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hofautos said:
I actually think Andruw has a chance, but that is providing he gets at bats and CAN turn it around. At only 32 years old and very capable of hitting 40-50HR. Thome or Delgado I both feel have better chance of getting near the Record than Pujols.

I dont see how you can think Jones has a chance but you're down on Pujols. He's 3 years older than Pujols and only has 47 more HRs than him. Lets not even start to talk about how quickly he has declined. He's 32 and is 400 HRs away. I'd actually be surprised if he gets to 500.

Thome is just too old. He's 38 and will need to average 50 HRs for the next 4 years to get there. Same thing with Delgado. He turns 37 in a few months and would need to average 50 HRs for the next 6 years.

While I'm aware of the LaPorta reply is a joke but he's a perfect example of how college players probably have no shot. He's already 24 and would have to 50 a year until he was 40 to have a shot.
 

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TonyButlerStopSuckin said:
hofautos said:
I actually think Andruw has a chance, but that is providing he gets at bats and CAN turn it around. At only 32 years old and very capable of hitting 40-50HR. Thome or Delgado I both feel have better chance of getting near the Record than Pujols.

I dont see how you can think Jones has a chance but you're down on Pujols. He's 3 years older than Pujols and only has 47 more HRs than him. Lets not even start to talk about how quickly he has declined. He's 32 and is 400 HRs away. I'd actually be surprised if he gets to 500.

Thome is just too old. He's 38 and will need to average 50 HRs for the next 4 years to get there. Same thing with Delgado. He turns 37 in a few months and would need to average 50 HRs for the next 6 years.

While I'm aware of the LaPorta reply is a joke but he's a perfect example of how college players probably have no shot. He's already 24 and would have to 50 a year until he was 40 to have a shot.

I agree with this.

The way I see it, Delgado isn't even in the question. He's about to be 37 this year, and even if he plays until he's 42, he's still gonna have to hit about 60 homeruns per year. Not gonna happen. And this is just my opinion, but I think he used PEDs. In 2000, he went from 39 homers to 57 all of a sudden...and then dropped back off into the 30s again. Yes, career years happen, but that's a pretty big jump when he's been a consistent 35ish homerun guy all his career....not tryin to start anything with that comment, just sayin it's a possibility.


Thome might have a chance, but it's a long shot. He's around 540-550 right now at age 38, and his numbers have slowly declined since his best year in 2002 when he smacked 52 homers. I think he might have had a legitimate shot at it if he hadn't missed most of 2005, as he probably would be very close to 600 right now. He still has to put up 40 homers a year for the next four years to be close, and I don't know if he has that type of production left in him. I could see him doing it if he sticks around as a DH until his mid 40s, but it's tough to do this and keep putting up big homerun totals. For the record, I think Thome is 100% clean.

Jones does not even belong in this conversation to be honest. He hasn't even made it to 400 homers yet, and I believe his best years are behind him. He's 32 and even if he plays 10 more years, he would have to put up better numbers in those ten than he was in his first 13. Not gonna happen.

Pujols will be right there if he keeps producing. He is only 29 this year, and already has 330 homers. I see him playing into his 40s because his bat will still be wanted by an AL team late in his career even if he gets worse on defense as he ages. I see him playing until at least age 42 (probably even longer), and if he does this, he will only need to hit an average of 33 homers per year.
 

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TonyButlerStopSuckin said:
hofautos said:
I actually think Andruw has a chance, but that is providing he gets at bats and CAN turn it around. At only 32 years old and very capable of hitting 40-50HR. Thome or Delgado I both feel have better chance of getting near the Record than Pujols.

I dont see how you can think Jones has a chance but you're down on Pujols. He's 3 years older than Pujols and only has 47 more HRs than him. Lets not even start to talk about how quickly he has declined. He's 32 and is 400 HRs away. I'd actually be surprised if he gets to 500.

Thome is just too old. He's 38 and will need to average 50 HRs for the next 4 years to get there. Same thing with Delgado. He turns 37 in a few months and would need to average 50 HRs for the next 6 years.

While I'm aware of the LaPorta reply is a joke but he's a perfect example of how college players probably have no shot. He's already 24 and would have to 50 a year until he was 40 to have a shot.

Two different sentences...one i was saying i think andruw has a chance, and then the 2nd sentence was that i thought delgado and thome have a better chance than pujols.
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
The way I see it, Delgado isn't even in the question. He's about to be 37 this year, and even if he plays until he's 42, he's still gonna have to hit about 60 homeruns per year. Not gonna happen. And this is just my opinion, but I think he used PEDs. In 2000, he went from 39 homers to 57 all of a sudden...and then dropped back off into the 30s again. Yes, career years happen, but that's a pretty big jump when he's been a consistent 35ish homerun guy all his career....not tryin to start anything with that comment, just sayin it's a possibility.

Where are you looking for your stats? Delgado's career high in homers is 44. He has also topped 40 three times in his career. There was no insane jump for him.
 

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TonyButlerStopSuckin said:
Thome is just too old. He's 38 and will need to average 50 HRs for the next 4 years to get there. Same thing with Delgado. He turns 37 in a few months and would need to average 50 HRs for the next 6 years.

If thome averages 35 for next 4 years, he will be sitting at 685 and just 77 from the record. I think the fans would be cheering him on and may be enough for him to push it, even if it took him a few more years to get those last 77.
I think this scenario is very feasible in comparison to Pujols hitting 11 consecutive seasons of 40+ HR. IMHO...
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
The way I see it, Delgado isn't even in the question. He's about to be 37 this year, and even if he plays until he's 42, he's still gonna have to hit about 60 homeruns per year. Not gonna happen. And this is just my opinion, but I think he used PEDs. In 2000, he went from 39 homers to 57 all of a sudden...and then dropped back off into the 30s again. Yes, career years happen, but that's a pretty big jump when he's been a consistent 35ish homerun guy all his career....not tryin to start anything with that comment, just sayin it's a possibility.

Where are you looking for your stats? Delgado's career high in homers is 44. He has also topped 40 three times in his career. There was no insane jump for him.

Ah nice catch, I was looking in the doubles column when I picked out the 57. Sounded kinda funny to me too but I went with it. In that case, maybe I retract my PED comment.
 

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hofautos said:
TonyButlerStopSuckin said:
Thome is just too old. He's 38 and will need to average 50 HRs for the next 4 years to get there. Same thing with Delgado. He turns 37 in a few months and would need to average 50 HRs for the next 6 years.

If thome averages 35 for next 4 years, he will be sitting at 685 and just 77 from the record. I think the fans would be cheering him on and may be enough for him to push it, even if it took him a few more years to get those last 77.
I think this scenario is very feasible in comparison to Pujols hitting 11 consecutive seasons of 40+ HR. IMHO...

The same thing would happen for Pujols. He will definitely be right around the record in ten years, so why would his situation be any different? If anything, I think he will stick around longer than a guy like Thome because Pujols has one of the best bats baseball has ever seen. He has never batted below .310 in his career thus far, and his lowest homerun total so far is 32 for any given year. Even if he declines in production, I think he will still put up huge numbers (.300, 30, 100) as a DH late in his career, and any team would take that kind of production, meaning that he will have teams lining up to sign him for years to come if he ever leaves St Louis.
 

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