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No way. Also, Sheff won't get in because of the steroids and because the media doesn't like him
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No way. Also, Sheff won't get in because of the steroids and because the media doesn't like him
stangy24 said:
I on the other hand think he will be a first ballot. He is arguably the best catcher of his generation. The other name that would come up would be mike piazza. But when its all said in done, pudge will have better numbers in most offensive categories (mainly because he stayed in the game longer). He wont have the slugging or homeruns that piazza did, but still is a pretty good hitter for a catcher. He also is by far the best defensive catcher of his generation, if not all time.
Also on the talk of steroids, he was on a team where apparently everyone was taking steroids. Weather this makes it true or not, I have no idea. But that said, if pudge doesn't get in no one from the 90's, 2000's who have, or are believed to have taken steroids should get in. This includes manny, arod, bonds, clemens and 98% of the rest of baseball that played in these years.
Pudge on bottom, piazza top.
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ElToroloco
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The proper question is "Who are Active Future Hall of Famers?" It's to early to add anyone that is guilty of PED use. They'll all have to wait 15 years to see the fall out of it all. Anyone that is questionable, it's up in the air. Here is my list
Ken Griffey Jr.
Randy Johnson
Chipper Jones
Pedro Martinez
Mariano Rivera
Derek Jeter
Vlad
Ichiro
Albert Pujols
Ken Griffey Jr.
Randy Johnson
Chipper Jones
Pedro Martinez
Mariano Rivera
Derek Jeter
Vlad
Ichiro
Albert Pujols
mlbsalltimegreats
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Yes Vlad Will get in How could I forget ::facepalm:: .G $MONEY$ said:
As For Sheffield Mark my words He will get in! I may agree with you that not first ballot but I would not even be suprised if he did. Out of all the Current Members of the 500 Hr club Sheffield is 5th in terms of Strikeout to Walk ratio Behind Barry Bonds, Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, Mel Ott Then Sheffield telling me he was one of the best Long ball Contact hitters of all time. Now trust me I had not idea Sheff had some of the numbers he has until I looked and did some research. Thats going to be very hard to overlook! As for Ped he is no more suspect than Pudge (I think Pudge will get First ballot) and a lot of other players.
Jeff D said:
I think bagwell will be a first ballot hofer...jmo
he doesn't have any competition for class of 2011
obp of 408
those 1st basemen that were better than him are known steroid users
459 hr's but respected for quitting after just 15 years instead of hanging on to pile on numbers
besides steroids users and active players ranked 3rd or 4th best 1st baseman of all time.
entire career with one team
G $MONEY$ said:
not so sure on that, his career numbers arent yet there, imo. 407 HRs, 2200 hits, 1300 RBIs, .320 lifetime with the one AL MVP and zero World series rings is first ballot HOF?[/quote:5pwv2jwh]
YES, absolutely. he put those numbers up faster than most. 12 consecutive seasons of 25+hR and .300 (only other player to do that is Lou Gehrig)
doesn't have magic numbers, but one of the best hitters of his time.
Best bad-ball hitter that ever lived.
One of the most feared batters
Intentional Bases on Balls
1998 NL--13--6th
1999 NL--14--4th
2000 NL--23--1st
2001 NL--24--3rd
2002 NL--32--2nd
2003 NL--22--2nd
2004 AL--14--4th
2005 AL--26--1st
2006 AL--25--1st
2007 AL--28--1st
2008 AL--16--1st
FIRST BALLOT, not even a question
mlbsalltimegreats said:
well i personally hope Sheff gets in. Im a big fan and have even have a decent PC of his, i am just worried about his rep with the media and of course the PEDs. He did put up some awesome numbers, i can even remember him back in the 90s contending for the triple crown a few times
hofautos said:
YES, absolutely. he put those numbers up faster than most. 12 consecutive seasons of 25+hR and .300 (only other player to do that is Lou Gehrig)
doesn't have magic numbers, but one of the best hitters of his time.
FIRST BALLOT, not even a question[/quote:15nfkftv]
Hmmm, well i hope so as well. Big fan from his Montreal Expo years. Do most other people think this way about him and the HOF as well?
G $MONEY$ said:
YES, absolutely. he put those numbers up faster than most. 12 consecutive seasons of 25+hR and .300 (only other player to do that is Lou Gehrig)
doesn't have magic numbers, but one of the best hitters of his time.
FIRST BALLOT, not even a question[/quote:7s2z4og9]
Hmmm, well i hope so as well. Big fan from his Montreal Expo years. Do most other people think this way about him and the HOF as well?[/quote:7s2z4og9]
Most what people? Most people on FCBS or most statisticians?
Take a poll...I am always surprised...but I guarantee you VLAD is in 1st ballot and SHeff is NOT.
Sheff has the numbers, but Bonds will get in before he will...he is poison to his team too. He makes milton bradley look like a saint. He may have mellowed in his age, and hopefully he will work on improving his character, but both steroids and character issues will keep him out.
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G $MONEY$ said:
well i personally hope Sheff gets in. Im a big fan and have even have a decent PC of his, i am just worried about his rep with the media and of course the PEDs. He did put up some awesome numbers, i can even remember him back in the 90s contending for the triple crown a few times[/quote:1swbi1e0]
Yea I accually did not realize how good Sheff has been. I mean I grew up watching him and always thought he was a very good player but I would have never thought he would be where he is at (Numbers wise) right now. I dont know how much he will play in the next 2 years but if he get close to 150 hits a year he will be really close to 3000 hits. He been breaking down quite a bit the last 2 years so it highly unlikley he can reach that but then again who knows. As for the Ped yea that could hurt him a bit but also realize he is playing thru it. You would imagine that if he was ever comfronted with the Peds issue he would up and quit be here is is still playing at the age of 40.
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hofautos said:
Hmmm, well i hope so as well. Big fan from his Montreal Expo years. Do most other people think this way about him and the HOF as well?[/quote:25w2uuxk]
Most what people? Most people on FCBS or most statisticians?
Take a poll...I am always surprised...but I guarantee you VLAD is in 1st ballot and SHeff is NOT.
Sheff has the numbers, but Bonds will get in before he will...he is poison to his team too. He makes milton bradley look like a saint. He may have mellowed in his age, and hopefully he will work on improving his character, but both steroids and character issues will keep him out.[/quote:25w2uuxk]
The Problem is that Barry Bonds and Gary Sheffield are not in the same position. Bonds Holds records and is much more exposed than Sheffield. That Bolds Well for Gary in that People would rather see Bonds fry than Sheff. Plus Sheff is not Blacklisted like Bonds. I think it come down to the fact that Bonds and Sheffield are not on the same level which helps Sheffield skate underneith all the Bs. I guess we will see.
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G $MONEY$ said:
YES, absolutely. he put those numbers up faster than most. 12 consecutive seasons of 25+hR and .300 (only other player to do that is Lou Gehrig)
doesn't have magic numbers, but one of the best hitters of his time.
FIRST BALLOT, not even a question[/quote:1gqtxvyl]
Hmmm, well i hope so as well. Big fan from his Montreal Expo years. Do most other people think this way about him and the HOF as well?[/quote:1gqtxvyl]
Yea Leatherman came out with some stats a few weeks ago and in the Last 10 years Albert Pujols and Vlad Guerrero were the only 2 players in the last decade to be in the top 10 in Hr, RBi, BA, OPS, SLUG Ect ect. Basically Top 10 in every Major Statistical offensive category. Vlads no Pujols but to share a decade with him shows you what kind of player Vlad is. Vlad will bonce back next season. People have to realize that he was hurt for a while. He was one of the few Angels that showed up in the playoffs this year!
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Could Hunter get in with now receiving his 9th consecutive Gold Glove?
