-51 3.11 ERA. 2 Cy Young's. In my opinion should have 4 (think he should have won in 2005 and 2008.) Still needs another 100 wins or so, but his stretch of 3-4 years as the very best pitcher in baseball is one of the longest ever.
Roy Oswalt- 129-64 3.13 ERA. Most consistent pitcher in baseball since 2001, and never a top 2 Cy Young voting finisher, but has finished in the top 5, 5 times. Also needs 100 more wins or so, and seemed to be regressing until mid-last season.
CC Sabathia-117-73 3.66 ERA. Was a solid pitcher who started young for years, and then took it up a notch in the last couple. Now in NY where wins should be as ample as his girth. The number of innings he's thrown is scary, but his ERA has dropped for 5 years in a row (just noticed that, thanks baseball_reference)
Miguel Cabrera- He's just 26 this season, but his play to this point has been "historic good." .309-175-650 at this age is incredible, and that's after a "down" season last year and a really slow start. While he'll have to continue what he's doing for years, he has a chance to be an upper-tier HOFer when it's said and done, with incredible counting stats.
Mark Teixeira- .290-203-676 going into his 29 season. NY will provide a spotlight and a chance to hit in a big lineup. Personally I was always disappointed with his performance (could be my expectations were too high after his incredible 2005 which he never matched.) That said, he could wind up with 500 homers or so, plays a wicked 1st base, and in 6 seasons has put up HOF caliber counting stats.
The next guys I like discussing are the list of real youngster (3-4 seasons in the bigs) who have shown tremendous ability:
Chase Utley- The best in a long time at the position that has (IMO) seen the lease amount of offensive prowess. 4 rock-solid seasons in a row.
Ryan Howard- Strange case who began his career at 25, but came on like gangbusters. Has averaged over 50 homers in the last 3 seasons, and leads the majors in homers over that time by a long shot. His batting average has dropped each year over the last 2, but his career number is still a healthy .277. If he can revert back to a BA near that and hit for power like this, he'll make a strong case for himself, even if he only plays 13 years or so.
Hanley Ramirez- He's only played 3 seasons, (and his closest Comp is Nomar, so we can't get too far ahead of ourselves) but he's a special breed. .308 BA, a 30/30 season under his belt (as well as a 29/50 season.) Already one of the 2-3 best players in baseball already by his 25th birthday.
Jose Reyes- How people think this guy is overrated is beyond me. An incredible player with game-changing speed, a nice amount of power, and a great eye at the plate. Possibly the best leadoff hitter since Rickey. He'll be 26 this season and already has 290 steals to go with everything else he does. Watch him, there's no one more fun to watch.
Grady Sizemore-Took a big step forward last season, entering the realm of superstardom. Nearly went 35/35 with increased plate discipline. A doubles machine and while his BA is a bit low, I believe that the numbers are a tad flukey based on the type of hitter he is. Closest comp right now is Bonds, and he could easily be a 300/300 player when it's said and done, and maybe even more.
David Wright- Rock solid player, one who does everything extremely well, but does not put up the stats in one specific category so some overlook the fact he is one of the very best in baseball at a very young age. Just a hair away from the previous list IMO. (If anyone has his RC Auto's FT/FS please contact me
)
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marterburn said:
vladdy? .320 career avg with 400 dingers and plenty of ribbies. add to that the fact that he is the only other player besides the iron horse to have 8 straight seasons of .300 25hr
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hofautos said:
Who have the exceptions been for? Just curious.
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I love a good HOF discussion, but don't understand the parameters of this one.
Have played sometime in the 2000-present period? Played all of it? Debuted in the period?
Or is the answer simply that miggycabrera is the OP?
Have played sometime in the 2000-present period? Played all of it? Debuted in the period?
Or is the answer simply that miggycabrera is the OP?
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I think if FCB ever has a Hall of Fame, Miggy will be on the first ballot. And the Second one.... and the third one....and the...
