While we're throwing out Halladay deals, Sox?

[KC37]

I think the Red Sox would show interest only to drive up the price for other teams, and I don't think the Jays really want to deal within division if they can help it. But...

To start, Buchholz, Anderson, Bard, and one of the catchers?

 

[Jaypers]

shawn (Boston) Buchholz Bowden Anderson for Halladay

Jim Callis (2:05 PM) I think the Jays would take that deal, but I'm not sure the Red Sox would want to give up all three of those players in one deal.

 

[braden]

I think the Red Sox would show interest only to drive up the price for other teams, and I don't think the Jays really want to deal within division if they can help it. But...

To start, Buchholz, Anderson, Bard, and one of the catchers?

That's probably a good starting point, and definitely one of the only realistic deals I've seen suggested on here.

Buccholz would definitely interest the Jays. Anderson, while I'm not all that high on him, would move in with Cooper as a replacement for Overbay. Bard is definitely interesting and a catcher would be desirable in case the Jays, like me, aren't sold on Arencibia. I imagine the Jays would push for Bowden to replace Bard, though.

The LA Times had an article this morning theorizing on what the Angels would need to give up. Apparently they've been quite aggressive already. They came up with:

Weaver
Wood
one of Waldon/Reckling
one of Aybar/Kendrick
another prospect

It looks sexy but only Weaver, and possibly Kendrick excite me from that group.

 

[Jays_Cards]

The Sox will NOT give up that package for any player, never mind 1.5 years of Halladay. The way the current Sox team has been built is by developing young, homegrown talent and mixing a few key FAs in. With the way young players are currently valued and the Sox unwillingness to deal any of their big prospects, no way all 3 get sent in one deal.

 

[braden]

The Sox will NOT give up that package for any player, never mind 1.5 years of Halladay. The way the current Sox team has been built is by developing young, homegrown talent and mixing a few key FAs in. With the way young players are currently valued and the Sox unwillingness to deal any of their big prospects, no way all 3 get sent in one deal.

Why wouldn't the Sox then sign Halladay to an extension? And if they did lose him, they'd receive 2 first round picks in return.

 

[rymflaherty]

If i had to choose - I'd rather it was Bowden included in the talks rather than Buchholz (though as someone pointed out, they'd probably ask for both)

If there was potential for a deal I'd love it if they were able to get Masterson in there in place of Bowden or Buchholz....I really don't think he'll ever be anything better than average on the Red Sox roster and I really wouldn't mind if they had to give up Anderson if it was for someone like Halladay.

 

[Bosox3]

Ive heard this deal :

Buch/bowden/delcarman and Prospect.


Bard is the only not touchable player since they need him if pap walks.
Bard is the closer of the future and is said to be not going anywhere.

this deal would get done only if the sox can get a longer term deal in place before the trade.

 

[Jays_Cards]

The Sox will NOT give up that package for any player, never mind 1.5 years of Halladay. The way the current Sox team has been built is by developing young, homegrown talent and mixing a few key FAs in. With the way young players are currently valued and the Sox unwillingness to deal any of their big prospects, no way all 3 get sent in one deal.

Why wouldn't the Sox then sign Halladay to an extension? And if they did lose him, they'd receive 2 first round picks in return.

Actually 1 1st and 1 supplemental. Halladay is already 32 and would command a 4-5 year deal as a FA. Giving out a long term contract to an aging superstar is something the current Sox FO has shown to be in extreme opposition of. Also, trading 3 young, cost-controlled players not even close to arby that have exceptionally high ceilings is not something you see the Sox do very often.

 

[Wes]

I can't see Boston including Buchholz, Bowden and Lars. Lowell is just about done and Lars will be needed in the next two years. An argument could be made to treat Buchholz like the team treated Lester in the Santana talks. Is Buchholz Roy now? No, but in a year or two it's not outrageous to think they could be comparable in the same way that Lester and Johan are now.

 

[braden]

If you want to acquire Roy Halladay, you're going to have to give up guys you wouldn't otherwise want to.

 

[Jays_Cards]

If you want to acquire Roy Halladay, you're going to have to give up guys you wouldn't otherwise want to.

Which is exactly why I see a .01% chance that Red Sox acquire Halladay. I definitely do not see a deal between these two teams.

 

[trevordchi]

Why in the hell would the Red Sox trade for a pitcher? They have more pitching depth than anyone else in the league. This is just a stupid idea.

 

[caseumsd6]

This is what I could possibly see happening if the Sox get involved in the Halladay talks. The Phillies need a starter and have inquired about Brad Penny before. The Sox send Penny and a lower tiered prospect to Philly for Jason Donald. The Sox then send Donald, Buchholz, Bard, and maybe a Reddick or Kalish type in return for Halladay. The Sox will have to move Penny in any deal for Halladay because they already have too many pitchers in their rotation to begin with. This way the Sox keep their 1B of the future in Lars, and a starter in Bowden and the Jays get their SS of the future and a possible ace and closer in Buchholz and Bard. What does everyone think? Note: I am a Sox fan, and would rather have the Sox not trade for Halladay and trade for a bat instead.

 

[Wes]

This is what I could possibly see happening if the Sox get involved in the Halladay talks. The Phillies need a starter and have inquired about Brad Penny before. The Sox send Penny and a lower tiered prospect to Philly for Jason Donald. The Sox then send Donald, Buchholz, Bard, and maybe a Reddick or Kalish type in return for Halladay. The Sox will have to move Penny in any deal for Halladay because they already have too many pitchers in their rotation to begin with. This way the Sox keep their 1B of the future in Lars, and a starter in Bowden and the Jays get their SS of the future and a possible ace and closer in Buchholz and Bard. What does everyone think? Note: I am a Sox fan, and would rather have the Sox not trade for Halladay and trade for a bat instead.

I would do it in a heartbeat. Throwing Beckett, Lester and Halladay in a playoff series would be unbelievable.

 

[caseumsd6]

This is what I could possibly see happening if the Sox get involved in the Halladay talks. The Phillies need a starter and have inquired about Brad Penny before. The Sox send Penny and a lower tiered prospect to Philly for Jason Donald. The Sox then send Donald, Buchholz, Bard, and maybe a Reddick or Kalish type in return for Halladay. The Sox will have to move Penny in any deal for Halladay because they already have too many pitchers in their rotation to begin with. This way the Sox keep their 1B of the future in Lars, and a starter in Bowden and the Jays get their SS of the future and a possible ace and closer in Buchholz and Bard. What does everyone think? Note: I am a Sox fan, and would rather have the Sox not trade for Halladay and trade for a bat instead.

I would do it in a heartbeat. Throwing Beckett, Lester and Halladay in a playoff series would be unbelievable.

Does it sound like a fair trade, or was I completely off?

 

[trevordchi]

The Sox have needs and pitching is not one of them. If they are making deals at the deadline it will be for a C/SS/DH type, not a pitcher.

 

[Bosox3]

The Sox have needs and pitching is not one of them. If they are making deals at the deadline it will be for a C/SS/DH type, not a pitcher.

umm..what? If they get a chance to land a pitcher like this..they will do it. Why wouldnt they?

 

[bigpops65]

Ive heard this deal :

Buch/bowden/delcarman and Prospect.


Bard is the only not touchable player since they need him if pap walks.
Bard is the closer of the future and is said to be not going anywhere.

this deal would get done only if the sox can get a longer term deal in place before the trade.

Source?

 

[baseballguy350]

Why in the hell would the Red Sox trade for a pitcher? They have more pitching depth than anyone else in the league. This is just a stupid idea.

Why wouldn't they? Who would you rather have in your rotation?

Beckett, Lester, Wakefield, Penny, Smoltz/Dice K

-or-

Halladay, Lester, Beckett, Dice K, Smoltz/Penny



In a playoff series, the second option is quite possibly unstoppable in a playoff rotation.

 

[baseballguy350]

And let me add.... Callers on WEEI do not count as a source for any deal.