Why part of LBJ fans think LBJ is the same as MJ ?

[nbacardDOTnet]

Really curious..


Not here, but NBA and NBA Card community of my country ...

There are too many LBJ addicted guys.


They always say "LBJ will over MJ.."

The more ridiclous comment is "LBJ was over MJ".




I think that is non-sense..at least now.

I have not been MJ and LBJ fan both..

And I don't deny LBJ is one of the craziest guy in NBA History.

But he didn't get any achive like Final MVP or Champs yet.
(Of course, it is really possible he will but not yet..)

And LBJ has not been dominant like MJ.



I can't forget MJ's crazy activity only in his only sophomore season.
(1986 PO)

It was PO game and Opponent was Crazy Celtics.
(One of the best Team ever in history.
Dennis Johnson - Danny Ainge - Larry Bird - Kevin McHale and Robert Parish..-> Bench : not perfect but Bill Walton..kidding?lol)

He scored around 60..

Yes he lost but If I were not wrong, there was only Charles Oakley at Bulls.



Yes.. LBJ is H.S. Players...and MJ was from UNC.

SO It would be the same season his 4th season and MJ's 2nd season.


But even LBJ's 4th season was not like MJ.




MJs improved his team with nice players(like Pip, Grant, Armstrong and Cartwright) and over Crazy Bad Boys Pistons.
(Before that, he lost against Bad Boys..)

One of the most crazy game (IMO) was VS Blazers 1991 Final Game # 1.

Scoring gap was around 40 pts. Drexler, Porter and Cliff Robinson naerly gave up that game.



LBJ Addcited guys always CAVS is one-man team. there is no one to support LBJ. SO LBJ can't get anything. But that's not true.

Z-MAN, Mo-Will, Delonte ,Wally(not good but not bad) are less NBA level?
Rather part of them are very nice role player and bench...

And even if that is true, it would be worse.
Look back to Allen Iverson of 2001 Final. Then LBJ is worse than AI?




Not the same but similar crazy legend is Hakeem Olajuwon, IMO.

Olajuwon + Sampson won over Magic+ Jabbar but lost against Celtics.
(The same season of above MJ's match-up)



Another example is Magic Johnson.

When he was rookie, he went final(of course not all his effort.but with Jabbar) then he scored over 40 pts as Center Position and got Final MVP.

LBJ did like that? no..


How about Larry Legend.

IMO, Larry Legend is the greatest player of SF position in NBA history.
(not LBJ.)


The reason why 80,90's players are Greater than now a days, because of their opponent and league trend.

At that time, there were many rivaly and really many tough players there.

SO I think that is the reason why MJ is beyond level then 2000's.
(VS Magic, Bird and Zeke)





I tell you again. I don't deny LBJ will be improved more and more and become the craziest...I'm not hater.


The point is why LBJ addicted guys always insist LBJ is better than MJ, Larry Legend and Magic ? Even showing those(above) facts..


I have also seen Kobe addicted guys but that is only really really a few than LBJ addicted guys.
(They tell "Kobe is already over MJ". lol)


As my humble OP, there is 2 possibility.


1)They didn't watch any film of MJ or 1950 ~ 1990's

So they would not know about that.


2) LBJ card collector as LBJ addicted
(It means they don't think other legend except LBJ.
and LBJ is always right and the best.)

They think LBJ cards have to be skyrocketing because those are LBJ cards.

I saw a few funny guy(not here. but my country), Even LBJ EXQ rookie is too cheap so it has to be go more and more. and this is the time to buy those. lol

They think the league as card. For Example, 1980's and 1990's is just kidding. SO price of MJ rookie is like that. and post-2000(Not Millenium.lol Millenium - Duncan n SHAQ era) is real league..Old players is just kidding.
The reason why Chamberlain was scored 100 pts , that league was really poor not like now a days, LBJ, Melo, Wade and Bosh..
(Funnily they always up and up class of 2003. Actually, there is only a few crazy players(LBJ,Melo and Wade) in that class not whole class is great.)



How about you?



P.S. : Aim of This thread is not despising, bashing and find fault with something and someone. Just really really really curious.

Because LBJ Addicted guys tell always "what if" like Greg Oden addicted.

like " If LBJ has CP3 , LBJ would win 10 rings..." wow.. speechless.


I have never seen any SHAQ fans like this.
"SHAQ is already over Bill Russell"..I have never and never seen that.

But why only LBJ?


besides greg oden addicted guys " If Oden is really healthy, he is next partrick Ewing" lol => Yes he would be patrick Ewing JR. not NYK's Ewing, but Ewing's son..lol

 

[KandKCards]

It's really simple. The NBA has never seen a player like LeBron. There has never been a 6'9, 250lb guy as fast and him who can do as many impressive things on a basketball court as LBJ can.
And if you think MJ and Lebron's supporting casts are equal, then you have no idea what you're talking about. MJ played with multiple all stars and another future hall of famer. The best teammate of Lebron's career is Mo Williams, and this is his first year with Cleveland. Supporting casts aren't comparable.
Lebron is also an all around player. The best comparison to him, although they are much different sizes, is Oscar Robertson with more scoring. Oscar averaged a triple double over an entire season once. No one has really come close to that until Lebron. He will probably end up with WAY more triple doubles than anyone in history.
I know you said your post wasn't intended as hate, but it certainly sounds like you don't think Lebron is one of the best of all time. Assuming he continues at this pace (and there's no reason to believe otherwise, considering his age), he absolutely will be, and anyone who argues that is a fool.

 

[Card Magnet]

I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

 

[flightposite]

I've seen them both play and as blasphemous it is to say, I'd take Lebron. In a 1/1 match-up, I don't think even Jordan could stop Lebron.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

oh good god, im surrounded by a bunch of lebron fan AHHHHHH...and as for the lebron over MJ one on one........HAHAHA times 1 million, If lebron can ever learn to shoot a jumper like jordan than maybe but i dont think thats going to happen.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

 

[KandKCards]

I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

Those guys did nothing because they played most of their careers with MJ. They were all old by the time they were without him.
And as much as I hate Phil Jackson, don't discount the fact that MJ always had a successful coach while Lebron is stuck with Mike Brown.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

Those guys did nothing because they played most of their careers with MJ. They were all old by the time they were without him.
And as much as I hate Phil Jackson, don't discount the fact that MJ always had a successful coach while Lebron is stuck with Mike Brown.

sorry k and k but i have to agree with mlbsalltimegreats on this one, MJ is way way way way times a thousand better than lebron...not even close

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

Those guys did nothing because they played most of their careers with MJ. They were all old by the time they were without him.
And as much as I hate Phil Jackson, don't discount the fact that MJ always had a successful coach while Lebron is stuck with Mike Brown.

I can completly agree with you on that but the Bottom line is MJ is MJ and Lebron is Lebron and do not forget that We all are still comparing players to Micheal Jordan and Not Lebron James or anybody else for that matter. Lets see how Lebron handles himself and his team with the playoffs comming. It's going to be a sad day for Cleveland and Lebron Fan when my Celtics take them down again :twisted:

 

[KandKCards]

I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

Those guys did nothing because they played most of their careers with MJ. They were all old by the time they were without him.
And as much as I hate Phil Jackson, don't discount the fact that MJ always had a successful coach while Lebron is stuck with Mike Brown.

sorry k and k but i have to agree with mlbsalltimegreats on this one, MJ is way way way way times a thousand better than lebron...not even close

Let's measure their stats through the same amount of time.
Points: Jordan 14,016, Lebron 12927 (season not over)
Assists: Jordan 2565, Lebron 3147
Rebounds: Jordan 2694, Lebron 3298
And for the people who think Lebron can't shoot...3 pointers made:
Jordan 150, Lebron 635. Lebron already has 3 seasons with more 3 pointers made (113, 125 and 127) than Jordan's highest career year (111).

Look, I'm not saying Lebron is better. It's a silly argument because his career isn't even six years old. But to definitively say Jordan is better when the stats lean heavily towards Lebron when Lebron is still not even 25 is just silly.

 

[Card Magnet]

I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

Those guys did nothing because they played most of their careers with MJ. They were all old by the time they were without him.
And as much as I hate Phil Jackson, don't discount the fact that MJ always had a successful coach while Lebron is stuck with Mike Brown.

I can completly agree with you on that but the Bottom line is MJ is MJ and Lebron is Lebron and do not forget that We all are still comparing players to Micheal Jordan and Not Lebron James or anybody else for that matter. Lets see how Lebron handles himself and his team with the playoffs comming. It's going to be a sad day for Cleveland and Lebron Fan when my Celtics take them down again :twisted:

Of course we aren't saying somebody is the next LeBron, he's not close enough to the end of his career.

The prime of all of MJ's supporting cast was pretty much sucked dry before they left Chicago. This included the aged Rodman. It wasn't that they were scrubs without MJ, they were just at the end of their careers. I've also got to second the notion of MJ having Phil Jackson.

If you want to compare the life of players after the Bulls, how did MJ do with the Wizards? Not as good. Yes, it was mostly because of his age, but he also lost his supporting cast.

 

[Wehttam6]

[quote="Card Magnet":1hh2nyds]I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

Those guys did nothing because they played most of their careers with MJ. They were all old by the time they were without him.
And as much as I hate Phil Jackson, don't discount the fact that MJ always had a successful coach while Lebron is stuck with Mike Brown.

I can completly agree with you on that but the Bottom line is MJ is MJ and Lebron is Lebron and do not forget that We all are still comparing players to Micheal Jordan and Not Lebron James or anybody else for that matter. Lets see how Lebron handles himself and his team with the playoffs comming. It's going to be a sad day for Cleveland and Lebron Fan when my Celtics take them down again :twisted:

Of course we aren't saying somebody is the next LeBron, he's not close enough to the end of his career.

The prime of all of MJ's supporting cast was pretty much sucked dry before they left Chicago. This included the aged Rodman. It wasn't that they were scrubs without MJ, they were just at the end of their careers. I've also got to second the notion of MJ having Phil Jackson.

If you want to compare the life of players after the Bulls, how did MJ do with the Wizards? Not as good. Yes, it was mostly because of his age, but he also lost his supporting cast.[/quote:1hh2nyds]
I guess you haven't seen me ballin' it up.
I have nothing more to add to what others have said. I don't like comparing the two.

 

[nbacardDOTnet]

wow..too many participation..I didn't expect..=)

I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

Those guys did nothing because they played most of their careers with MJ. They were all old by the time they were without him.
And as much as I hate Phil Jackson, don't discount the fact that MJ always had a successful coach while Lebron is stuck with Mike Brown.

sorry k and k but i have to agree with mlbsalltimegreats on this one, MJ is way way way way times a thousand better than lebron...not even close

Let's measure their stats through the same amount of time.
Points: Jordan 14,016, Lebron 12927 (season not over)
Assists: Jordan 2565, Lebron 3147
Rebounds: Jordan 2694, Lebron 3298
And for the people who think Lebron can't shoot...3 pointers made:
Jordan 150, Lebron 635. Lebron already has 3 seasons with more 3 pointers made (113, 125 and 127) than Jordan's highest career year (111).

Look, I'm not saying Lebron is better. It's a silly argument because his career isn't even six years old. But to definitively say Jordan is better when the stats lean heavily towards Lebron when Lebron is still not even 25 is just silly.

IF you would not want to read whole post, go to watch below video. =)

First of all, the point I wanted to tell you guys is for dominant, impact, contribution to winning..

(If someone didn't understand like that, sorry for my poor English.)



I haven't compared LBJ with MJ as the same Position.


I haven't also compare LBJ with MJ whole career..that is unfair.=)

I don't know well about basketball but not like that..lol


I meant when LBJ's career season what MJ did do?

Rather LBJ would be compared with Larry Legend(position) and Magic Johnson(a bit Similar type not the same..).



This is not nostalgia..1st, I'm not 80's Generation, 2nd it has nothing to do with love or hate.


If certain player has to be a Super Legend, Even haters would be able to like or convince Him.
(I'm not a hater though..)


Frankly speaking, I was a MJ hater in my childhood.



That's simple because I liked Sir Charles..lol



But I could not help being convinced MJ was the craziest...



Of course, Poor Dan Majerle and KJ made 3 mistakes within last 1 min though..


Another example, I definitely convinced SHAQ is one of the greatest C(excatly one of five greatest center players).SO SHAQ is Super Legend. I have been a big ZO fan so I hated SHAQ






LBJ is HS Player so It would be fair to compare with MJ's 2nd and LBJ's 4th season.

1986 Playoff Game 2 Bulls Celtics (1st round?)

MJ scored over 50 pts against crazy Celtics

How about LBJ?

Swept by Spurs.
(That game was not Final but think about it. Opponent was crazy Celtics)


I don't deny LBJ might be improve more and more.
(Of course, he is already beast.)


But like below video VS Kobe, LBJ is not domiant yet.


Well . video talks all.

Look at below video,Please..

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[youtube:1j4pi8ng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFEOHStETNk[/youtube:1j4pi8ng]



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[youtube:1j4pi8ng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfrhKRyxduE[/youtube:1j4pi8ng]

[youtube:1j4pi8ng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_TVz694fIU[/youtube:1j4pi8ng][/center:1j4pi8ng]






and mlbsalltimegreats's comment is very nice summary. =)


Really right..we would have to watch this PO. =)

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

[quote="Card Magnet":tbbkex8b]I am one of the few who think MJ is a little over-hyped. I am ready for people to get mad at me now...

Give LeBron a Pippen, Kukoch, Rodman and other guys of that supporting caliber, and see what happens. I think the guys around Jordan made him better, but LeBron make the guys around him better.

:lol: :lol:
Now that was funny. Jordan is the reason why the players that played with him looked like super stars and became Hofers. With the exception of scotty pippen, who played well after the dismantling of the Bulls, all the other players that ever played beside Micheal became scrubs again, even Rodman. Some went to other teams and played Ok (Steve Kerr?), Some were out of the league (Jud Buschler, I may have spelled his last name wrong ) , and some went to play over sea's. Bottom line is none of these players did anything After the bulls era and were not even talked about which tells you how good Micheal Jordan made them. There really is no debate yet. First we had to go thru the whole Kobe thing and that has been proven wrong now we have to go thru the Lebron phase. Now lets keep in mind I am a lebron fan and I will agree that he has the best chance to be in the same class as Jordan or better that anyone the NBA or fans have tried to dubb the "Next Jordan".
Flight your a good guy but I will have to easily disagree with you as Micheal Jeffery Jordan would eat Lebron "King" James for breakfast :lol: . Not Contest!!!
There is no "Next Jordan" or anyone better than Jordan Yet so lets let Lebron do what he do and watch him play and in another 5 years lets have this comparison again. I could sit hear all day and give you stats, performances, and everything else about Jordan that as of right now would blow Lebron out of the water but I will end it with this. I am with you guy that he is on his way (Lebron) but certainly not now because it seems like everytime we try and compare or Dubb someone the next MJ we set them up for failure. I would love to see Lebron Go were MJ went as in my lifetime i could say I personally saw 2 of the greatest players to ever play the game live (as in right now) but Today Lebron is not as good as Jordan Yesterday, Now, Or ?.

Those guys did nothing because they played most of their careers with MJ. They were all old by the time they were without him.
And as much as I hate Phil Jackson, don't discount the fact that MJ always had a successful coach while Lebron is stuck with Mike Brown.

I can completly agree with you on that but the Bottom line is MJ is MJ and Lebron is Lebron and do not forget that We all are still comparing players to Micheal Jordan and Not Lebron James or anybody else for that matter. Lets see how Lebron handles himself and his team with the playoffs comming. It's going to be a sad day for Cleveland and Lebron Fan when my Celtics take them down again :twisted:

Of course we aren't saying somebody is the next LeBron, he's not close enough to the end of his career.

The prime of all of MJ's supporting cast was pretty much sucked dry before they left Chicago. This included the aged Rodman. It wasn't that they were scrubs without MJ, they were just at the end of their careers. I've also got to second the notion of MJ having Phil Jackson.

If you want to compare the life of players after the Bulls, how did MJ do with the Wizards? Not as good. Yes, it was mostly because of his age, but he also lost his supporting cast.[/quote:tbbkex8b]
These guys were not at the tail end of thier careers. If the Bull would have stayed together another 2 or 3 years they would have won another 2 title's and that is with his sucked up dry supporting cast. Try telling that to Bj Armstrong, Remeber him? Micheal being on the Bulls had nothing to do with Being MJ. The thing is he would have succeeded and won titles no matter were he went because of his will to win. Also refering to the original posters post he has stated that there are people claming that Lebron is just as good or better and if that really was the case then we would be comparing people to Lebron not MJ. As for the Wizards stint yes his team did not do very well but i believe he did the best out of any 39-40 year old to ever take over a team and if that's failing then I would still take that because look at the Wizards today :lol: . I rememeber he broke a few records at that age which is more than any other guard in the history of the Nba. Even when he failed he still won.

 

[Watt]

Since we're using videos now...

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[Tomlinson21RB]

That game 5 against the Pistons by Lebron was the single most dominating moment I can remember watching in sports. Sure, MJ put up big numbers but I don't ever remember feeling like he was the only one on the court for both teams.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

That game 5 against the Pistons by Lebron was the single most dominating moment I can remember watching in sports. Sure, MJ put up big numbers but I don't ever remember feeling like he was the only one on the court for both teams.

That game Lebron had was amazing and remember watching that but I watched the Bulls from day 1 that Micheal came into the league and he had many of those games. The one that sticks out the most was in the Finals against Portland where Micheal Jordan Took over like no one I have ever seen in Playoff Finals history. If you seen the game you saw one guy (Micheal Jordan) win an NBA Finals game in a single half :shock: . The game was literally over by half time. He took the life out of them for the whole game in one half of basketball, I think he even sat out most of the fourth quarter. Now that was one of the best if not the best performance in basketball history. Now with that said Micheal is done with basketball and Lebron has a ton left so lets see how many more spectacular games Lebron can have (Except against the Celtics ofcourse ).

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

That game 5 against the Pistons by Lebron was the single most dominating moment I can remember watching in sports. Sure, MJ put up big numbers but I don't ever remember feeling like he was the only one on the court for both teams.

That game Lebron had was amazing and remember watching that but I watched the bull from day 1 that Micheal came into the league and he had many of those games. The one that sticks out the most was in the Finals against Portland where Micheal Jordan Took over like no one I have ever seen in Playoff Finals history. If you seen the game you saw one guy (Micheal Jordan) win an NBA Finals game in a single half :shock: . The game was literally over by half time. He took the life out of them for the whole game in one half of basketball, I think he even sat out most of the fourth quarter. Now that was one of the best if not the best performance in basketball history. Now with that said Micheal is done with basketball and Lebron has a ton left so lets see how many more spectacular games Lebron can have (Except against the Celtics ofcourse ).

Yea, I didn't see that game/don't remember it. Born in 85 so my sports memory doesn't go back that far.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

That game 5 against the Pistons by Lebron was the single most dominating moment I can remember watching in sports. Sure, MJ put up big numbers but I don't ever remember feeling like he was the only one on the court for both teams.

That game Lebron had was amazing and remember watching that but I watched the Bulls from day 1 that Micheal came into the league and he had many of those games. The one that sticks out the most was in the Finals against Portland where Micheal Jordan Took over like no one I have ever seen in Playoff Finals history. If you seen the game you saw one guy (Micheal Jordan) win an NBA Finals game in a single half :shock: . The game was literally over by half time. He took the life out of them for the whole game in one half of basketball, I think he even sat out most of the fourth quarter. Now that was one of the best if not the best performance in basketball history. Now with that said Micheal is done with basketball and Lebron has a ton left so lets see how many more spectacular games Lebron can have (Except against the Celtics ofcourse ).

Yea, I didn't see that game/don't remember it. Born in 85 so my sports memory doesn't go back that far.

:lol: Your making me feel real old. If you have classic sport they put it on from time to time and if you ever come across the game you gotta check it out.

 

[nbacardDOTnet]

Since we're using videos now...

Thank you for sharing. but that video would not able to be compared with MJ's dominant.

Of course, LBJ has been crazy.

But the most important thing is his opponent , PO and Final.

The reason why I upload above games, that is one of the worst MJ game.
(and MJ's opponent is The Dream's Rockets...)

But even Worst Game, MJ was like that.


And for Kobe VS LBJ match-up. They couldn't match-up at Final yet.

Similar mlbsalltimegreats's comment, If you watch MJ game, you would not be able to compare with MJ at least now.


MJ's Opponent was too much.
Zeke + Dumars, Bird+Mchale, Sir Charles(he was 76ers as you know), Magic(final), Drexler(final),Miller+Smits(later), Ewing+Starks etc..and look at their name...most of them are HOF or super legend.

How about LBJ?

Only Kobe? and KG's Celtics and DH12(too weak than Legend Centers..very nice in this league though)'s Magic..and a few?

If you consider that, Rather LBJ would have to win most of game definitely. If not, it is buster.



Do you think LBJ would be able to break Bad boys if LBJ goes to post-1980's?

I don't think so. Even if Pip is there with LBJ, Pip would be useless. Badboys was crazy. not like now a days pistons.
(Of course, Pistons won Champ and great team until last season but they can't reach badboys.)


I don't think LBJ would be able to exceed 1986 Celtics and 1956 Celtics definitely.

Even Pippen and Grant will be given to him, he would not be able to win any game.
(You guys saw LBJ was swept by Spurs(final 4-0) already)



Before at least 5-6 winning champ, many people will think LBJ is not level of MJ.

But IMO, considering these days environment(KG and Duncan will retire within a few years..), LBJ will have to get 7-9 rings if he is real guy.



The craziest thing for MJ, MJ won't play roughly.

He played with his full passion every games.
(Of course, LBJ has done his best but can't reach MJ...I don't tell whole career MJ VS now LBJ. Same Season MJ VS LBJ)


At least like Drexler match-up, if LBJ scores 40+++ against Final Game # 1 against Kobe(If they matchup) and Lakers can't do anything, at least LBJ nearly would be or not MJ Level.



If you didn't watch whole MJ's game(especially PO and Final), you can't tell about MJ.


Over 40+++ at season is less meaningful.


I can't understand why LBJ addicted guys(they tells always LBJ is already over MJ) always say without watching any MJ crazy video...


SO if someone wants to know how MJ is the craziest, I would recommend below games.(I consider most of people don't have much time so only a few games..lol)

Below is from my memory so it would not be exact but roughly..

1986 Playoff Game # 2 Bulls @ Celtics

1990 PO CF any game Bulls VS Pistons

1990 Final Game # 2 Bulls VS Lakers MJ Vs Magic

1991 Final Game # 1 Bulls VS Blazers - MJ VS Glider

1992 Final Game # 6 Bulls @ Suns - MJ VS Sir Charles

1995 Final any game Bulls VS Sonics - MJ VS Shawn Kemp

I would not want to tell you watching Jazz Final because too famous and there is less tension for MJ.
(I felt MJ was more convinience than other final at Jazz Game. )


And to watch classic games, age is not important.

You can find most of famous(especailly MJ's) games in famous P2P.