With all the evil empire hatred

[nyyankeesfan.13722]

the reasons to hate this spending is it puts the market out of whack.

- you have the yankees and sox bidding players contracts way up forcing the other teams to pony up or miss out. this leaves the other teams strapped in pursuing other proven players. then 3 years in you see a fire sale and short ended prospect trades that only benefit the teams with the most money.

- it throws off the market for players on the downhill side of their career. take johnny damon... a great fielding small balling leadoff man who is past his prime. the contract the yankees offer is 4 years and too much .5 million. now you have other players whose stats are just below, equal, or greater than captain caveman earning well above their skill level.

- it provides the agent with a way to falsley inflate free agents values. the rumor of the yankees or sox or mets being involved adds instant value to their player. anyone think at the time of signing zito was worth 126mil? no inflation and false demand increase the perception of value.

i prefer the way the yankees spend money instead of how the royals do but i wish there was a way to evaluate the contracts without the bidding and inflating that goes on. it would be a cheaper game for the fans to watch and would level the field out for most teams. i still dont understand how the yankees can pay out these contracts but cannot afford to build their own stadium without public money... :?

Of course it is out of whack my point is they are playing by someone elses rules. I understand big market vs small market but that is why they have the luxury tax. I think that tax standards need to come down to give these other small market teams the extra funds to get some good signings/better scouting.

Why? Many of those teams don't spend that money anyway. Agaihn, complain about your team and what they are not doing. It will be so nice this year when the Yankees are not paying these teams the luxury tax. Then the stuff will hit the fan.

Dude I am one of the bigger yankee fans on these boards. Anyone can see the small market teams dont have the cash to do what the bigs do. It is certainly out of whack.

Basically it would be like me and a couple of other collectors buying up someting in particular ....lets just say a Griffey Upper Deck rookie...for ungodly amounts just because we can and nobody else could outbid us.So now we have overinflated a card worth a mere $40 to some astronomical amount and nobody else can afford one.Not to mention that paying these players this kind of money translates to increased prices in the stadium for seats.

This can only end badly.Sure the yankees could end up buying the farm on a few players if/when they break down but in the end...the fans are the ones who have to pay the price.

Wossa?

 

[notjomommasclint]

no one in their right mind would argue that damons contract was a solid investment. his skills are fading or have faded and he is still earning top dollar. i look a cc like a used truck. his heavy frame has had 2 owners in 7 years. the last owner drove the piss out of him and he is a 1 cold day from breaking down. you might get 2 or 3 seasons out of him but if you are caught holding the lease in 4yrs when it breaks down your inequity will cost you dearly. so you might cast this off as having a red sox bias but we cant talk about the sox cause they are throwing 400mil at slightly above average players with long drawn out contracts... yet!

wait i'm confused are you saying that CC and Tex are only slightly above average?

yes they will be slightly above average for the life of their contracts..

aj burnett has 13 or more wins 1x in his career. in 10 years he has started 215 games and only thrown 200+ innings 3x. i wouldnt want this guy in sox gear for even a season.

cc is a 300lb inning eating monster that has 400+ innings the last 2 years and a 207 inning average for his 8 year career. the numbers are great short term but no way his production can stay at this level for 6 years. i dont think his health will hold up past 2011.

tex is a great fielder and can rake when protected in the lineup but 22+ million a season for 8 years for a player who isnt even the top player at his position is ludacris. for that contract i would rather have howard, pujols, morneau, or fielder... i wanted the sox to get tex for 5-6 and 95-114mil. but i would rather have them go out and get joe crede and move mike lowell or j.d. drew and some minor leaguers for jake peavy. problem is we are paying j.d. drew way to much to move.

either way the team with the best players rarely wins the world series. so i feel sorry for them when they start to get boo'd after 4 or 5 bad games.

 

[predatorkj]

[quote="notjomommasclint":2w0old65]the reasons to hate this spending is it puts the market out of whack.

- you have the yankees and sox bidding players contracts way up forcing the other teams to pony up or miss out. this leaves the other teams strapped in pursuing other proven players. then 3 years in you see a fire sale and short ended prospect trades that only benefit the teams with the most money.

- it throws off the market for players on the downhill side of their career. take johnny damon... a great fielding small balling leadoff man who is past his prime. the contract the yankees offer is 4 years and too much .5 million. now you have other players whose stats are just below, equal, or greater than captain caveman earning well above their skill level.

- it provides the agent with a way to falsley inflate free agents values. the rumor of the yankees or sox or mets being involved adds instant value to their player. anyone think at the time of signing zito was worth 126mil? no inflation and false demand increase the perception of value.

i prefer the way the yankees spend money instead of how the royals do but i wish there was a way to evaluate the contracts without the bidding and inflating that goes on. it would be a cheaper game for the fans to watch and would level the field out for most teams. i still dont understand how the yankees can pay out these contracts but cannot afford to build their own stadium without public money... :?

Of course it is out of whack my point is they are playing by someone elses rules. I understand big market vs small market but that is why they have the luxury tax. I think that tax standards need to come down to give these other small market teams the extra funds to get some good signings/better scouting.

Why? Many of those teams don't spend that money anyway. Agaihn, complain about your team and what they are not doing. It will be so nice this year when the Yankees are not paying these teams the luxury tax. Then the stuff will hit the fan.

Dude I am one of the bigger yankee fans on these boards. Anyone can see the small market teams dont have the cash to do what the bigs do. It is certainly out of whack.

Basically it would be like me and a couple of other collectors buying up someting in particular ....lets just say a Griffey Upper Deck rookie...for ungodly amounts just because we can and nobody else could outbid us.So now we have overinflated a card worth a mere $40 to some astronomical amount and nobody else can afford one.Not to mention that paying these players this kind of money translates to increased prices in the stadium for seats.

This can only end badly.Sure the yankees could end up buying the farm on a few players if/when they break down but in the end...the fans are the ones who have to pay the price.

Wossa?[/quote:2w0old65]

Sort of.Imagine this...the only cards available are rookie cards and the best ones are superfractors.There are no other cards out there for anyone to collect.The only thing we can collect is the prospect cards.The best ones are all being purchased by one or a few people leaving the rest of us to buy nothing but junk.

Thats pretty much what the yankees and red sox can do.They can leave everybody in the dust.Sure Drayton McClane can ante up and get another star player but the problem is...thats about the most he could do.The astros are not worth as much as the yankees and never will be.They just can't.That said...they will never have the kind of money to spend.Thats the end of the story.

I don't think crying or whining about it will help anyone but I do think that they need to have a salary cap.Its ridiculous to pay those players that kind of money.I think that if the owners would stop paying that kind of money then the Union would be forced to renegotiate their contract with the teams.Trust me...I am all for unions but this has gotten to where the players have all of the upper hand and the teams have little.Its basically sink or swim and the yankees have a freaking jet boat while a lot of the other teams have rocks tied to their feet and are treading water to save their lives.

The economy is going badly and the yankees continue to spend in hopes that even though people are losing their jobs or taking a hit on wallstreet that they will still be able to afford all these high priced tickets.They need those high dollar ticket sales.Not the bleacher seats but the club boxes and the private suites and stuff to sell.

As for the salary floor...thats a decent idea but let me ask you...what will the owners do?They will pass the costs on to the fans who come to watch the game.Now...instead of paying a minimal price to go watch the pirates or Royals suck...you can pay a bigger price and watch them suck just the same.

Thats the whole reason I disagree with the yankees and their spending.Its not because I hate the yankees.I like the yankees a whole lot.I have no problem with the yanks or their players.But they are keeping a trend going that gets passed down to other clubs.Either pay ungodly amounts of money or you might as well call it quits.Sure the Rays and the Phillies went far this year.How many of those players will end up leaving after they become free agents?They'd have to be stupid not to if they could get a big chunk from a team like the yankees.This is a never ending pattern and its got to stop somewhere.

Besides...in about another 10 years...what do you think a player with the skills of A-Rod or Pujols will command?The way its going it will look like this: 8 years for $700,000,000 plus incentives.And every year the contracts will get bigger.

I also agree that its lends more of an ability for lower caliber players to command way more money than they are worth.And this is not good because eventually...anyone with any ability will cost an arm and a leg and it will be harder for teams to have good players unless they slip under the radar.

MLB is going to be in big trouble unless they get their acts together.And they are not doing a good job.

 

[promodeltodd]

Moves like claiming they didnt offer Teixeira a contract and that they were not one of the "mystery" teams interested in signing him, only to sign him 2 days later doesnt help. A simple, "no comment" would have helped. As a Red Sox fan, I hate the fact that players on the Yankees have said they would never play for the Red Sox and dont, but a snake like Johnny Damon leaves Boston for there.

This gets so old so fast. Oh no, they did something other than what they said. That has never happened in history. Oh no, Damon is such a snake because he went top go play for another team. To top it off, Yankee players said they would NEVER play for the RedSox. Really? No RedSox player(s) have never said the same thing about going to play in NY. Give it a rest. I am sure if the Red Sox hadn't won a ring yet, we would hear about that whinning too. If that is all you are upset about, then we are in a sad state these days.

 

[MallCopKJ]

Moves like claiming they didnt offer Teixeira a contract and that they were not one of the "mystery" teams interested in signing him, only to sign him 2 days later doesnt help. A simple, "no comment" would have helped. As a Red Sox fan, I hate the fact that players on the Yankees have said they would never play for the Red Sox and dont, but a snake like Johnny Damon leaves Boston for there.

This gets so old so fast. Oh no, they did something other than what they said. That has never happened in history. Oh no, Damon is such a snake because he went top go play for another team. To top it off, Yankee players said they would NEVER play for the RedSox. Really? No RedSox player(s) have never said the same thing about going to play in NY. Give it a rest. I am sure if the Red Sox hadn't won a ring yet, we would hear about that whinning too. If that is all you are upset about, then we are in a sad state these days.

Jes guy, took you 2 months to come up with that? Tell us how you really feel. My point is, why say anything if your just lying? Why do they find it necessary to let everyone in the baseball world know that your not interested at all in signing Teixeira and sign hin 2 days later? If you dont find it strange for someone to release a statement that is the exact opposite of said statement I dont know what is. Its not like anyone went to Steinbrenner and asked him if he was trying to sign Teixeira, he went out of his way to release that statement.

 

[HPC]

Im not one of those fair-weather fans!

I bitch about the Diamondbacks every chance I get!

 

[hive17]

Don't talk to me about teams not spending money. Brewers' owner Attanasio has increased payroll every year and made some move to get his team into the playoffs. He and his fellow members of the owners group understand that, with the thin margins of the smallest market, there is no room for error and that plugging any profit gained into payroll equals less money for them. That's a tough thing to do in business; but he's done it.

But tell me, do depleting profits mean Milwaukee all of a sudden has $20+ million to spend on one guy, let alone 3-5?

Here's a controversial arguement:

The increased contracts to players (especially ones that may not be worth it) has over-inflated their worth. All this has done is given the MLBPA more and more of a mission statement--"get as much money for each and every one of our guys as we possibly can." Teams like the Yankess and Red Sox have consistantly been the place to go to get that money. This has made the player's union more and more pig-headed and powerful. This has also made the agents the same way. One could easily argue that it has been the player's union's protection of PED users that has lead to the problems we have today. People like to blame Selig, but the culpability rests at the feet of the MLBPA protecting these cheaters just as much as Selig doing nothing.

Just some food for thought...

 

[predatorkj]

Don't talk to me about teams not spending money. Brewers' owner Attanasio has increased payroll every year and made some move to get his team into the playoffs. He and his fellow members of the owners group understand that, with the thin margins of the smallest market, there is no room for error and that plugging any profit gained into payroll equals less money for them. That's a tough thing to do in business; but he's done it.

But tell me, do depleting profits mean Milwaukee all of a sudden has $20+ million to spend on one guy, let alone 3-5?

Here's a controversial arguement:

The increased contracts to players (especially ones that may not be worth it) has over-inflated their worth. All this has done is given the MLBPA more and more of a mission statement--"get as much money for each and every one of our guys as we possibly can." Teams like the Yankess and Red Sox have consistantly been the place to go to get that money. This has made the player's union more and more pig-headed and powerful. This has also made the agents the same way. One could easily argue that it has been the player's union's protection of PED users that has lead to the problems we have today. People like to blame Selig, but the culpability rests at the feet of the MLBPA protecting these cheaters just as much as Selig doing nothing.

Just some food for thought...

Well...I agree with you but I think I made a pretty good point on my last post on page three and once again...nobody responded to it.If I had a nickel for every time I was the last person to post in a thread I'd be a millionaire in about 2 days.Either my points are that good or people just ignore me.For some reason...I think its the latter but whatever.

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

Remember when Yankees fans embraced being the bad guys? When they would respond with "26 world series" or "1918." Is the "why us?" a factor of losing or is the embracing the hate/jealousy a factor of winning?

 

[hive17]

Don't talk to me about teams not spending money. Brewers' owner Attanasio has increased payroll every year and made some move to get his team into the playoffs. He and his fellow members of the owners group understand that, with the thin margins of the smallest market, there is no room for error and that plugging any profit gained into payroll equals less money for them. That's a tough thing to do in business; but he's done it.

But tell me, do depleting profits mean Milwaukee all of a sudden has $20+ million to spend on one guy, let alone 3-5?

Here's a controversial arguement:

The increased contracts to players (especially ones that may not be worth it) has over-inflated their worth. All this has done is given the MLBPA more and more of a mission statement--"get as much money for each and every one of our guys as we possibly can." Teams like the Yankess and Red Sox have consistantly been the place to go to get that money. This has made the player's union more and more pig-headed and powerful. This has also made the agents the same way. One could easily argue that it has been the player's union's protection of PED users that has lead to the problems we have today. People like to blame Selig, but the culpability rests at the feet of the MLBPA protecting these cheaters just as much as Selig doing nothing.

Just some food for thought...

Well...I agree with you but I think I made a pretty good point on my last post on page three and once again...nobody responded to it.If I had a nickel for every time I was the last person to post in a thread I'd be a millionaire in about 2 days.Either my points are that good or people just ignore me.For some reason...I think its the latter but whatever.

Lots of good points in your post pred. You deserve a little props there Your point about the waters rising and the Yankess and Red Sox having a boat is a good point.

And the point about the type of fan that they are trying to attract. Yankee Stadium 4.0 or whatever CAN/WILL have their $100+/seat areas filled without question. there are just THAT many people with that kind of money in NY. It is simply not the case in Milwaukee, KC or Pitt.

 

[predatorkj]

Don't talk to me about teams not spending money. Brewers' owner Attanasio has increased payroll every year and made some move to get his team into the playoffs. He and his fellow members of the owners group understand that, with the thin margins of the smallest market, there is no room for error and that plugging any profit gained into payroll equals less money for them. That's a tough thing to do in business; but he's done it.

But tell me, do depleting profits mean Milwaukee all of a sudden has $20+ million to spend on one guy, let alone 3-5?

Here's a controversial arguement:

The increased contracts to players (especially ones that may not be worth it) has over-inflated their worth. All this has done is given the MLBPA more and more of a mission statement--"get as much money for each and every one of our guys as we possibly can." Teams like the Yankess and Red Sox have consistantly been the place to go to get that money. This has made the player's union more and more pig-headed and powerful. This has also made the agents the same way. One could easily argue that it has been the player's union's protection of PED users that has lead to the problems we have today. People like to blame Selig, but the culpability rests at the feet of the MLBPA protecting these cheaters just as much as Selig doing nothing.

Just some food for thought...

Well...I agree with you but I think I made a pretty good point on my last post on page three and once again...nobody responded to it.If I had a nickel for every time I was the last person to post in a thread I'd be a millionaire in about 2 days.Either my points are that good or people just ignore me.For some reason...I think its the latter but whatever.

Lots of good points in your post pred. You deserve a little props there Your point about the waters rising and the Yankess and Red Sox having a boat is a good point.

And the point about the type of fan that they are trying to attract. Yankee Stadium 4.0 or whatever CAN/WILL have their $100+/seat areas filled without question. there are just THAT many people with that kind of money in NY. It is simply not the case in Milwaukee, KC or Pitt.

I wasn't trying to toot my own horn or anything and I appreciate the props but for me...its one of those times I'd rather be wrong than right.Know what I mean?

 

[promodeltodd]

Moves like claiming they didnt offer Teixeira a contract and that they were not one of the "mystery" teams interested in signing him, only to sign him 2 days later doesnt help. A simple, "no comment" would have helped. As a Red Sox fan, I hate the fact that players on the Yankees have said they would never play for the Red Sox and dont, but a snake like Johnny Damon leaves Boston for there.

This gets so old so fast. Oh no, they did something other than what they said. That has never happened in history. Oh no, Damon is such a snake because he went top go play for another team. To top it off, Yankee players said they would NEVER play for the RedSox. Really? No RedSox player(s) have never said the same thing about going to play in NY. Give it a rest. I am sure if the Red Sox hadn't won a ring yet, we would hear about that whinning too. If that is all you are upset about, then we are in a sad state these days.

Jes guy, took you 2 months to come up with that? Tell us how you really feel. My point is, why say anything if your just lying? Why do they find it necessary to let everyone in the baseball world know that your not interested at all in signing Teixeira and sign hin 2 days later? If you dont find it strange for someone to release a statement that is the exact opposite of said statement I dont know what is. Its not like anyone went to Steinbrenner and asked him if he was trying to sign Teixeira, he went out of his way to release that statement.

Actually, I only read the first page and did not even realize it was a resurrected thread that I have already posted in a couple times. The point is you are bringing up points that are ridiculous. Why not try to hide a major move you are trying to make. Why is that a big deal. I didn't know there were rules to pursuing and acquiring players.
I am not sure why I bother with people like you, you have your mind made up. You are entitled to that.

 

[MallCopKJ]

Moves like claiming they didnt offer Teixeira a contract and that they were not one of the "mystery" teams interested in signing him, only to sign him 2 days later doesnt help. A simple, "no comment" would have helped. As a Red Sox fan, I hate the fact that players on the Yankees have said they would never play for the Red Sox and dont, but a snake like Johnny Damon leaves Boston for there.

This gets so old so fast. Oh no, they did something other than what they said. That has never happened in history. Oh no, Damon is such a snake because he went top go play for another team. To top it off, Yankee players said they would NEVER play for the RedSox. Really? No RedSox player(s) have never said the same thing about going to play in NY. Give it a rest. I am sure if the Red Sox hadn't won a ring yet, we would hear about that whinning too. If that is all you are upset about, then we are in a sad state these days.

Jes guy, took you 2 months to come up with that? Tell us how you really feel. My point is, why say anything if your just lying? Why do they find it necessary to let everyone in the baseball world know that your not interested at all in signing Teixeira and sign hin 2 days later? If you dont find it strange for someone to release a statement that is the exact opposite of said statement I dont know what is. Its not like anyone went to Steinbrenner and asked him if he was trying to sign Teixeira, he went out of his way to release that statement.

Actually, I only read the first page and did not even realize it was a resurrected thread that I have already posted in a couple times. The point is you are bringing up points that are ridiculous. Why not try to hide a major move you are trying to make. Why is that a big deal. I didn't know there were rules to pursuing and acquiring players.
I am not sure why I bother with people like you, you have your mind made up. You are entitled to that.

People like me? :lol: Ok man. I guess Ill stop caring about baseball because I wouldnt want to be one of those "people". Hopefully the half billion dollars the Yankees spent this year wins them a championship.