Would this be a new Stanton high?!?

[Topnotchsy]

I love how people see Heyward and start thinking that he is the norm. Do people realize just how rare the prices Heyward is getting for his cards is? A gold ref. auto for $1300... that's more than Hanley Ramirez Gold Ref. Auto has ever gotten. Do people realize that then only players whose gold ref.'s have gone for more than that (in 8 years of gold ref. auto's) belonged to David Wright, Tim Lincecum, Ryan Braun and Joe Mauer and Delmon Young after he was the #1 prospect in baseball 2 years running and one guy was buying them all. The prices are historically high and generally only come after years of being a star in the Bigs. The only players close to this type of situation ever were Delmon and Gordon, and that was when the market was in way better shape than now.

Of course the reason I love it is because as long as people see perceived value, they'll keep bumping up prices. Of course that only only last so long before it all collapses...

 

[bballcardkid]

I love how people see Heyward and start thinking that he is the norm. Do people realize just how rare the prices Heyward is getting for his cards is? A gold ref. auto for $1300... that's more than Hanley Ramirez Gold Ref. Auto has ever gotten. Do people realize that then only players whose gold ref.'s have gone for more than that (in 8 years of gold ref. auto's) belonged to David Wright, Tim Lincecum, Ryan Braun and Joe Mauer and Delmon Young after he was the #1 prospect in baseball 2 years running and one guy was buying them all. The prices are historically high and generally only come after years of being a star in the Bigs. The only players close to this type of situation ever were Delmon and Gordon, and that was when the market was in way better shape than now.

Of course the reason I love it is because as long as people see perceived value, they'll keep bumping up prices. Of course that only only last so long before it all collapses...

Throw Justin Upton in the there, as well as Joba. Your forgetting though that last year's MLPOY, Wieters, doesn't have a Chrome card, so last year we missed out on that chance. The year before that, Jay Bruce didn't have a Bowman Chrome Auto, but he did have a Topps Chrome Auto, and even the black refractor Topps Chromes peaked at $500. I don't think it's unreasonable for a Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Auto of the years best prospect, voted #1 by Baseball America of course, to reach $1K on an annual basis. The hype nowadays is way too high for the #1 guy.

Edit: Also think Justin Verlander golds came close to $1K after his no no. I'm sure somebody on here knows where they peaked. I'm also pretty sure Alex Gordon Golds topped $1K. His base were $250 at release and his blue refractors were $400-$450.

 

[Topnotchsy]

I love how people see Heyward and start thinking that he is the norm. Do people realize just how rare the prices Heyward is getting for his cards is? A gold ref. auto for $1300... that's more than Hanley Ramirez Gold Ref. Auto has ever gotten. Do people realize that then only players whose gold ref.'s have gone for more than that (in 8 years of gold ref. auto's) belonged to David Wright, Tim Lincecum, Ryan Braun and Joe Mauer and Delmon Young after he was the #1 prospect in baseball 2 years running and one guy was buying them all. The prices are historically high and generally only come after years of being a star in the Bigs. The only players close to this type of situation ever were Delmon and Gordon, and that was when the market was in way better shape than now.

Of course the reason I love it is because as long as people see perceived value, they'll keep bumping up prices. Of course that only only last so long before it all collapses...

Throw Justin Upton in the there, as well as Joba. Your forgetting though that last year's MLPOY, Wieters, doesn't have a Chrome card, so last year we missed out on that chance. The year before that, Jay Bruce didn't have a Bowman Chrome Auto, but he did have a Topps Chrome Auto, and even the black refractor Topps Chromes peaked at $500. I don't think it's unreasonable for a Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Auto of the years best prospect, voted #1 by Baseball America of course, to reach $1K on an annual basis. The hype nowadays is way too high for the #1 guy.

The market has changed though. Just a few years ago a Pujols Spx Auto was $1100, a Ryan Howard Bowmans Best $800 and Prince Fielder Ultimate Auto $650. You don't see that anymore. Across the board, the economy (and IMO the after effects of people who got burned on players like Gordon and Delmon) has knocked values down a notch across the board.

As for Joba and Upton, did they ever hit $1300 for a raw gold ref? I don't recall them reaching that high.

 

[bballcardkid]

I love how people see Heyward and start thinking that he is the norm. Do people realize just how rare the prices Heyward is getting for his cards is? A gold ref. auto for $1300... that's more than Hanley Ramirez Gold Ref. Auto has ever gotten. Do people realize that then only players whose gold ref.'s have gone for more than that (in 8 years of gold ref. auto's) belonged to David Wright, Tim Lincecum, Ryan Braun and Joe Mauer and Delmon Young after he was the #1 prospect in baseball 2 years running and one guy was buying them all. The prices are historically high and generally only come after years of being a star in the Bigs. The only players close to this type of situation ever were Delmon and Gordon, and that was when the market was in way better shape than now.

Of course the reason I love it is because as long as people see perceived value, they'll keep bumping up prices. Of course that only only last so long before it all collapses...

Throw Justin Upton in the there, as well as Joba. Your forgetting though that last year's MLPOY, Wieters, doesn't have a Chrome card, so last year we missed out on that chance. The year before that, Jay Bruce didn't have a Bowman Chrome Auto, but he did have a Topps Chrome Auto, and even the black refractor Topps Chromes peaked at $500. I don't think it's unreasonable for a Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Auto of the years best prospect, voted #1 by Baseball America of course, to reach $1K on an annual basis. The hype nowadays is way too high for the #1 guy.

The market has changed though. Just a few years ago a Pujols Spx Auto was $1100, a Ryan Howard Bowmans Best $800 and Prince Fielder Ultimate Auto $650. You don't see that anymore. Across the board, the economy (and IMO the after effects of people who got burned on players like Gordon and Delmon) has knocked values down a notch across the board.

As for Joba and Upton, did they ever hit $1300 for a raw gold ref? I don't recall them reaching that high.

I love how people see Heyward and start thinking that he is the norm. Do people realize just how rare the prices Heyward is getting for his cards is? A gold ref. auto for $1300... that's more than Hanley Ramirez Gold Ref. Auto has ever gotten. Do people realize that then only players whose gold ref.'s have gone for more than that (in 8 years of gold ref. auto's) belonged to David Wright, Tim Lincecum, Ryan Braun and Joe Mauer and Delmon Young after he was the #1 prospect in baseball 2 years running and one guy was buying them all. The prices are historically high and generally only come after years of being a star in the Bigs. The only players close to this type of situation ever were Delmon and Gordon, and that was when the market was in way better shape than now.

Of course the reason I love it is because as long as people see perceived value, they'll keep bumping up prices. Of course that only only last so long before it all collapses...

Throw Justin Upton in the there, as well as Joba. Your forgetting though that last year's MLPOY, Wieters, doesn't have a Chrome card, so last year we missed out on that chance. The year before that, Jay Bruce didn't have a Bowman Chrome Auto, but he did have a Topps Chrome Auto, and even the black refractor Topps Chromes peaked at $500. I don't think it's unreasonable for a Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Auto of the years best prospect, voted #1 by Baseball America of course, to reach $1K on an annual basis. The hype nowadays is way too high for the #1 guy.

The market has changed though. Just a few years ago a Pujols Spx Auto was $1100, a Ryan Howard Bowmans Best $800 and Prince Fielder Ultimate Auto $650. You don't see that anymore. Across the board, the economy (and IMO the after effects of people who got burned on players like Gordon and Delmon) has knocked values down a notch across the board.

As for Joba and Upton, did they ever hit $1300 for a raw gold ref? I don't recall them reaching that high.

I'm 100% possitive the Upton touched 4 figures. Joba may have reached that figure graded, or maybe it was an orange, I can't remember.

With Ryan Howard, the guy hit 56 HR in his first full season as a big leaguer. I'm suprised they didn't go higher to be honest. The Pujols values occured during his peak, and let's face it, he's Pujols. He don't count . I think everything is pretty strong right now. It actually looks like this particular niche of the hobby is on an upward trend right now, so maybe these numbers will keep rising.

 

[bdal23]

Well a Stanton base chrome auto sold for $93 tonite. A Contenders sold for $185 the night before. The Hayward effect is trickling down to these guys

 

[Hollywood]

Upton Gold's reached 1400 3 weeks into the season 2 years ago. Remember Upton-Mania. One Verlander gold sold for 1000 after his no hitter, but it was his jersey number. I know, my max bad was 1000. It was sitting at 600 with 3 seconds left and one guy sniped 999.99 costing me 400 bucks. :x By far the most i've paid for a card, but trying to get all Verlander chromes #ed 35/***. I agree about Gordon and Delmon being the only close examples of hype making the sheep stupid. So if Heyward is hitting .250 with 10 homers at the all star break, do you really think prices will stay the same? He's going to have to be hitting .320 with at least 15 homers by the break for prices to mantain. I find it hilarious the people on the boards that are saying he's striking out too much though. He is 20 and has a huge strike zone! Every power hitting prospect under the age of 24-25 is going to strike out a lot. It's going to happen. At least Heyward will walk a lot like Upton to go with the K's.

Back on the Stanton topic. If refractors reach $200 when he's called up, and Kemp ref's are still selling for 80-90 I am selling everything and done with the hobby. He doesn't have 1/10 the hype of Heyward, there is no way they should reach that level right away.

 

[MallCopKJ]

Upton Gold's reached 1400 3 weeks into the season 2 years ago. Remember Upton-Mania. One Verlander gold sold for 1000 after his no hitter, but it was his jersey number. I know, my max bad was 1000. It was sitting at 600 with 3 seconds left and one guy sniped 999.99 costing me 400 bucks. :x By far the most i've paid for a card, but trying to get all Verlander chromes #ed 35/***. I agree about Gordon and Delmon being the only close examples of hype making the sheep stupid. So if Heyward is hitting .250 with 10 homers at the all star break, do you really think prices will stay the same? He's going to have to be hitting .320 with at least 15 homers by the break for prices to mantain. I find it hilarious the people on the boards that are saying he's striking out too much though. He is 20 and has a huge strike zone! Every power hitting prospect under the age of 24-25 is going to strike out a lot. It's going to happen. At least Heyward will walk a lot like Upton to go with the K's.

Back on the Stanton topic. If refractors reach $200 when he's called up, and Kemp ref's are still selling for 80-90 I am selling everything and done with the hobby. He doesn't have 1/10 the hype of Heyward, there is no way they should reach that level right away.

Are you sure? What makes you think that? There are some people who think if both players reached their ceiling, Stantons would be higher. It may be harder for Stanton to reach his, but 39 homeruns in the Minor Leagues at 18 is incredible no matter how many K's he had. This article is a really good read, comparing the 2: http://www.baseball-intellect.com/jason ... e-stanton/

While Heyward looks to be the better player right now, Stanton could still surpass him if his ceiling is reached.