Which Team Will Win the Rights to Yu Darvish?

[beefycheddar]

1. Daisuke has not uscked. yes he has been a disappointment but has not sucked
2. Al reports he is much more talented then Daisuke

[quote="boomo":1vdaf499]why would anyone want to sign him after the daisuke debacle?
darvish is just another clown that will suck.

You're talking to a brick wall with him when it comes to this topic.

lol, well, im right 95 % of the time
based on money Daisuke got, and what
the sox paid to get him, it was one of the worst
overall deals in baseball history, and yu will be the same
thing. i wouldn't be surprised if he goes unclaimed

Dice being one of the worst deals in history completely removes any monies the Red Sox received from increased Japanese advertising and TV contracts. They had already made money on him when he stepped on the field. But if you want to just ignore that and yell biased opinions, that's cool.

Actually, there are published reports that show the Sox really didn't make much at all in terms of Japanese related advertising, and certainly nowhere near $100MM.[/quote:1vdaf499]

Can you get a source? I know that the japanese advertising in Ft Myers, and at Fenway was all brand new and remember reading an article at that time that Dice and Matsui were the two players who brought the most money in to their franchises due to Japanese TV contacts.

 

[phillyfan0417]

[quote="Huffamaniac":ru57n5j5]1. Daisuke has not uscked. yes he has been a disappointment but has not sucked
2. Al reports he is much more talented then Daisuke

[quote="boomo":ru57n5j5]why would anyone want to sign him after the daisuke debacle?
darvish is just another clown that will suck.

You're talking to a brick wall with him when it comes to this topic.

lol, well, im right 95 % of the time
based on money Daisuke got, and what
the sox paid to get him, it was one of the worst
overall deals in baseball history, and yu will be the same
thing. i wouldn't be surprised if he goes unclaimed

Dice being one of the worst deals in history completely removes any monies the Red Sox received from increased Japanese advertising and TV contracts. They had already made money on him when he stepped on the field. But if you want to just ignore that and yell biased opinions, that's cool.

Actually, there are published reports that show the Sox really didn't make much at all in terms of Japanese related advertising, and certainly nowhere near $100MM.[/quote:ru57n5j5]

Can you get a source? I know that the japanese advertising in Ft Myers, and at Fenway was all brand new and remember reading an article at that time that Dice and Matsui were the two players who brought the most money in to their franchises due to Japanese TV contacts.[/quote:ru57n5j5]



Advertising, merchandise, fan base and alot of factors go in to what the ROI would be.

 

[Jaypers]

I voted for the Nationals, fyi.

Just a hunch.

 

[phillyfan0417]

i'll be surprised if its anyone but the rangers. Seems like they are all-in on Darvish.

 

[braden]

[quote="Huffamaniac":1wqd52wh]1. Daisuke has not uscked. yes he has been a disappointment but has not sucked
2. Al reports he is much more talented then Daisuke

[quote="boomo":1wqd52wh]why would anyone want to sign him after the daisuke debacle?
darvish is just another clown that will suck.

You're talking to a brick wall with him when it comes to this topic.

lol, well, im right 95 % of the time
based on money Daisuke got, and what
the sox paid to get him, it was one of the worst
overall deals in baseball history, and yu will be the same
thing. i wouldn't be surprised if he goes unclaimed

Dice being one of the worst deals in history completely removes any monies the Red Sox received from increased Japanese advertising and TV contracts. They had already made money on him when he stepped on the field. But if you want to just ignore that and yell biased opinions, that's cool.

Actually, there are published reports that show the Sox really didn't make much at all in terms of Japanese related advertising, and certainly nowhere near $100MM.[/quote:1wqd52wh]

Can you get a source? I know that the japanese advertising in Ft Myers, and at Fenway was all brand new and remember reading an article at that time that Dice and Matsui were the two players who brought the most money in to their franchises due to Japanese TV contacts.[/quote:1wqd52wh]

I was just looking for it. I read it from a link on SOSH a while back so it may be tough to find.

In any event, it was from 2010 I believe and showed that revenues weren't as expected due in part to Daisuke's disappointment on the field as well as there being a limited amount of advertising at Fenway due to long term contracts w/ existing advertisers.

 

[beefycheddar]

[quote="Jaypers":2048pbst][quote="Huffamaniac":2048pbst]1. Daisuke has not uscked. yes he has been a disappointment but has not sucked
2. Al reports he is much more talented then Daisuke

[quote="boomo":2048pbst]why would anyone want to sign him after the daisuke debacle?
darvish is just another clown that will suck.

You're talking to a brick wall with him when it comes to this topic.

lol, well, im right 95 % of the time
based on money Daisuke got, and what
the sox paid to get him, it was one of the worst
overall deals in baseball history, and yu will be the same
thing. i wouldn't be surprised if he goes unclaimed

Dice being one of the worst deals in history completely removes any monies the Red Sox received from increased Japanese advertising and TV contracts. They had already made money on him when he stepped on the field. But if you want to just ignore that and yell biased opinions, that's cool.

Actually, there are published reports that show the Sox really didn't make much at all in terms of Japanese related advertising, and certainly nowhere near $100MM.[/quote:2048pbst]

Can you get a source? I know that the japanese advertising in Ft Myers, and at Fenway was all brand new and remember reading an article at that time that Dice and Matsui were the two players who brought the most money in to their franchises due to Japanese TV contacts.[/quote:2048pbst]



Advertising, merchandise, fan base and alot of factors go in to what the ROI would be.[/quote:2048pbst]

I was in the bleacher for Daisuke's first Fenway start against Seattle, and being a white kid, I was by far the minority compared to the Asians in the stands. They all had Red Sox gear they got at the game, and a lot of the people around me had travelled from Japan just to see the game.

That was money made by the Red Sox, the jersey sales goes league wide, but when they sell it themselves they are making the money as well as the league share.

 

[braden]

[quote="Jaypers":y0ou0zgj][quote="Huffamaniac":y0ou0zgj]1. Daisuke has not uscked. yes he has been a disappointment but has not sucked
2. Al reports he is much more talented then Daisuke

[quote="boomo":y0ou0zgj]why would anyone want to sign him after the daisuke debacle?
darvish is just another clown that will suck.

You're talking to a brick wall with him when it comes to this topic.

lol, well, im right 95 % of the time
based on money Daisuke got, and what
the sox paid to get him, it was one of the worst
overall deals in baseball history, and yu will be the same
thing. i wouldn't be surprised if he goes unclaimed

Dice being one of the worst deals in history completely removes any monies the Red Sox received from increased Japanese advertising and TV contracts. They had already made money on him when he stepped on the field. But if you want to just ignore that and yell biased opinions, that's cool.

Actually, there are published reports that show the Sox really didn't make much at all in terms of Japanese related advertising, and certainly nowhere near $100MM.[/quote:y0ou0zgj]

Can you get a source? I know that the japanese advertising in Ft Myers, and at Fenway was all brand new and remember reading an article at that time that Dice and Matsui were the two players who brought the most money in to their franchises due to Japanese TV contacts.[/quote:y0ou0zgj]



Advertising, merchandise, fan base and alot of factors go in to what the ROI would be.[/quote:y0ou0zgj]

Merchandise is virtually irrelevant. Any jersey/whatever sales go into the MLB pot and are divided among all 30 teams. It's something that comes up all the time ("OMG think of all the Pujols jerseys the Angels will sell!") but the actual revenue for the team is almost inconsequential.

 

[phillyfan0417]

[quote="boomo":12ru6agj][quote="Jaypers":12ru6agj][quote="Huffamaniac":12ru6agj]1. Daisuke has not uscked. yes he has been a disappointment but has not sucked
2. Al reports he is much more talented then Daisuke

[quote="boomo":12ru6agj]why would anyone want to sign him after the daisuke debacle?
darvish is just another clown that will suck.

You're talking to a brick wall with him when it comes to this topic.

lol, well, im right 95 % of the time
based on money Daisuke got, and what
the sox paid to get him, it was one of the worst
overall deals in baseball history, and yu will be the same
thing. i wouldn't be surprised if he goes unclaimed

Dice being one of the worst deals in history completely removes any monies the Red Sox received from increased Japanese advertising and TV contracts. They had already made money on him when he stepped on the field. But if you want to just ignore that and yell biased opinions, that's cool.

Actually, there are published reports that show the Sox really didn't make much at all in terms of Japanese related advertising, and certainly nowhere near $100MM.[/quote:12ru6agj]

Can you get a source? I know that the japanese advertising in Ft Myers, and at Fenway was all brand new and remember reading an article at that time that Dice and Matsui were the two players who brought the most money in to their franchises due to Japanese TV contacts.[/quote:12ru6agj]



Advertising, merchandise, fan base and alot of factors go in to what the ROI would be.[/quote:12ru6agj]

Merchandise is virtually irrelevant. Any jersey/whatever sales go into the MLB pot and are divided among all 30 teams. It's something that comes up all the time ("OMG think of all the Pujols jerseys the Angels will sell!") but the actual revenue for the team is almost inconsequential.[/quote:12ru6agj]



If you're saying it was a bad investment, I'd like to see the numbers behind it since I've always heard it was a good investment.

 

[braden]

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Some quotes:

"I know it hasn't been a financial windfall that some people had predicted, but I do think it was always a baseball decision," said Red Sox chief operating officer Sam Kennedy. "There was a lot of made of the business aspect. Did we open some doors in Japan? Yes. Was it a windfall? No."

The point is, despite Boras' claims, the Red Sox were never in line to use Matsuzaka as their cash cow when it came to siphoning new revenue from Japan. Part of the reason is because outside of the advertising and sponsorship deals cut to generate revenue inside Fenway Park and within the six New England states (except Yankees-controlled Fairfield County in Conn.), the Red Sox "mark" is controlled by the Major League Baseball.

In simple terms, any Red Sox item sold in Japan is broken up 30 ways, with all the other big league clubs making as much off of the sale as the Sox.

And when it comes to specific sponsorships, Japanese companies (with the exception of Funai) haven't, for the most part, been able to establish a presence with the Red Sox. The reason is that the Red Sox' "product areas" are already taken. Example: Asahi Beer -- which has long partnered with Matsuzaka -- didn't have a chance to find a niche at Fenway Park because of the Sox' existing relationship with Anheuser-Busch.

"We never expected a gigantic off the field economic opportunity. We thought it was more of a long-term presence in Japan. It was the agents, at the time, who were projecting the massive economic benefit flowing to the Red Sox, therefore we should spend even more." -- Red Sox president Larry Lucchino, reflecting on the effect of the Matsuzaka acquisition, Oct. 19, 2010.

 

[19braves77]

One team submitted a bid on Darvish.

 

[aarne13]

At least one team submitted a bid for Darvish. The team has until Tues to decide.

It looks like the Twins were out on the bidding.

 

[Jaypers]

One team submitted a bid on Darvish.

Maybe it was the Cubs.

According to the Trib's Phil Rogers, they put in a bid. Theo likes him.

 

[braden]

One team submitted a bid on Darvish.

Maybe it was the Cubs.

According to the Trib's Phil Rogers, they put in a bid. Theo likes him.

At least one team submitted a bid.

Red Sox, Twins and Orioles reportedly did not.

 

[Jaypers]

The Yankees have officially entered a bid, but Jon Heyman reports it as being "modest", whereas the highest bid was "sky-high".

 

[MallCopKJ]

I have a friend who saw the bids. The Toronto Blue Jays were the high bidder.

 

[braden]

I have a friend who saw the bids. The Toronto Blue Jays were the high bidder.

While the outcome wouldn't be a surprise, the teams themselves don't yet know who the high bidder was.

 

[drabek4]

I don't have a link but NBC was reporting that toronto, cubs, yankees and rangers were the only 4 teams to bid on him.

 

[aarne13]

Sounds like the Yankees put in a token bid. The Jays keep coming up as the potential winners. I would figure that the Cubs and the Mariners are in there too. <fingers and toes crossed>

 

[ChasHawk]

I'm biased toward the Cubs. Theo needs to start making his mark and building with young stars. Darvish fits the mark in both. It will be VERY disappointing if they don't bid... moderately disappointing if they bid less than $40 million. They have the money with so much having come off the payroll and not getting Pujols.

what do you think is really coming off the payroll?

 

[19braves77]

Actually when a team bids, the bid has to be higher then the bid already put in for it to even count.

So if the Yankees bid 20 million, then the Cubs bid 25 million . You wouldn't see the Yankees bid.

I hoping the Mariners won.