Who is the best overall non-pitcher in baseball

[jbone17]

In Baseball he said not 2008. Jeter is one of the best overall players that the game has ever seen. Obviuosly Jeter has weared down a bit, but you can not see that Jeter is a joke for being on this list. BTW, my vote goes for Hanley.

 

[Mozzie22]

If you want to think Ozzie was overrated go ahead, I’m not married to the guy and I’m not going to cry like a Jeter fan about it. Jeter is “great” because of where he plays…Period. When he retires he will have fantastic numbers and then I will congratulate him for being great; until then he is a very good shortstop that is way over hyped.

If you don’t think he is overrated you need look no further than this survey, he is actually being considered in a “best player” survey? My God! Derek Jeter actually won the web gem of the year award a couple of years ago for the play where he was running towards the third base line. For those that didn’t see the 4 million replays, he catches the ball on a routine play and takes about four steps before heroically diving (needlessly) into the crowd. What a joke.

As far as Derek Jeter’s “intangibles,” like his clubhouse presence, please give me any example of his leadership capability. Anyone? The only clubhouse “leadership” I have ever seen is him leaving A-Rod out in the cold when he could have helped him. If you play for one team long enough you get named captain and when ESPN tells you that someone is the second coming long enough people start to believe it.

I just can't believe you can't at least put him in the top ten overall players... who would you put in his place?

The other nine and Chipper Jones. Listen, when Jeter retires i'm sure he will have earned much of the praise he now gets. The problem with Jeter is the media, they have already made him into some kind of legend and he simply is not. Would I want him on my team? Yes, I would want him on my team but he lives in this east coast bubble that....you know what, you are all right. From now on my prayers start: Our Derek Jeter, who art in heaven, hallowed...

 

[KOBEARODLT]

went with arod but was very tempted to say pujols..both are the best players in the game today.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

arod G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Career 2042 7860 1605 2404 428 26 553 1606 980 1641 283 67 .306 .389 .578 .967
Jeter
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Career 1985 8025 1467 2535 411 57 206 1002 813 1376 275 75 .316 .387 .458 .845
Don't tell me jeter isn't a great player too, stats speak for them selves. Beside who do you want in the Ws a choker or a Clutch Hitter? I'll let you deside!

who are you calling a choker in the "world series" i know it cant be Arod considering he has never had a chance in the WS.

 

[Dpanthers14]

arod G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Career 2042 7860 1605 2404 428 26 553 1606 980 1641 283 67 .306 .389 .578 .967
Jeter
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Career 1985 8025 1467 2535 411 57 206 1002 813 1376 275 75 .316 .387 .458 .845
Don't tell me jeter isn't a great player too, stats speak for them selves. Beside who do you want in the Ws a choker or a Clutch Hitter? I'll let you deside!

who are you calling a choker in the "world series" i know it cant be Arod considering he has never had a chance in the WS.

I was talking over all and pass experinces not that he has been.

 

[sportscardtheory]

The other nine and Chipper Jones. Listen, when Jeter retires i'm sure he will have earned much of the praise he now gets. The problem with Jeter is the media, they have already made him into some kind of legend and he simply is not. Would I want him on my team? Yes, I would want him on my team but he lives in this east coast bubble that....you know what, you are all right. From now on my prayers start: Our Derek Jeter, who art in heaven, hallowed...

It was a toss up between Jones and Jeter. I went with Jeter because Chipper's down-turn has been more sudden the last few years... he's always hurt and his production has dropped immensely. Jeter on the other hand, has had only one "bad" year, which was last year, but he is still one of the most consistent hitters today. I know Chipper won a batting title this year, but he was hurt for large portions of the year and his HR and RBI production is down over the last three seasons.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

The other nine and Chipper Jones. Listen, when Jeter retires i'm sure he will have earned much of the praise he now gets. The problem with Jeter is the media, they have already made him into some kind of legend and he simply is not. Would I want him on my team? Yes, I would want him on my team but he lives in this east coast bubble that....you know what, you are all right. From now on my prayers start: Our Derek Jeter, who art in heaven, hallowed...

It was a toss up between Jones and Jeter. I went with Jeter because Chipper's down-turn has been more sudden the last few years... he's always hurt and his production has dropped immensely. Jeter on the other hand, has had only one "bad" year, which was last year, but he is still one of the most consistent hitters today.

Chipper just won a batting title. He may have been hurt the past few years and has had fewer ABs, but one could say his on-field performance is better than ever.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

For what it's worth, I could see Joe Mauer garnering consideration for spot #10. He plays the most physically demanding position in the game (and plays it damn well), he has helped bring along a slew of young pitchers to become average to above-average major leaguers, and is a regular batting title contender. What he is to that team is invaluable.

 

[sportscardtheory]

The other nine and Chipper Jones. Listen, when Jeter retires i'm sure he will have earned much of the praise he now gets. The problem with Jeter is the media, they have already made him into some kind of legend and he simply is not. Would I want him on my team? Yes, I would want him on my team but he lives in this east coast bubble that....you know what, you are all right. From now on my prayers start: Our Derek Jeter, who art in heaven, hallowed...

It was a toss up between Jones and Jeter. I went with Jeter because Chipper's down-turn has been more sudden the last few years... he's always hurt and his production has dropped immensely. Jeter on the other hand, has had only one "bad" year, which was last year, but he is still one of the most consistent hitters today.

Chipper just won a batting title. He may have been hurt the past few years and has had fewer ABs, but one could say his on-field performance is better than ever.

If he would have played a full season, he might not have won the batting title. I rank Jeter over him because he stays healthy. His on-field performance is great, but he needs to stay on the field LONG enough to be considered one of the top ten in the entire game of baseball.

 

[nyc3]

You should know better than putting any yankees on this list here on this site. It will enrage all the blind hatred god forbid you add them to your list.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

I mean, is this a lifetime achievement thing we're looking for? Because in present day, no one is putting Vladimir Guerrero in their top 10 players. Career-wise, absolutely. I don't really understand the premise of your list I guess. A-Rod and Pujols are alone at the top, and they're in their primes. Half of the players on the poll are guys in their mid-30s.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I mean, is this a lifetime achievement thing we're looking for? Because in present day, no one is putting Vladimir Guerrero in their top 10 players. Career-wise, absolutely. I don't really understand the premise of your list I guess. A-Rod and Pujols are alone at the top, and they're in their primes. Half of the players on the poll are guys in their mid-30s.

Guys in their mid-thirties careers are over? That's strange, I was under the assumption that players were in their prime from 27-35. A-Rod is 33... and you consider him to be the best. Manny is the oldest on the list, so I guess he's out of the top ten? Ichiro is second, so he's out? And the rest are mostly under 30... so i don't get where you are coming from. If you can name better players than I listed, then by all means tell us who they are. My list is not an end-all, it's only my opinion and a conversation starter.

 

[stanthemanmusial]

To call Alex Rodriguez a better hitter or player over Pujols just shows how some folks don't truly understand the game of baseball. Pujols IS clearly the better hitter. The stats don't lie. The only thing that Alex Rodriguez has a slight advantage over Pujols is in the category of overall speed. But.....Pujols makes up for that with being an excellent base runner. Pujols is very smart on the base paths, and he even surprises me many times with just how quick he truly is(and I have watched every game of his MLB career). Many times, he takes that extra base when most players would not even think about it.

Just read this article about Pujols' base running skills:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=280505127

As previously mentioned in this thread, Pujols is the best hitter we have seen since Ted Williams. The best overall player in MLB is Albert Pujols.

 

[sportscardtheory]

I was surprised to not see ANY votes for Miguel Cabrera, he is on PACE to have better career stats than A-Rod... not saying he is the best or that he will ever be as good as Rodriguez, just surprised not one other person thinks he is.

 

[hive17]

I think Pujols is the best at this time; A-Rod may be in the top 5 all-time.

As for all the Jeter talk, I'll just say this: He is basically Robin Yount or George Brett + the noteriety of the Yankees. Brett and Yount both had those cute "intangibles" and what not, but besides a few differences (Jeter's average, Brett's XBHs, Yount's 2 MVPs) they are the same. So anywhere you want to rank Jeter on these "best ____ " lists, those two should be in a tied spot. Or, when ranking Jeter, ask yourself this: I'm saying this about Jeter, so I have to say the same thing about Brett and Yount.

 

[Uofo2212]

Arod over Pujols barely.....when it is said and done nobody will touch Arod's numbers....quite possibly ever.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

I voted Albert Pujols Hands down!!! and I dont need to even explain..

 

[predatorkj]

You guys crack me the hell up everytime.


Once again somebody voices their opinion Jeter does not belong on the list and you see a swarm of Jeter lovers come to the rescue.This is starting to be a reocurring theme.


Dude...Jeter is good.Lets just leave it at that.He is nowhere near the best player of today.

Only two choices are Pujols or A-Rod.There is no arguing that.End of freaking story.I chose Pujols because I think he is a better hitter than A-Rod and he performs well under pressure unlike A-Rod although I think A-Rod is superior defensively but I have always been of the thought that as long as your okay defensively your better than someone who is great defensively as long as you have a better bat.I believe Pujols would win that battle.Pujols is also nicer to fans from what I have seen and he also is contributing time and money to efforts and charities off the field.


As for Hanley...I see him entering this debate in the next 5 years.He is probably the safest bet out of the other young guys.

I also note that if Pujols had played as long as A-Rod by now...there would be no discussion since I believe he could trump even Alex's stats.But thats just a guess so I leave it at that...merely a guess.


And I am freaking tired of hearing about Jeter and his hitting.Ichiro is a better hitter and if he had started his career here he would easily trump Jeter.Whats bad is he may yet.I am willing to put money on it that says he ends up with more hits than Jeter.

As for Jeter's clubhouse presence...dude...the yankees is like a freaking miniature all star team.Anyone who even tries to claim they are a leader in the clubhouse is full of crap.There is no leader.He may have a C on his uniform but thats just nothing more than a letter as far as his leadership is concerned.He is highly touted as a leader by everyone but his clubhouse.Trust me...with as many egos as there are in the yankees clubhouse there is no way in hell anyone leads that team.Its a damn wonder the manager can keep those pri-modonnas under wraps.

 

[predatorkj]

Arod over Pujols barely.....when it is said and done nobody will touch Arod's numbers....quite possibly ever.

You do realize Pujols is younger than A-rod by five years and has been playing for a a good while less than A-Rod right?Just asking.

 

[predatorkj]

You should know better than putting any yankees on this list here on this site. It will enrage all the blind hatred god forbid you add them to your list.

Yeah but thats like me making a list of the fastest cars and having a geo metro thrown in with a ferrari and a saleen s7.You would be like wtf?

The point is...Jeter is a hell of a player but he does not belong in this discussion.Its not a hater thing either.I like Jeter.I believe he gets way more attention than he deserves but I understand the situation so I do not fault him for it.I think people take things personally when anyone mentions anything against him.Its like any time anything is said there is no thought on what was actually said but rather instant rage from any Jeter fan because they feel their player was sleighted in some way.

I like Jeff Bagwell but if you told me you thought he wasn't even one of the top 100 players ever in the game it wouldn't bother me.Because maybe he isn't.But to tell you the truth...I would not take it personally and I find it rather damn rude that Mozzie was called out for liking Ozzie Smith.That would be like me calling you out for liking Thurman Munson.Or someone calling the chavez collector out or the dale murphy collector or the grace collector out.Its a low blow and pretty damn sad. :|