Which Current Players Under 30 do you believe will be HOF'ers?

[LazerShow15]

Miggy 29 years old, now that makes me laugh.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Miggy 29 years old, now that makes me laugh.

You are a clown.

 

[chompsmcgee]

Andruw Jones was a shoo-in for the HOF at age 29. He had 342 HRs, 1023 RBIs, a war of 55.6, 9 straight Gold Gloves, and was arguably the best defensive CF of all time. And then he signed with the Dodgers, and batted .158 with 3 HRs and 14 RBIs in 75 games.

Donnie Baseball had an OPS+ of 144 with a WAR of 32.2 through age 28, including a batting title, an MVP award, and 5 straight Gold Gloves.

On the other end of the spectrum, Phil Niekro was just 31-27 for his career when he turned 30. He won 287 games after his 30th birthday (and had 2999 Ks).

Good info. Goes to show you can't just be great for 6-8 years. Nobody under 30 in the league is a "lock" to make it. To be a HOF you need great numbers until near the end of a long, successful career.

Or develop a killer knuckler in your 30s.

 

[Hollywood]

Not really sure what to take from the Hall of Fame statistics on Baseball Reference. Here's an example:

Justin Verlander

Black Ink 45, avg HOFer 40
Gray Ink 121, avg HOFer 185
Hall of Fame monitor 84, likely HOFer 100
Hall of Fame standards 28, avg HOFer 50

So what do I get from that? I don't know what the best one of those to use is, probably hof standards? Seems like he's really close to being in already. I know he's done some strange things that no one else has. Like only player in MLB history to win ROY, throw a no hitter, pitch in World Series and All Star game in first 2 seasons. Cabrera is killing it and demolishes Verlander in 3 of the 4 categories. Verlander has him beat in Black Ink. Braun has the next closest consistently great stats to Cabrera and he is nowhere near him in all 4 cats. Yet Braun has an MVP and Cabrera doesn't.

 

[leatherman]

To put into perspective about how good Andruw Jones was, just look at the company he keeps. Position players who had a WAR over 55 through age 29:

Rk             Player WAR/pos    G   AB    R    H  2B  3B  HR  RBI   BB   SO  SB   BA  OBP  SLG
1      Rogers Hornsby    84.3 1400 5271  984 1916 327 138 180  958  587  435 114 .363 .431 .580
2             Ty Cobb    83.3 1542 5795 1134 2136 332 159  57  975  597  458 652 .369 .433 .510
3       Mickey Mantle    81.7 1552 5519 1244 1700 241  66 374 1063 1129 1136 124 .308 .425 .579
4      Alex Rodriguez    78.3 1592 6195 1245 1901 338  25 429 1226  730 1265 226 .307 .385 .577
5           Babe Ruth    76.1 1100 3565  925 1251 270  83 284  889  881  599  72 .351 .482 .712
6             Mel Ott    71.7 1739 6148 1247 1939 336  61 342 1306 1035  516  60 .315 .417 .557
7       Albert Pujols    71.1 1399 5146 1071 1717 387  14 366 1112  811  570  61 .334 .427 .628
8          Hank Aaron    70.6 1511 5940 1077 1898 321  77 342 1121  541  609 103 .320 .375 .572
9         Jimmie Foxx    69.1 1561 5551 1216 1852 313  93 379 1345  985  859  71 .334 .435 .628
10      Eddie Collins    68.9 1323 4682  907 1562 193 111  19  603  677  313 453 .334 .423 .434
11       Tris Speaker    68.9 1358 5004  896 1722 324 125  43  681  608  270 332 .344 .422 .485
12        Ken Griffey    67.9 1535 5832 1063 1742 320  30 398 1152  747  984 167 .299 .380 .569
13        Willie Mays    65.7 1218 4669  884 1481 233  91 279  812  566  505 204 .317 .390 .585
14      Eddie Mathews    65.5 1482 5466 1032 1548 223  55 370  992  930  886  55 .283 .387 .547
15        Barry Bonds    64.3 1281 4514  890 1287 276  41 259  760  811  712 309 .285 .394 .537
16        Stan Musial    63.2 1218 4688  920 1624 343 115 174  815  652  235  49 .346 .429 .580
17         Lou Gehrig    63.0 1232 4542 1075 1558 321 113 267 1146  806  508  63 .343 .444 .640
18       Arky Vaughan    61.7 1411 5268  936 1709 291 116  84  764  778  227  86 .324 .415 .472
19       Ted Williams    61.6 1029 3655  932 1294 275  53 222  879  939  328  15 .354 .488 .640
20     Frank Robinson    60.5 1502 5527 1043 1673 318  50 324 1009  698  789 161 .303 .389 .554
21   Rickey Henderson    60.2 1322 4983 1058 1455 235  44 126  504  870  668 794 .292 .398 .433
22       Johnny Bench    57.6 1513 5554  824 1491 294  21 287 1038  655  941  55 .268 .343 .484
23          Al Kaline    57.2 1595 5979  958 1837 297  59 232  957  651  516  98 .307 .375 .493
24         Cal Ripken    55.6 1476 5655  871 1552 294  28 225  828  635  701  22 .274 .347 .456
25       Andruw Jones    55.6 1607 5836  962 1556 303  32 342 1023  647 1256 133 .267 .345 .505
Rk             Player WAR/pos    G   AB    R    H  2B  3B  HR  RBI   BB   SO  SB   BA  OBP  SLG

Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 7/13/2012.

 

[jbhofmann]

Lock? No.
Do I think? Yes.

Joey Votto...probably the best pure hitter in the game for the next 8-9 years.

 

[hofmichael]

I am surprised there hasn't been any mention of Felix Hernandez.

 

[jbhofmann]

I am surprised there hasn't been any mention of Felix Hernandez.

Signed,

Tim Lincecum

 

[UMich92]

I am surprised there hasn't been any mention of Felix Hernandez.

I think the most obvious name is Cabrera. I also think Braun, Fielder, and Cano will get in but Wright and Ramirez won't. In terms of pitchers, I think Verlander and King Felix will get in. Back to Cano for a second and his over 30 WAR prior to age 30. While I think he'll get in, compare that to Lou Whitaker's WAR before age 30 (37.3). Whitaker finished with a WAR of 71.4 and didn't even sniff the HOF on the BBWAA ballot.

I think Felix Hernandez gets in but lack of wins could hurt unless Seattle turns it around or he moves on via FA to a better team.

Mauer is an interesting case. If he continues to play the majority of his games at catcher and wins a few more batting titles and ends his career with close to 2500 hits and a 0.330 average I think he gets in. That to me is too many ifs. And if he switches positions, he better get close to 3000 hits.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Andruw Jones was a shoo-in for the HOF at age 29. He had 342 HRs, 1023 RBIs, a war of 55.6, 9 straight Gold Gloves, and was arguably the best defensive CF of all time. And then he signed with the Dodgers, and batted .158 with 3 HRs and 14 RBIs in 75 games.

Donnie Baseball had an OPS+ of 144 with a WAR of 32.2 through age 28, including a batting title, an MVP award, and 5 straight Gold Gloves.

On the other end of the spectrum, Phil Niekro was just 31-27 for his career when he turned 30. He won 287 games after his 30th birthday (and had 2999 Ks).

I think this is one of the things about being "older and wiser" than some of these boards. Not a slag in the slightest, but those of us who remember other eras of baseball vividly remember a ton of "locks" for the Hall of Fame and absolute stars...almost forgotten by the newer fans/collectors.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Ah, this thread made me think of an alternative thread along similar lines. Upcoming. Here it is; http://www.freedomcardboard.com/for...ined-to-be-HOFers-but-faded-away-in-their-30s

Oh, and Miguel Cabrera and Robinson Cano will be HOFers, no doubt about it.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Ah, this thread made me think of an alternative thread along similar lines. Upcoming. Here it is; http://www.freedomcardboard.com/for...ined-to-be-HOFers-but-faded-away-in-their-30s

Oh, and Miguel Cabrera and Robinson Cano will be HOFers, no doubt about it.

I had two MVP trophies before I turned 28. And before I turned 30 I had 235 HR. I was a HOF lock before I was 30.
Sincerely,
Dale Murphy

 

[Topnotchsy]

I think this is one of the things about being "older and wiser" than some of these boards. Not a slag in the slightest, but those of us who remember other eras of baseball vividly remember a ton of "locks" for the Hall of Fame and absolute stars...almost forgotten by the newer fans/collectors.

I'm not sure it's not more of a difference of interpretation of the question the OP asked. He asked who people thought would be a HOFer when it is all said and done, not whether any player was a lock. Certainly some players will fall off and not make it but The question was to make a prediction, nothing more.

(that said, I love all the history this thread is bringing up.)

 

[aluckypull]

I had two MVP trophies before I turned 28. And before I turned 30 I had 235 HR. I was a HOF lock before I was 30.
Sincerely,
Dale Murphy

He should be in the HOF

 

[sscards]

Brian McCann

 

[gt2590]

Jered Weaver has to do it for another 7 or 8 years, but with the New HOF standards for pitchers, he'll get in.

And it'll be interesting to see if any of the guys who started their careers as Closers make it long enough to get into Cooperstown.

Papelbon, Kimbrel, Storen, Chapman and guys like that but it would take a 10+ year perennial All-Star career...

 

[craiger122003]

Wow no Yadi Molina mention? One of the best defensive catchers ever and he is having increasing numbers offensively year after year.
McCann really? wow

 

[sportscardtheory]

Wow no Yadi Molina mention? One of the best defensive catchers ever and he is having increasing numbers offensively year after year.
McCann really? wow

Well he did just turn 30 today. lol

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

Bryce
Braun
Kemp
Prince
Hate to say it -D. Wright , prolly future 3k hits
Miggy
Cano
Verlander
Lincecum
Yadi - Stats dont show how insanely good he is and how he takes an opposing team scared to steal

 

[Crewfan82]

I personally don't think I can put guys like Harper and Trout on a list. HOF talent yes, but they have only played in the bigs a few months. Give me a few years of production.

I would say guys like Kemp, Braun, McCutchen, Cano are all projecting to end with HOF careers. Cutch may be a stretch, but he just keeps improving.