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Superstras' injury
Peeps overpaid (+ probably paid by cc) + now are scrambling to recover some of their $
Way too many aus
Overproduction
Bad economy
Bad odds (no xs, much harder to pull parallels, esp. rc/rare parallels, than before)
Outside of 07 (omg, joba/timmy/dellin mania) bc, bc hasn't historically had the same ROI/insane case prices as say BCDP

Now I'm sitting + waiting for it to drop before busting cases in bulk
 

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brouthercard said:
Topps did this because they wanted to meet the demand that 2010 Bowman had.

I can't imagine they like seeing $250 retail prices on the secondary market for a $50 box.

They wanted to get a cut as well, and if STras never got injured and his chrome rookie was selling for $600 apiece, the prices would not have fallen.

Have to disagree. If Stas was at his peak, 9000-12000 cases is too many.
A little restraint would go a long way. Isnt the nature of a collectible for supply<demand (not =)?
BG
 

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Hey BG I just read about the Shoeless Joe cut in the next product!!
 

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Overproduction is the reason, plain and simple.

Stras autos fall 1:18 cases, from what someone else said-so it really doesn't have much to do with his injury. The reason prices are dropping is overproduction. Saw that someone said this is the HIGHEST print run of this stuff ever. That is pretty crazy.

I broke a case, and got 12 base autos-that is why this stuff will drop. Some have been lucky, but when you pull 12 base autos, something is wrong somewhere.
 

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Why would anyone be disappointed by this? The only way collectors lose here is if you bought in way early with presales and the fact that there won't be as much value coming out of the boxes. But if the boxes are very reasonably priced in the first place, you also don't lose as much if you get beat badly by the box.

The auto checklist is actually pretty strong even though it's big. This really isn't a bad thing, I'd much rather be able to buy boxes of a product which presents a chance to pull something nice for $50 or less per box than to not be able to buy 2010 Bowman because it's $300 per box.
 

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BTW, the main reason prices are so low on eBay right now is because there are 50+ auction style cases listed.
 

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ALL_THE_HYPE said:
Why would anyone be disappointed by this? The only way collectors lose here is if you bought in way early with presales and the fact that there won't be as much value coming out of the boxes. But if the boxes are very reasonably priced in the first place, you also don't lose as much if you get beat badly by the box.

The auto checklist is actually pretty strong even though it's big. This really isn't a bad thing, I'd much rather be able to buy boxes of a product which presents a chance to pull something nice for $50 or less per box than to not be able to buy 2010 Bowman because it's $300 per box.

Based off of recent ebay listings or the lack there of, NOBODY in their right mind is busting this stuff. Everyone suffers when wax sits on shelves.
 

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Leaf said:
brouthercard said:
Topps did this because they wanted to meet the demand that 2010 Bowman had.

I can't imagine they like seeing $250 retail prices on the secondary market for a $50 box.

They wanted to get a cut as well, and if STras never got injured and his chrome rookie was selling for $600 apiece, the prices would not have fallen.

Have to disagree. If Stas was at his peak, 9000-12000 cases is too many.
A little restraint would go a long way. Isnt the nature of a collectible for supply<demand (not =)?
BG

I would like to argue that the 9000-12,000 cases is NOT too many, especially with the unprecedented hype that we saw with Strasburg, especially in baseball.

They made around the same number of cases of 2001 sp authentic GOLF. Yes, golf cards. I estimated around 10,000 cases produced, and boxes went through the roof despite the relatively high production after a few years. And fortunately, you can still find sealed cases today. The production of BC will ensure that even five years later it can at least still be found, unlike bowman sterling boxes, but be in not enough supply to meet the demand. Sure, SPA did dip down to $60 a box, but it shortly regained momentum and is currently at around $140 a box, showing that the perceived high production can still be less than the demand eventually.
 

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brouthercard said:
I would like to argue that the 9000-12,000 cases is NOT too many, especially with the unprecedented hype that we saw with Strasburg, especially in baseball.

They made around the same number of cases of 2001 sp authentic GOLF. Yes, golf cards. I estimated around 10,000 cases produced, and boxes went through the roof despite the relatively high production after a few years. And fortunately, you can still find sealed cases today. The production of BC will ensure that even five years later it can at least still be found, unlike bowman sterling boxes, but be in not enough supply to meet the demand. Sure, SPA did dip down to $60 a box, but it shortly regained momentum and is currently at around $140 a box, showing that the perceived high production can still be less than the demand eventually.

2001 SP authentic golf was $30-$40 for YEARS because it was overproduced and incredibly watered down. it took about 7 years to dry up.

9000 cases of BC is too many because they are doubling the normal print run without adding any content. if they were adding a lot of value at the same time as they were increasing production it would be a different story, but they aren't.
 

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crowTrobot said:
brouthercard said:
I would like to argue that the 9000-12,000 cases is NOT too many, especially with the unprecedented hype that we saw with Strasburg, especially in baseball.

They made around the same number of cases of 2001 sp authentic GOLF. Yes, golf cards. I estimated around 10,000 cases produced, and boxes went through the roof despite the relatively high production after a few years. And fortunately, you can still find sealed cases today. The production of BC will ensure that even five years later it can at least still be found, unlike bowman sterling boxes, but be in not enough supply to meet the demand. Sure, SPA did dip down to $60 a box, but it shortly regained momentum and is currently at around $140 a box, showing that the perceived high production can still be less than the demand eventually.

2001 SP authentic golf was $30-$40 for YEARS because it was overproduced and incredibly watered down. it took about 7 years to dry up.

9000 cases of BC is too many because they are doubling the normal print run without adding any content. if they were adding a lot of value at the same time as they were increasing production it would be a different story, but they aren't.

SPA golf got as low as $60, not $30. I would have purchased every single case in existence if they ever got as low as $30.

9000 cases of bowman chrome would have kept boxes "affordable" had Stras not gotten injured, in the $60-$80 range.

If they only made 4500 cases and Stras did not get injured, the boxes would be well over $100 apiece.

I think everyone who is grumpy simply pre-bought too high, i'm glad they made a ton of it, cause it will be a fun crack even five, ten years down the line, especially if Stras becomes the next Lincecum or Halladay.

Wouldn't you have been happier had they made double the cases of 2003-4 topps chrome if you were a Lebron/Wade/Melo/Bosh fan? You can't even find a box nowadays for anything near affordable, and had they doubled the production back then, at least you could still find boxes to crack for under $100.
 

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coltsnsox07 said:
Hey BG I just read about the Shoeless Joe cut in the next product!!

I bet this cut was his wife, as Shoeless did not sign very many. It is widely known that his wife signed for him because he couldn't write. Just what my knowledge is on this.
 

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brouthercard said:
SPA golf got as low as $60, not $30


maybe at your LCS lol. it was available between $30-40 for several years in the early-mid 2000s. i bought several cases from blowout for $34/box.
 

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securedsports said:
coltsnsox07 said:
Hey BG I just read about the Shoeless Joe cut in the next product!!

I bet this cut was his wife, as Shoeless did not sign very many. It is widely known that his wife signed for him because he couldn't write. Just what my knowledge is on this.


Here is the sig before it was cut.

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cgilmo said:
securedsports said:
coltsnsox07 said:
Hey BG I just read about the Shoeless Joe cut in the next product!!

I bet this cut was his wife, as Shoeless did not sign very many. It is widely known that his wife signed for him because he couldn't write. Just what my knowledge is on this.


Here is the sig before it was cut.

IMG_0230.jpg

Now that looks to be legit, there are not many out there and this will be a great addition to the product. I bought one a few years back knowing it was his wifes signature, but still pretty cool to have, with the story to go along with it. For someone that iconic back in the day to have your wife sign autograph requests is pretty amazing.
 

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I remember them being at shows for $39 a box, and thought I should have bought as many as I could. Whoops!

crowTrobot said:
brouthercard said:
SPA golf got as low as $60, not $30


maybe at your LCS lol. it was available between $30-40 for several years in the early-mid 2000s. i bought several cases from blowout for $34/box.
 

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I don't believe SPA Golf is a good comparison to 2010 BC. In 2001, the only competition SPA had was UD, which was massively over produced. Also there were autos in SPA that could only be found in that product. BC is a lot different. There are other products out there to get a Stras auto and much better odds. The big kicker is that in BC, the auto is a redemption which expires in 3 yrs. So the price may rebound a bit, then crash after 3 yrs. If Stras comes back to top form, the reg Bowman product will be the marquee product. It's his first auto and has the best odds of getting one. TC will see a spike cuz there are live autos in the product, just cross your fingers it comes in good shape. Then BC will be the outcast with redemptions and auto's at 1/16 cases. What could save BC is if a prospect like Chapman makes it big. It's his first licensed auto that is live in packs and good odds to get one.
 

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